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anomalocaris 23-Nov-20, 18:12 |
 Can you not see it already?It's already been in the works anyway. Your searches are controlled to lead you to certain outcomes, your TV is persuaded to make you see one side and opposing views are being deemed too controversial to be allowed on many internet outlets. I can take losing but this is why I didn't want it to happen. Communism is slowly taking over.. I am curious tr5o see what late-night TV wll talk about now. All major networks have been dedicated to the removal of Trump for the last 4 years. How some blindly choose to ignore this is beyond me. I don't agree with liberals but I would be appalled if they couldn't express their views. |
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dmaestro 23-Nov-20, 20:16 |
Why should we ignore this? |
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stalhandske 23-Nov-20, 20:47 |
Anomalocaris That comment is very, very funny. Clearly, you have no idea of what you are talking about. |
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anomalocaris 23-Nov-20, 20:52 |
Stal |
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anomalocaris 23-Nov-20, 20:57 |
Dm I have noticed the search engine results have dramatically changed over the years. You and other liberals would not notice this because you always get the results you want. |
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stalhandske 23-Nov-20, 21:10 |
Anomal I can understand that you find it rude and irritating when someone points out your mistakes. Yet, I surely have the right to do that? Especially since I wasn't rude at all. To ask me not to involve myself in adult conversations, on the other hand, is quite rude. I remind you that you said "Communism is slowly taking over", and I assume you mean "taking over in USA". To deny that this is an absolutely ridiculous statement, perhaps you could at least back it up with some data or evidence? If you do, I promise to discuss such data with you, and even reverse my opinion if shown to be wrong, but I am afraid you won't take that bait (since the statement is absurd and only meant as a cheap political tool) |
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Anomalo.. It has a specific meaning. The two principle markers of Communism are to advocate:- 1. Public ownership (or at least, control) of all means of production. 2. The dictatorship of the Proletariat (i.e., one-party rule on behalf of the Working Class to oversee the transition into Socialist Paradise, when the State will fade away.) I would suggest that Stal was right. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That makes you one of the majority of Americans, so don't feel too bad about that. |
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dmaestro 23-Nov-20, 23:42 |
From the conservative (USA) POV many of them even equate the Democratic Party with communism. |
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"While the group’s impact was notable, it did not come close to the spread of misinformation promoted by President Trump since then. Of the 20 most-engaged Facebook posts over the last week containing the word “election,” all were from Mr. Trump, according to Crowdtangle, a Facebook-owned analytics tool. All of those claims were found to be false or misleading by independent fact checkers." Interesting how Trump fake news has become normalised over the last 4 years. |
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stalhandske 24-Nov-20, 00:24 |
Conservapedia en.wikipedia.org |
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stalhandske 24-Nov-20, 00:28 |
That's right, and as Bob points out, it shows how many Americans are ignorant about history and about a lot of matters outside their own country. And why should they care to find out, they have the best country in the world! |
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stalhandske 24-Nov-20, 00:42 |
Conservapedia I was deeply shocked! I sincerely cannot believe that this would represent the opinion of even a majority of American Conservatives. So, may I ask the American Members of this club to let us know if that description coincides with their opinion? I would specifically like to address this question to thumper, kingseabass, and dominick1952, whom I think very highly of. I already know the answers by iHs, softaire, anomalocaris and pawn, so please don't bother, unless you have suddenly seen the light. |
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Stal 00:42 Again I stand to be corrected here; but I don't believe it represents the majority Conservative view either. No nation could have 25% or more of it's population convinced that 50% of their fellow-countrymen are traitors. Or at least, not 25% of the population believe that and still not have that nation collapse into anarchy within a day. This Conservapedia is so obviously a finely-dressed hate/conspiracy site that no thinking person could possibly take it seriously. Even their own experience should convince them otherwise! Did Obama try to outlaw the Republican Party? Did he arrange a military coup when he had not only the Presidency but also a majority in both Houses of Congress? Not to mention the 'Deep State'! For a party supposedly out to turn America communist, they sure miss a lot of perfect opportunities! Nah; to believe this rubbish, a person would need to deliberately avoid thinking. |
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stalhandske 24-Nov-20, 03:32 |
Bob Exactly! This is why I am so surprised and I don't know what to think! Especially since a great many members of this club appear to have forgotten how! |
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True! Not a very effective deep state, are they? The election was "a scam" the presidency was "stolen", president elect has "dementia", fully half of USA are "communists". Everything is hyperbolic for effect. No, majority of sane thinking people do not class their political counterparts as evil or traitors. |
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The main idea to address here seems to be that the USA (through the Democrat Party) is moving far left towards Marxism and Communism. The entire country has been moving progressively Left since the sixties. It has gotten so bad that Democrats: have been endorsed by the Communist Party, have called for the dismantlement of capitalism in our country, want to defund and dismantle the police, want to bring down the wall and dismantle the border patrol and ICE, want to promote and legitimize sanctuary cities (and states), want to give free education and health care to illegal aliens, Want to pack the courts to give them judicial control over our legislation, want to add states to the union (that will be more Democrat voters), want to make Washington DC a state because it is mostly Democrat, Want to minimize religion in society to the point of becoming nonexistent, selected communications censorship and shutdown of "wrong" ideas, want to destroy most small business and have those unemployed people become dependent on state welfare (think government handouts for covid shutdowns) want the populace to become used to taking draconian orders from government (stay at home orders, lockdowns, number of people allowed to congregate, wear masks, no religious services) These are the basics of Communism which is not only control of all means of production but control of all aspects of life in the society. WE see it here now and it is growing. Anom is exactly right on. |
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Softie Conservapedia is not a reliable source of information! "The Democratic Party is one of the two major political parties in the United States of America. Slavery, segregation, and controlling minorities is and remains a founding principle of the Democratic party" That is arguably the biggest load of manure going. No-one seriously believes that. Regarding your list, too, I wonder if you sat down with a democrat and went through, line by line, you would find your list doesn't describe vast majority of Democrats either. |
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Seriously? Who pedals this obvious nonsense, and why do you give them your time?? |
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Steve You are correct that these measures being implemented by Democrat politicians are NOT what most Democrat people desire or want mandated. Most "regular: Democrats are middle-of-the-road people that accept reasonable impositions... just as most "normal" Republicans people are. ut we have Democrat elite governments who are far eftist, Marxists and who will turn the country into a Marxist, Communist society if allowed to do so. |
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Softie Have you heard any democrats making the case for this? It just doesn't sound likely to me. Nor does the claim that democrats <<want to minimize religion in society to the point of becoming nonexistent>> Seriously, if I told you democrats devour the livers of babies in satanic rituals under pizza shops, would you believe me? |
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Bob 23:14 << You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That makes you one of the majority of Americans, so don't feel too bad about that. >> Anomalocaris' original observations are spot on! << It's already been in the works anyway. Your searches are controlled to lead you to certain outcomes, your TV is persuaded to make you see one side and opposing views are being deemed too controversial to be allowed on many internet outlets. I can take losing but this is why I didn't want it to happen. Communism is slowly taking over. >> That's the majority of Americans are unaware of Communism's take over/ subversion of the American Republic is all by purposeful design and intent. Beginning on our Public Spheres/ Public Schools - especially the universities and colleges - our arts and entertainment, and on through the legislative and judiciary systems, the Communist political ideology infiltrated our whole American society! Under the guise and banner for "tolerance" and "inclusion", all of the traditional American values which were the Foundation of the American Republic were exchanged for more "Progressive Agenda politics". Indoctrinating the rest of the American people through constant and non-stop Liberal commentary on the news and information platforms, no modern day American can even begin to tell, let alone, understand, the reasons for the American Revolution and the importance of the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is now acceptable (If you don't understand why the First Amendment protects Free Speech and Freedom of the Press) to have "FACT CHECKERS" and Silicon Valley Media Social Platforms arbitrarily determine what, who and when dissenting voices can be heard. Exactly what TOTALTARIAN regimes do with the "news and information" in their countries! All the while, positive news about the president's message and accomplishments get buried. The evidence of all which I am here asserting is available for anyone wanting to make sense of your loss of autonomy. |
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Steve But, our elitist establishment, far left liberal Democrat politicians who are pandering to the far left base DO believe in promoting the things I listed. And, they ARE implementing the things I have said they are doing right now. People in Michigan are beinning a drive to impeach Governor Witmer now for mandating unconstitutional rules. They are doing it already in California. Here in CA, Newsome has implemented a curfew, and mandated NO sit down or inside business operations. Public schools are closed down yt his kids go to private, open schools. Many states have restrictions on who you can have in your personal house, how many, and some states wearing masks in your own house. These mandates are clearly unconstitutional and are simply an exercise to get ys used to following a State of Marshall Law situation. They are NOT interested in "safety" of the people. They are NOT following the science. The science tells us that schools are the safest place for kids to be, for many reasons. It is simply about control. It is being mandated by Democrat politicians. They are mandating unreasonable control. They are cebsoring speech they don't like. They are acting like Communists. They have said they will implement measure that are very much like communist nations. |
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Steve 08:31 Of Course, It "Don't Make Sense" - If You Don't Keep Up With The News "The Democrats' Misguided War on Faith" Oct 26, 2019 Though the evidence is mounting that the strategy is ineffective and unpopular, the Democratic Party seems generally committed to making it clear that people of faith are not welcome in their vision of America. Several items in recent years are worth recalling. First, in 2012, the party removed the word “God” from its platform. The Obama administration spent years controversially embroiled in ham-handed attempts to force religious groups to conform to the party’s secular agenda on birth control and abortion, losing court case after court case on religious freedom grounds. In the 2016 general election, WikiLeaks revealed the glib manner in which John Podesta and others in the Clinton campaign sought to reshape the Catholic Church for their political purposes, which shocked many voters. They hoped to move Catholic teaching away from its longstanding doctrine to provide an advantage for the Democrats politically. It seems that things haven’t changed much. Two presidential candidates expected to be in the top tier have recently and outspokenly attacked people of faith – and neither has gained the traction expected. Sen. Kamala Harris should have been a contender for the Democratic nomination, but she has consistently polled in the single digits. Just prior to her candidacy, Harris suffered a self-inflicted wound. Her ill-fated attack on a judicial nominee for his membership in the Knights of Columbus, a mainstream Catholic charitable group, created a national firestorm that has undermined her candidacy. Beto O’Rourke, who came within an eyelash of defeating Ted Cruz for a Senate seat in deep-red Texas, has also failed to get any traction. His desire to eliminate tax exemptions for church groups that don’t toe the party line on social issues shows a totalitarian impulse that will not help his candidacy or the Democratic Party more broadly. A candidate expected to be in the second or third tier, Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, is the one candidate in the entire Democratic primary who has pushed back against her party’s blind hostility to people of faith and its complete embrace of the abortion-up-until-birth lobby. As a result, she – not the candidate who honeymooned in the Soviet Union – has fallen victim to the specter of Saul Alinsky’s pen pal Hillary Clinton calling her a “Russian agent.” Though poll after poll shows that neither abortion up until birth nor assaults on American’s First Amendment religious freedom rights are popular, the Democrats seem unwilling to learn. Now these bad ideas have taken on a local flavor. In California earlier this year, Democrats at the state level tried to pass legislation to force priests to break the seal of confession – something utterly sacrosanct to Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Not surprisingly, a backlash from these groups and those of many other faiths ensued. Similar legislation is now being proposed in Wisconsin. All three sponsors of the bill are all Democrats. It’s not just the sacrament of confession that is being targeted either. In Colorado, a Democrat-controlled bicameral taxation committee is looking into legislation that would subject churches to a “sin tax” on altar wine – something that would affect Catholics and others. They are also looking into placing a premium tax on fraternal insurance companies – mainly religiously affiliated groups like the Baptist Life Association, the Knights of Columbus (Catholic), the Thrivent (Christian, predominately Lutheran). Leading the committee is Rep. Adrienne Benavidez – who in 2017 voted against a bill guaranteeing religious freedom rights for Coloradans. www.realclearpolitics.com! "DEMOCRAT PARTY PASSES RESOLUTION AGAINST CHRISTIANITY" Sept 19, 2019 The Democrat National Committee has taken its stand, and it's against orthodox Christianity. It passed a resolution on August 17, 2019 calling for the Party to be more inclusive toward non-believers. On its own that’s not remarkable. But the document (1) also strongly denounces Christian belief and action. (1). secular.org The key paragraph: Those most loudly claiming that morals, values, and patriotism must be defined by their particular religious views have used those religious views, with misplaced claims of “religious liberty,” to justify public policy that has threatened the civil rights and liberties of many Americans, including but not limited to the LGBT community, women, and ethnic and religious/nonreligious minorities … The party’s hostility toward Christian beliefs and values was clear enough before. Putting it on paper this way, however, raises the message to another level. Trying to Put Christianity on the Defensive The Democrats want to see Christians on the defense. And they’re good at putting us there. They have special skill with scare words. Even the simple word “particular” makes us look small, small-minded, and off in an intellectual corner somewhere. Of course none of that is true. They put “religious liberty” in scare quotes, as if the concept of it weren’t in all America’s founding conversations, and in the first paragraph of the Bill of Rights. They speak, too, of “civil rights,” “liberties,” and “minorities.” America has sacralized these words, hardly ever stopping to ask when they apply, and when they’re nice-sounding words that don’t belong where they’re being used. The Worldview Divide Behind This And there’s no simple response to this. That’s not because the answer is unclear, but because so much needs explaining to get it across. We live in different worlds, as it were. When a party takes aim at the Western world’s moral foundation, it’s no longer making mere political statements. This is a worldview statement. In the Democrats’ world, “civil rights” are no longer endowed by our creator. They’re human products, human inventions. Gay marriage is example number one: It became a right when five Supreme Court justices said it was. sovereignnations.com [Steve, maybe you are unaware of this because the same thing has been occurring in Europe and especially There in the UK for quite a while now] |
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dmaestro 24-Nov-20, 10:51 |
www.google.com Trump himself claimed the Democratic Party platform is “probably communist”. McCarthyism is alive and well in the USA. conservapedia.com |
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dmaestro 24-Nov-20, 11:07 |
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dmaestro 24-Nov-20, 11:32 |
America is grappling with the damage from a highly polarized politics, polarized media and extremist misinformation. Any solution will have its consequences. |
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The Key Paragraph I'm not sure how that supports the notion of democrats wanting to minimize religion in society to the point of becoming nonexistent. All it says is keep church out of public policy making, which I understand is absolutely constitutional, and has majority (3-1) public support. Whoever touts that this is a "war on faith", is, quite frankly, lying. |
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Steve It cost the state about $15,000 for him to have a good time and entertain his friends while thumbing his nose at us. The elites like Newsome, Pelsosi, Feinstein don't follow any mandates. They simply issue them. thepoliticalinsider.com |
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Softie For some reason, you guys here ascribe an "agenda" to the lefties here. We all have an agenda, apparently. Perhaps, but no more than you do! For some reason we're all communists (though we protest we are not!) and we're all anti-Christian (still no!) So where are all these communist and anti-christian liberals? Where is their manifesto? Where are they on record as saying the things you seem to believe we do? That's what I'm struggling with. It's a massive old game of "he said she said", with many accusations levelled but no actual source material. We are individuals, too! We don't have one "liberal-hive-mind", though that is often ascribed to us. Have you ever paused to think how insulting that accusation actually is? Or how incorrect? Regarding your article, I'm 100% on your side about naming and shaming deceit, corruption and hypocrisy, where it occurs. I just have trouble getting my brain round the idea that a people happily ascribe "evil" and "traitor" to an opposite political affiliation, based on what someone else told them. Yes, there are corrupt politicians, but corruption has no political side; it does not come in colours. |
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