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 Rand Paul Explodes On Fauci!Furthermore, Covid is not being spread in groups of people who already have been exposed to Covid. Fauci has NO REASONABLE ANSWERS TO Rand Paul's questions! youtu.be |
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dmaestro 18-Mar-21, 13:49 |
www.yahoo.com Rand Paul is not an immunologist and his bias shows. |
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dmaestro 18-Mar-21, 19:52 |
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Can DM Explain South Dakota's Or Florida's Great And their continued success as Paul Rand was suggesting to Fauci? |
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stalhandske 19-Mar-21, 22:12 |
Thumper That's a most surprising 'observation'. It must be an example of extreme political bias, otherwise I fail ti understand. I watched the entire 'hearing' (or whatever it is called). Rand Paul behaved extremely rudely against Dr. Fauci, to whom he hardly gave any time to fully respond before interrupting him. I am indeed extremely surprised that this very rude misbehaviour eluded you. As to Paul's question, which is quite appropriate as such, even though it was presented in a very rude tone with accusations of 'theater' etc., Dr. Fauci tried hard to give a clear answer. However, due to the rude interruptions I am not sure if the audience understood Fauci's answer. I know the answer so if anyone here is interested, I will explain it. But I don't expect any interest, because the majority here seem - like Rand Paul - only to want a political fight against what they think is 'the left' but which actually is 'the facts'. It is precisely this type of attitude (starting from Trump) that was the cause to the catastrophic spread of covid-19 in USA! |
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stalhandske 19-Mar-21, 22:24 |
iHs Success on dealing with the Chinese Communists Party's COVID W/O Lockdowns and face wrappings, 'er, masks?> A disgusting way of naming the pandemic. I have also commented earlier on your belief that South Dakota has done 'so well', which is onlytrue when comparing with some other states in the US. Now, for the case of Florida, the number of deaths due to covid-19 is currently TEN-fold that in my country (per capita). |
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Posted in wrong thread? Rand Paul was simply pointing out the inconsistencies and the foolishness of recommending masks even after being vaccinated. We have NEVER done that before. |
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stalhandske 19-Mar-21, 22:49 |
Softaire Sorry, but I have to say that that comment is simply...stupid. The key is that it totally lacks reference to the context in which these various statements were made, and how they were worded at the time. Recommending mask use (under current circumstances in March 2021) after being vaccinated is not foolish.....except among fools! |
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Stalh Has mankind ever found a vaccination for an illness, inoculated the public, and THEN mandated the public to wear masks in order to prevent the illness? I'll wait for your answer. |
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stalhandske 20-Mar-21, 09:21 |
Softaire I think the straight answer is 'No'. Bruce, I sense that you might just be preparing for demeaning and ridiculing statements and that you don't really want the proper answer? In the hope that you may not be, I will reply. As I said, the straight answer to your question - in the way it was put - is No. But the question lacks essential information about what we are talking about. And this was what Dr. Fauci tried to bring forward when he was brutally interrupted several times. Even though the corona is not caused by an influenza virus, it shows some analogous behaviour especially with respect to frequent mutations. Most mutations (causing variants) have no practical (medical) effect but some change the properties and behaviour of the virus. There are currently at least three such variants, the British, the Brazilian, and the South African. You can be sure that there will be more as time passes. There is currently too little solid information to be absolutely certain about how these three variants differ from what we may call 'wild type', which is the original form of the virus transmitted from Wuhan. However, what is known already is that some of these mutant forms spread more easily than the 'wild type'. In addition, at least the S. African variant has been shown to spread and infect independently of vaccination (which is against 'wild type'), or prior infection by wild type. We also know that all three variants have spread already at least to Europe (which I now about), and I would be rather sure they have spread to the US as well. So, to make a somewhat complicated issue more simple, the situation is somewhat similar to the situation with the 'yearly influenzas' where we have needed new vaccines each year. Due to this situation, it would be wise for people to protect themselves (and their surroundings) by still wearing masks and keep physical distancing despite having been vaccinated or having had the infection. Is this really too much asked? |
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dmaestro 20-Mar-21, 09:38 |
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stalhandske 20-Mar-21, 09:39 |
Softaire I'll wait for your reponse. |
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stalhandske 21-Mar-21, 21:36 |
Softaire I did answer (see above). I would much appreciate a response. |
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Stalh And, I asked you a very decent straight-forward question about why we should be wearing masks, especially double masks, now that we have a vaccine. And you rely with: that you have a "sense" that I am preparing for demeaning and ridiculing statements....". In you medical profession do you make a lot of determinations based on your "sense"? The rest of your reply was actually fairly good... there are variants. This might be an acceptable answer had masks proven successful in the past. But as we have seen they haven't yet stopped any surge or spike of the virous... so why would they work any better on different variants? I "sense" that you will come up with several excuses why they didn't work. The fact is they don't work to stop surges or spikes. What mandated mask usage do cause, along with shutdowns and lockdowns, is massive misery, unemployment, loss of businesses, increased alcoholism, drug use, physical abuse, rape, and suicides among children. |
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stalhandske 21-Mar-21, 22:50 |
Softaire Ohh, thanks for the compliment. All I did was reminding you as the post seemed to become more and more 'drowned' below new material, which often enough leads to forgetting it altogether. Also, how was I more demanding and impatient than you were in saying that you'll wait for my answer? Now, to your message: You were the one using demeaning and belittling language in the first place, just like Senator Paul. So my 'sense' was just based on immediately preceding examples, and it has obviously nothing to do with my profession - to which you refer here in another demeaning fashion. I really don't think I deserve such talk from you. <This might be an acceptable answer had masks proven successful in the past.> I really don't know how to answer this without using unacceptable language. Bruce, you are totally mistaken about this issue! Masks are extremely useful in preventing the spread of the pandemic! <But as we have seen they haven't yet stopped any surge or spike of the virous... so why would they work any better on different variants?> Jesus C Christ, if you compare places adhering to mask use to places with opposition to it, you can easily see the difference! Mask use obviously does not stop surges or spikes of the virus, especially when they aren't consistently used. But even when they are, the effect is not 100%, but of the order of (rough estimate) 70% or so. Combined with physical distancing we can 'add' another 70%, so (70% of the remaining 30% being 21%) the combined 'cover' might now be 91%. <The fact is they don't work to stop surges or spikes. > You keep repeating this mantra, as if masks were something magical. Masks reduce the spread of pandemics very significantly when they are used consistently in the society! To expect them to stop 'surges or spikes' when only YOU use a mask is .....well, not very intelligent. <What mandated mask usage do cause, along with shutdowns and lockdowns, is massive misery, unemployment, loss of businesses, increased alcoholism, drug use, physical abuse, rape, and suicides among children.> We discuss masks now, not lockdown etc - right? So, please don't widen the issue! Masks are VERY efficient against the spread of pandemics and don't to my knowledge cause unemployment, loss of businesses, increased alcoholism, drug use, physical abuse, rape, or suicides among children. We can discuss lockdowns etc separately, but please don't confuse things! Again, this 'arrogant ass' would appreciate a response. I thought name calling was not allowed in GK, but there may be exceptions. |
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thumper 21-Mar-21, 22:56 |
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dmaestro 21-Mar-21, 23:50 |
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dmaestro 22-Mar-21, 10:06 |
Trump admits he deliberately didn’t follow what Fauci recommended; with predicable results. |
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dmaestro 22-Mar-21, 11:26 |
Thumoer In the end there will be studies of what went wrong and it will show Trump chose to dismiss experts and the plan he inherited. Until then your sources being different than mine we can’t settle this. But as Stahl is the expert here I’d take what he says seriously over quack, fringe MDs. |
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stalhandske 22-Mar-21, 20:50 |
Thumper Not very many times at all. Yet, a difficult problem is not always solved quickly, even by experts, and some confusion may arise from that. However, the good thing with science is that it corrects itself and doesn't dwell in old interpretations when they turn out to be wrong. This is where it differs from political and other fanatics. |
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Stål It must be nice to have no responsibility for being wrong over and over. A perk of the job? |
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Some businesses are needed in order to sell food and supplies to the people. Some businesses are needed to transport the food to the stores. Some businesses are needed to maintain the infrastructure that allow food to be transported to the stores, and maintain the stores. Some businesses are needed in order to allow the commerce between those functioning businesses to invoice their clients and pay their bills. And, of course we need government to regulate all that while we are sequestered in our homes. It was good that we had government around to pick the winners and losers... those who were deemed critical and those who were not. So, we never had a complete lockdown where masks would have made a difference. We had a partial shutdown but most business went on as per usual. Masks were not going to work in that environment. And, it's obvious they did not. So, in this partial shutdown environment we are told we will get back to normal after the vaccine is out. Except that now that the vaccine is out, we are told that we must continue wearing the masks... possible for another three years. Never before have we needed masks after a vaccine was developed. But, now we do? |
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stalhandske 22-Mar-21, 23:06 |
Thumper and Softaire <So an 'expert' can get it wrong again and again and you give them a pass, because it's complicated and you believe they'll eventually 'get it right'. When someone puts the ponderous wheels of a massive state in motion based on their wrong advice you claim they are the one responsible responsible for 'getting it wrong'? I guess that only applies if the person has a differing political/philosophical belief. It must be nice to have no responsibility for being wrong over and over. A perk of the job?> It is clear that your statement is the one inflamed by 'political belief'. You discharge all reasonable arguments about the early situation (January 2020) of the forthcoming pandemic. You are simply wrong! As seen in many countries (other than the USA), the initial confusion was quickly straightened, and the right measures were taken to minimise spread. USA was one of the countries incapable of this (in most places), because the leadership (Trump) made the issue immediately into a political one, in order to get a political favour. You (and many with you) fell completely into that trap, and you are not still today even out of it. I can sympathise with you in falling in that trap, but not to see it now is ...crazy! Softaire: <Well, masks might work if we quarantine all the people and close down all the businesses. Unfortunately the government makes that impossible because some businesses are deemed necessary and critical and remained functioning as per usual. Actually, it was most businesses from most industries that kept on as per usual.> That's actually not true at all, and I am surprised that you still haven't got the message! <So, we never had a complete lockdown where masks would have made a difference. We had a partial shutdown but most business went on as per usual. Masks were not going to work in that environment. And, it's obvious they did not. > I am wondering about your intelligence here. Lockdown and masks are entirely different measures! Mask use ALWAYS works - if they are used. If they are not used, they don't! <So, in this partial shutdown environment we are told we will get back to normal after the vaccine is out. Except that now that the vaccine is out, we are told that we must continue wearing the masks... possible for another three years. Never before have we needed masks after a vaccine was developed. But, now we do?> JCC, I really don't know if I should bother further. I have clearly said why it is worth the while to continue wearing masks (after vaccinations) especially in crowded situations. I would never wear a mask at home, nor when out taking a walk in a situation with few people. Do you know what 'common sense' means? |
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dmaestro 23-Mar-21, 10:48 |
Anyone who has been to crowded Asia sees how that culture realizes the value of masks in stopping the spread of diseases. It’s normal there. Americans still live in the Wild West culturally. Wearing masks etc virtually stopped flu deaths www.webmd.com this year since flu is still there. Those who wore masks even century ago did better. Common sense applies. Personally I’ve adjusted to my “face diaper” and not getting the usual cold so I will keep my masks for every sick season. |
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dmaestro 23-Mar-21, 11:20 |
America, land of the free. Let “freedom” ring! |
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It is very similar to our Congress being a bunch of brat kids doing/passing what they want to pass legislatively. They just passed another massive spending bill, along strictly party lines, with NO legislative discussions or debate. There were NO discussions of the pros and cons, no input from the other sides, and NO idea on how to pay for it. There is talk that the juveniles in Congress are going to pass another massive bill along the same lines, with no input from the opposition, NO discussion of the pros and cons, and a promise to change the rules if there is opposition to their plans. The kids in Miami have had good role models from the juveniles in Congress. |
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