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dmaestro
08-Sep-25, 06:48

Patz
There is no bridging this divide and the right chooses their own “facts”.

Where this is headed is easy to see. The fact is under our undemocratic system the right has the raw power in a majority of the states and will slowly crush dissent. www.msn.com. Nationally they intent to turn the federal govemment into a national enforcement arm. www.dailykos.com Pushing their anti-science medical view www.politico.com s is part of that

Now that their holy grail faith in capitalism and the plutocracy is challenged 46% of the population news.gallup.com as rhe reallrh fhat capitalism leads to greater inequity and plutocracy is more and more evident we can expect open repression, attacks on education, McCarthyist demonization, and official misinformation to surge. Even as they claim they are the defenders of “liberty”’   It’s all scripted and sadly fated.

Good luck.
valley_forge
08-Sep-25, 07:46

"Birds Of A Feather"
DM's post above reflects perfectly the Extreme Leftist's POV regarding the political attacks against RFK, Jr.

Rather than discuss the very real issues with the conflict of interest and false medical science which has built the American Health Department through duplicity between Big Pharma's profit driven agenda instead of meaningful and effective medical practices, he jumps in pointing fingers at the Progressive Socialists political policies designed to undermine the American Republic's robust support for Capitalism!
thumper
08-Sep-25, 09:22

www.youtube.com
More actual 'facts' the progs know but doggedly refuse to admit or acknowledge the truth. They choose instead to publicly rail against it in pursuit of politically dismissing and belittling what they don't like. cough DM cough.

I could go down the list item by item sharing truth but don't care to. You're on your own, good luck with that.
valley_forge
08-Sep-25, 09:29

In response to Thumper's post @ 08-Sep-25, 09:22

Refreshingly amazing, thank you by the way, that YouTube allowed that video.

'Truthful news and opinions' are in such short supply these days, has anyone noticed?
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 10:26

Oh yeah posting another YouTube sound bite from a person who makes his living traveling and posting on social media. Explains absolutely everything.


Thanks Thumper, I think everything is becoming crystal clear now.
thumper
08-Sep-25, 11:05

Apatzer
We can start with this. What did Obama do to receive his Nobel award? Because he's black? DEI? Please share with us what he did for such accolades.

<Nobel awards are political
The Nobel Peace Prize, in particular, has been a subject of political controversy and criticism. Many laureates have been contemporary and highly controversial political actors, and the Prizes have often increased public focus on international or national conflicts. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has faced criticism for its selection process and the way its members are chosen. The award has been seen by local authorities as "interference" in national matters, and there have been strong criticisms against the committee itself.
NobelPrize.org

The award's politicization is evident in several controversial decisions, such as Barack Obama's award in 2009, which was criticized for being premature and for signaling geopolitical approval. Muhammad Yunus's award in 2006 for pioneering microcredit was also controversial due to its perceived role in perpetuating systemic inequalities in Bangladesh.
CNBC

The Nobel Peace Prize has become more about geopolitics than about peace, with awards often used to send geopolitical messages. Awards to figures like Aung San Suu Kyi and Liu Xiaobo signaled support for anti-regime movements, while the joint prize to a Pakistani Muslim and an Indian Hindu in 2014 aimed to bridge regional divides.
CNBC>
valley_forge
08-Sep-25, 11:46

"Trump defends RFK Jr. after Republicans, Democrats hold tense Senate hearing"

youtu.be
(4:50)
valley_forge
08-Sep-25, 11:49

RFK Jr Standing His Ground!
"'How am I a threat?': RFK Jr. explodes at Sen. Warnock over CDC turmoil, vaccines at Senate hearing"

youtu.be
(9:50)
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 12:42

Thumper
I have on more than one occasion talked in this very club about Obama's Nobel prize. And it wasn't flattering to him. If you had payed the slightest bit of attention you would already know that and would have picked a different BS distraction to talk about. If you don't believe me ask Mr Bruce what I said about his BS noble prize.

I'm not wasting any more of my time on people who either don't read or don't comprehend, sorry.



fac ut facis
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 12:44

Thumper BTW
And that video you posted wasn't about the Noble peace prize. It was about how many unarmed black men were killed by police in a year. The answer was 15. But no one said it's 15 too many.

One day the delusion will be lifted, it's already too late. The die is cast.
valley_forge
08-Sep-25, 13:46

Stupid Is As Stupid Does . . .
Data from the Guardian's analysis of police killings in 2015 indicates that a significant number of incidents involving unarmed Black men began with a situation where the individual was not complying with police commands.
The report found that approximately 16% of killings arose from officers attempting to arrest a wanted person, execute a warrant, or apprehend a fugitive, and another 14% followed an attempted traffic or street stop, both scenarios often involving non-compliance.
Furthermore, 160 people were accused of refusing commands to drop a weapon, highlighting that non-compliance was a common factor in these encounters.
While the term "unarmed" indicates the individual did not have a firearm, it does not imply innocence or that the person was not a threat; the context of the situation, including resistance or failure to obey orders, often contributed to the use of lethal force

"‘Unarmed Black Man’ doesn’t mean what you think it means"

www.poynter.org
thumper
08-Sep-25, 14:54

Apatzer
08-Sep-25, 12:42
To your credit I'm well aware of what you've personally said here concerning Obama's gift of a Nobel as well as Obama's comments about receiving it. I'm also aware that my thoughts and thought processes are different than the avg. That's what made me a superior and oft sought out inspector/investigator.  

I'm sorry you can't follow my train of thought about the politics involved with the Nobel selection committee. Obama himself was embarrassed for being given the undeserved 'honor' but most if not all of the lefties weren't/aren't. It's their 'truth'.

My main point here is that such undeserved accolades are part and parcel with the progs' political agenda, program and mindset. Actual 'facts' be damned in the pursuit of advancing their agenda. The list of glaring examples is quite long.
softaire
08-Sep-25, 15:24

"If you don't believe me ask Mr Bruce what I said about his BS noble prize."

Softaire can neither deny or affirm that what Apatzer is now saying that he previous said. Softaire often times has troubles remembering yesterday. He promised his wife that he would retire and stop driving to work when he couldn't remember how to get home after work. Fortunately he was able to retire before that happened, but you can see that if I have trouble remembering what I said yesterday, I can't confirm what Apatzer says he said years ago.


"'Unarmed Black Man’ doesn’t mean what you think it means"

I DO remember discussion about this. The gist of those arguments, by Liberals, were that White Police were basically slaughtering innocent unarmed Black men at night. While this has been shown to occur on occasion, the preponderance of evidence shows quite the opposite:

Most police violence occurs when Black men are questioned for legitimate reasons and refuse to comply with legal, legitimate commands. Many of the famous incidents occurred during the day and "normal" hours. From those beginnings, violence happens, a chase begins, weapons are produced, and police are resisted and assaulted.

It seems to me that when you are stopped, questioned, and told to do something that the police have authority to command, it would be smart to comply with the request civilly. The outcome from doing that is much better than the outcome from resisting, confronting, abusing, and insulting someone who can kick your ass.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 15:49

Softaire
It's okay, Mr. Bruce—I understand. I shouldn’t have brought you into it the Obama conversation. And I shouldn't expect you to remember. You have repeatedly told me about memory not being what it use to be and I am also finding the same thing in myself.

That said, there have been studies on target acquisition and response time, and the findings are telling: even Black police officers, along with other law enforcement personnel, tend to react more quickly with lethal force when a Black male is involved. This isn’t necessarily because of conscious racism but rather due to deep-seated psychological and subconscious biases that cause the brain to register Black men as a greater threat.

Now, that doesn’t mean racism isn’t a factor in some cases. There are indeed racist individuals, bullies, and even psychopaths who find a niche within law enforcement. Historically, organizations like the KKK were heavily involved in infiltrating police forces—a reality that persisted for over a century. While that influence has decreased, it has not disappeared entirely.

At the same time, police officers today are often placed in impossible situations. They’re expected to act as counselors, mental health evaluators, and domestic peacekeepers, all while receiving relatively low pay. Still, accountability within law enforcement must come from within as well, and unfortunately, holding one another to those standards continues to be a major challenge.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 15:52

Thumper
Honest question sir

If you had an extreme emergency and had to travel out of country over a weekend. The only problem is you have absolutely no one to watch your 14 year old grand daughter. Because everyone is out of town. For this thought experiment (for the sake of argument)

You have two choices for a baby sitter over a weekend. Obama or Trump.

Which one would you honestly pick?
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 16:25

I'll ask A.I
Because of my extreme Bias. I'll try to word this genetically.



Question, "if I needed a babysitter for an over the weekend event. For my 14 year old grand daughter. and I only had two candidates to watch her over an entire weekend. and I did a complete and through background check of these two candidates. and the candidates were Barrack Obama or Donald Trump. which candidate would be the wisest choice?"


Answer
Given the choice between Barack Obama and Donald Trump as babysitters for a 14-year-old granddaughter over an entire weekend, considering a thorough background check with the context of character, temperament, and public behaviors:

Barack Obama is widely known for a calm, empathetic, and responsible demeanor. His leadership style reflects inspiration, care, and steady management during challenging situations. Surveys historically showed many people preferred Obama in caring or responsible roles, reflecting a perception of reliability and a respectful approach .

Donald Trump's background includes a more assertive, dominant, and sometimes controversial style. Public perception and some political commentary suggest he has a highly controlling and confrontational personality, with a focus on ambition and power, which might be less suited to the patient, nurturing role a babysitter requires. Some public comments have suggested reservations about trusting him in caregiving roles .

There are recent viral moments showing Trump in informal babysitting roles (e.g., Elon Musk’s young son), but these were noted as unusual and sparked mixed reactions rather than demonstrating sustained caregiving capabilities .

In summary, the wisest choice for a babysitter role for a 14-year-old granddaughter, based on character, temperament, and public trust in nurturing responsibility, would be Barack Obama as the safer and more reliable candidate. This conclusion is based on his historically perceived empathy, steadiness, and responsible demeanor over Trump's more controversial and aggressive leadership style .



What a dumb AI, it didn't even evaluate Trumps sexual assaults or barging into dressing rooms of teen pageant members, and no mention of Epstein.


And It still picked Obama lol wow, just wow
thumper
08-Sep-25, 16:35

Softie
That's about attitude. You get what you give.

I was pulled over last year for not having my seat-belt on and having a cracked windshield. While I was talking with the Officer through my completely rolled down driver side window the Officer directed me to exit the vehicle. I responded that "You smell the alcohol on my breath". Yes, he responded. He asked how much I had been drinking and I admitted that I had taken a couple shots of whiskey about a half hour ago to help manage pain.

He obviously concluded that I was BSing him so gave me a field sobriety test apparently expecting me to fail. I passed. He then gave me a breathalyzer test which I also passed. I blew a .01%. He wasn't an ass, just doing his job. We ended up chatting good naturedly for a while and I got no ticket for the infractions; Just a 'fix it' verbal and a pleasant 'Have a good day Doug'. We were now on a first name basis.  If I had came at him with an aggressive profane and belligerent attitude like some do, things would have turned out very much differently. I simply treated him with the same respect and courtesy I expect from others and got that same respect in return. I actually made a new friend that day.

Note: I got the windshield replaces 2 weeks later but still don't wear my seatbelt.  
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 16:44

Thumper
I completely agree Doug. Show respect and follow instructions and most times you'll have a good outcome. I was pulled over years ago. Leaving a bar after pool league. It was for a tail light out. The officer asked me if I had been drinking. I said yes officer I have. He immediately said, well that's not very smart to tell me that. I immediately chirped out. Would you rather me lie to you officer,? He didn't have much to say after that. And yes I got a ticket to get my tail light fixed. But I didn't have to blow.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 16:45

😉


thumper
08-Sep-25, 17:13

Apatzer
08-Sep-25, 15:52
Neither. Who watches over my grandkids in that situation would be their parent's decision, not mine.

I see you trying to set up and perpetrate a pedophile angle.

I don't know either of them but if it were my decision I would say Trump. He would just hire a babysitting service like 'Super Nanny'. Truth be told my granddaughter could literally kick both their asses if necessary though in a pinch she would only have to give a command to the trained family pet; A very athletic 100# pitbull. 
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 17:21

Thumper
Nope , it only feels like a setup to you. Because you already know the answer and just feel like I'm trying to get you to say it. Which I'm not, because I knew you wouldn't and couldn't. That alone should tell you something.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 17:23

It's all going to come out in the open before all is said and done.
thumper
08-Sep-25, 17:25

Apatzer
How you phrase and present the question, even that you pose it at all tells me something.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 17:45

Thumper
Good! It should. And him being best friends for 15 plus years with the most prolific child sex trafficker. A plethora of sexual assault allegations including an allegation of Child rape. Tells me something as well.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 17:46

Thumper
Giving you the benefit of the doubt. Please, tell me how I should have presented it?

I'll wait
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 17:51

Would you like to know what I really do admire about Trump.?

He makes people take their masks off. And he drags them through the mud with him.

There isn't a bottom to it either.
thumper
08-Sep-25, 18:13

Apatzer
So I was correct. That was the premise of your 'thought experiment' question.

You asked the question the only way you could.

<Would you like to know what I really do admire about Trump.?>
No, not really.

I understand you hate Trump. OK with me, my life is unchanged. I neither like or dislike him. We've never met. As POTUS he has made decisions I agree with and he has made some that I disagree with. I don't get twisted up about it.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 19:13

Thumper
No, you know the answer to my thought experiment. You knew exactly. I could and have asked the question several different ways. The fact is and yes this is a fact. Many people who are in this very club. Would never, ever leave him alone with any woman they loved. No matter the age. And they also wouldn't let him invest their money, or manage their money. You all love him for one reason and one reason only. You think he is punishing the object of your contempt. Like he said many times himself "I am your retribution"

You all don't care about prices, gas , the constitution, the military, as long as you think he is punishing the object of your Contempt. Heck Joe Biden sniffed hair and you all were all over him for it. As was I. And roughly so, Because it was creepy. Trump literally has a ln allegation of Child rape, was best friends with the most prolific pedophile this nation is probably ever seen.

And somehow I shouldn't mention any of that should I oh no.

Oh , I just hate Trump...


Yeah for absolutely no reason because I am so unreasonable.


This is only the beginning.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 19:16

Ego, contempt, revenge, retribution. Gee I wonder what being has that in their tool box of tricks along with deceit, lies and manipulation. Oh, but you guys are the good guys. Lol. You decive yourselves.
apatzer
08-Sep-25, 19:17

I'm finished now thanks
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