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ace-of-aces
23-Oct-21, 06:43

Sneaky Joe Biden transporting illegals across USA.
youtu.be
Watch the above FOX news video. You may not find this kind of information in fake news media such as CNN and MSNBC who are stooges of Democrats. The y will not report anything bad about that party.

Recently, there is a surge of migrants invading our southern border because of Biden's open door policy. Practically, everybody from around the world can come into USA illegally, if they can cross the southern border. It is very unsightly to see thousands of migrants packed into a small area without sanitation and adequate care at border areas. The solution is simple. Transport them at the middle of night secretly across the nations by planes and buses in the middle of the night. Make no mistakes. They cannot hide their secrets anymore. NY Post reported about the migrants who were caught being transported ( supposed to be secretly ) across the nation. They landed in Westchester, NY and Jacksonville, FL.

Now the local US citizens will be responsible to take care of the migrants. It does not matter whether you like to receive them or not since you have no choice. If you criticize the sneaky joe Biden and his Democrats about this problem, you will be branded a racist and inhumane to migrants who need tender loving care of Americans. Therefore, be prepared to accept the illegals with open arms.
stalhandske
23-Oct-21, 08:49

'Biden's immigration policy'
It seems to me that this is yet another political hoax.
The laws of immigration haven't changed to my understanding, the officials and border guards are not swapped. The immigration practise is handled by the same people as before and by the same rules.

Can anyone who nows tell us straight-faced in what way President Biden would have caused an increase in illegal immigration from - say - Trump's time? What exactly is meant by 'Biden's open door policy'.
pawntificator
23-Oct-21, 10:27

Deleted by pawntificator on 02-Dec-21, 04:03.
softaire
23-Oct-21, 11:25

Stalh
Your last post is just one of many ignorant posts regarding immigration here in the USA.
You could only be so woefully ignorant if you did it on purpose.

Do you realize or accept that Biden canceled everything that Trump had done regarding immigration, most of it on day one?

Do you realize/remember that during the campaign he promised to NOT deport any illegal alien for some period of time... 100 days or maybe 6 months.

He cancelled the wall (after we have paid for all the materials) and we are paying contractors $5 MILLION per day NOT to build it.

He ended the "remain in Mexico" policy.
He allows illegal's to enter with Covid 19 but fires employees who resist getting the vaccine.

Do you realize that we are now allowing, each month, well over 200,000 mostly indigent, uneducated, jobless & penniless, sick people into the country who will almost all need government assistance to survive.

Do you realize that many of these new immigrants are members of gangs, members of cartels, criminals and possibly terrorists. They are coming from all around the world.

I'd say these are just some of the differences.
Do you see ANY of this as a problem for the USA?

stalhandske
23-Oct-21, 20:31

Softaire
<Your last post is just one of many ignorant posts regarding immigration here in the USA.
You could only be so woefully ignorant if you did it on purpose. >

This statement is completely unfair and typical of political bias. If you'r read my post again, you'd realise that I was asking some crucial questions, for the simple reason that at least I have difficulties understanding the criticism AGAINST BIDEN, with regard to illegal immigration. I do understand the criticism against the phenomenon itself.

<Do you realize or accept that Biden canceled everything that Trump had done regarding immigration, most of it on day one? >

Right. And what preciesly is this 'everything'?

<Do you realize/remember that during the campaign he promised to NOT deport any illegal alien for some period of time... 100 days or maybe 6 months.>

Context, context!

<He allows illegal's to enter with Covid 19 but fires employees who resist getting the vaccine.>

Really! This is what I don't understand. HOW does Biden ALLOW illegals to enter (with or without covid)? Firing idiots who resist vaccination is a completely different issue, so please don't mix up the concepts here!

<Do you realize that we are now allowing, each month, well over 200,000 mostly indigent, uneducated, jobless & penniless, sick people into the country who will almost all need government assistance to survive. >

This is what you have been preaching almost from day one. But you avoid my question! How can he ALLOW this if and when no laws have changed, and the guards and administrators are the same?

<Do you realize that many of these new immigrants are members of gangs, members of cartels, criminals and possibly terrorists. They are coming from all around the world.>

What has this to do with my question, or has the composition of illegal immigrants changed when the resident of the White House changed?

<Do you see ANY of this as a problem for the USA?>

If what you ask is whether I see illegal immigration across the southern border as a problem for the USA, my emphatic answer is definitely YES!! But you seem to be so involved with your political aversion against Biden (and one of the two parties) that you don't understand my question.


ace-of-aces
24-Oct-21, 20:04

Joe Biden's new immigration allows migrants to stay in USA
While their asylum seeking papers are processed. If so, why should they stay in Mexico ? USA will provide all of the social welfare including food, shelter, health care, free education for migrant's children, etc. I think the following article and youtube video will answer some of stal's question.
youtu.be
www.msn.com
Tired of waiting for asylum in southern Mexico, thousands of migrants march north

Yaneli Castillo fled Honduras with her two young children after gang members killed her husband in front of their house and threatened that she would be next.

Migrants from Central America walk on Oct. 24 on a highway in a caravan heading to the Mexican capital to apply for asylum and refugee status, in Tapachula municipality, in Chiapas state, Mexico. (REUTERS/Jacob Garcia)© Jacob Garcia/Reuters Migrants from Central America walk on Oct. 24 on a highway in a caravan heading to the Mexican capital to apply for asylum and refugee status, in Tapachula municipality, in Chiapas state, Mexico. (REUTERS/Jacob Garcia)
The 29-year-old arrived in southern Mexico four months ago and filed an asylum claim. She was still waiting for her application to be processed when new threats arrived — text messages from gang members who said they knew where to find her, she said.

“I was trying to do the right thing, and waited and waited with all my papers, and they never helped me,” she said. “So I decided to join the caravan out of fear.”

Castillo is one of several thousand migrants who, desperate for work and fleeing poverty and violence, decided to march out of the border city of Tapachula on Saturday. Mexico’s National Guard forces tried to stop them, but the contingent pushed through. They continued their trek Sunday, hoping to eventually reach Mexico City.

The caravan is made up of Central American migrants, as well as some Haitians, many of whom say they have been stuck in legal limbo, waiting for asylum applications to be processed for as long as a year. Under Mexican law, migrants who file a claim in Tapachula must stay there until their claims are processed.

“I just want to be somewhere where I can work and my kids can be safe,” Castillo said. “Whether it is Mexico or the United States, I don’t care.”

The bottleneck in Tapachula — the main point of entry into southern Mexico by land — reflects the country’s struggle to manage the number of migrants arriving in recent months. As of September, authorities had received over 90,000 asylum claims this year, according to official data, roughly 70 percent of which are processed in Tapachula, where the country’s largest immigration detention center is located.

The massive number of applications has overwhelmed an already flawed and underfunded immigration system, especially the agency responsible for processing asylum claims, human rights groups and advocacy groups say. Rather than a caravan, one activist said the swell of migrants pushing north is more akin to a demonstration.

“This is a march for dignity and justice for migrants,” said Luis García Villagrán, a human rights activist from Mexico who joined the march. “The only thing we are asking for is for migrants to be allowed to stay in this country in a legal and organized way.”

Villagran estimated that there are about 4,000 migrants headed toward Mexico’s capital, where many hope their asylum claims will be expedited. That number pales in comparison with the large migrant caravans through Mexico in 2018 and 2019.

“It was only a matter of time for this caravan to happen,” said Raymundo Tamayo, Mexico director for the International Rescue Committee humanitarian aid group. “It is the result of an asylum system in crisis.”

To deal with the massive volume of asylum applications in Tapachula, the Mexican government has turned an Olympic stadium into a temporary processing center, with waiting lines of up to 7,000 people a day.

“Tapachula has become a prison city for migrants,” Villagran said, moments before the contingent encountered another security blockade north of the city on Sunday.

Jose Pineda, from El Salvador, joined the caravan to try to reach Mexicali, a city situated just across the U.S. border, where he once worked. But as he tried to travel north Sunday, immigration officers detained him and dropped him in Tapachula, he said.

“I don’t know what to do or how to survive here any longer,” Pineda said, in tears. “I don’t understand why do they not allow me to leave.”

The trek comes as President Biden faces mounting pressure over immigration. U.S. authorities detained more than 1.7 million undocumented immigrants along the Mexico border during the 2021 fiscal year that ended in September, and arrests by the Border Patrol reached the highest levels ever recorded, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data obtained by The Washington Post.

Conservative critics blame the recent surge on Biden’s decision to overturn some Trump-era policies, including the Migrant Protection Protocols, a program that sends all asylum seekers back to Mexico to wait for their claims to be processed. The White House recently announced plans to reimplement the border policy, also known as “Remain in Mexico,” in mid-November, if the Mexican government agrees to accept asylum seekers, which could further strain its immigration system.

Migrant advocacy groups, meanwhile, have lambasted the Biden administration for continuing to use Title 42, an emergency health provision first used by the Trump administration to rapidly expel migrants.

Activists and human rights groups are warning that Mexico is resorting to arbitrary detentions, deportations and other questionable tactics as it grapples with the rising number of migrants arriving at its border.

“Mexico is no longer just a transit country, but a destination as well, a nation where people have the right to claim asylum, which implies a responsibility from the government to be able to offer that,” Tamayo said. “Unfortunately, the system in place is not equipped to respond to the magnitude of the crisis.”

By Sunday afternoon, migrants trying to reach Mexico City were exhausted and hungry after walking only a few miles under the scorching sun and stopped at a nearby town to rest.

“There is no food for all of us,” Villagran said. “We will need to prioritize women and children, but we need help.”
stalhandske
24-Oct-21, 20:45

Ace
<I think the following article and youtube video will answer some of stal's question. >

Why don't YOU answer my questions. Honestly and straight forward?
stalhandske
25-Oct-21, 21:04

Softaire
I know your dislike of me asking you for a reply, but I don't want to rush you; I just very much wish to have a reasonable discussion.
ace-of-aces
26-Oct-21, 07:31

What's wrong with building fence or wall around a nation and a home ?
www.msn.com
Joe Biden built half a million dollar fence around his beach house in Delaware but he cancelled Trump's wall at the southern border. We need a barrier to prevent invasion from unwelcomed guests or forces and from criminal to escape depending on the situation.

White House is fenced. It does not matter whoever is the US president, there will always be enemies who want to assassinate the POTUS. In the last days of Trump's presidency, BLM protesters besieged the WH to harm or kill him. Trump asked DC national guard to protect the WH but DC mayor cancelled it. Fortunately, additional fence around the WH protected security forces and Trump.

I have a good neighborhood. They are decent and law abiding people. I need a fence only for my two dogs to prevent them roaming around and causing a lot of nuisance to the neighborhood. Fence or wall is not 100 % effective but combined with other security measures, we can prevent our nation from hordes of illegal invasion.
softaire
26-Oct-21, 07:46

Stalh
I would also very much like to have a reasonable conversation with you. Unfortunately it is not possible, at least concerning illegal immigration.

When you say that my comments are political bias, and you dismiss my statements with "Context, Context", When you refuse to see (when I point it out) how Biden is not following the law regarding immigration and circumventing it via executive order, or when you say that you are a foreigner and don't see all the news here, then I become very frustrated and decide we can't have a reasonable conversation about that.

Have one with DM or LS or Zorro. You'll understand and believe them better.
softaire
26-Oct-21, 07:51

Ace
You an only prevent the nation from hordes of illegal immigration if the people in charge want to do that.

If they want illegal immigration they will not complete the walls, they will cancel the "stay in Mexico while you apply for asylum" program, they will restrict the border patrol from doing their job, they will allow illegal aliens entry into the US and then transport them all around the country, they will not deport criminal illegal aliens and promote sanctuary cities and states.

It is simple... Biden and Democrats want illegal aliens.
stalhandske
26-Oct-21, 20:55

Softaire
<When you refuse to see (when I point it out) how Biden is not following the law regarding immigration and circumventing it via executive order, or when you say that you are a foreigner and don't see all the news here, then I become very frustrated and decide we can't have a reasonable conversation about that. >

I apologise profusely (and sincerely), but I have not 'seen' ANY example of how President Biden would not follow the law or circumventing it via executive order!!

Please, SHOW ME where he has done just that!
...and I will be quiet.
softaire
27-Oct-21, 07:30

Stalh
I have previously documented things related to that several times.
More importantly, I have documented many times how illegal immigration is bad for the country.
You can search on it over the Internet just as well as I can, so if you are interested....

If you want to discuss it, tell me how you think it is beneficial to the USA.
Or, tell me how you think it detrimental.


stalhandske
27-Oct-21, 07:34

softaire
<I have previously documented things related to that several times.>

No, you have not! Sorry, mate, but you have NOT answered my questions on this at all!

<More importantly, I have documented many times how illegal immigration is bad for the country.
You can search on it over the Internet just as well as I can, so if you are interested....>

I have no difficulty with that at all. I fully agree with you!

<If you want to discuss it, tell me how you think it is beneficial to the USA.
Or, tell me how you think it detrimental.>

I don't need to tell you that it is detrimental, as we agree on this point.
pawntificator
27-Oct-21, 23:45

media.patriots.win
ace-of-aces
28-Oct-21, 08:14

softy versus stal
I believe softy has already explained it all bout the migrant crisis IMHO. We can have some different opinions about the same issues. For example, gun violence and control, abortion etc. We have to live with it peacefully. I will try to explain Stal's questions from point of view. I listed stal's questions below in numbers.

1. <Do you realize or accept that Biden canceled everything that Trump had done regarding immigration, most of it on day one? >

Right. And what preciesly is this 'everything'?

2. <Do you realize/remember that during the campaign he promised to NOT deport any illegal alien for some period of time... 100 days or maybe 6 months.>

Context, context!

3. <He allows illegal's to enter with Covid 19 but fires employees who resist getting the vaccine.>

Really! This is what I don't understand. HOW does Biden ALLOW illegals to enter (with or without covid)? Firing idiots who resist vaccination is a completely different issue, so please don't mix up the concepts here!

4. <Do you realize that we are now allowing, each month, well over 200,000 mostly indigent, uneducated, jobless & penniless, sick people into the country who will almost all need government assistance to survive. >

This is what you have been preaching almost from day one. But you avoid my question! How can he ALLOW this if and when no laws have changed, and the guards and administrators are the same?

5. <Do you realize that many of these new immigrants are members of gangs, members of cartels, criminals and possibly terrorists. They are coming from all around the world.>

What has this to do with my question, or has the composition of illegal immigrants changed when the resident of the White House changed?

6. <Do you see ANY of this as a problem for the USA?>

If what you ask is whether I see illegal immigration across the southern border as a problem for the USA, my emphatic answer is definitely YES!! But you seem to be so involved with your political aversion against Biden (and one of the two parties) that you don't understand my question.
stalhandske
28-Oct-21, 10:17

Softaire and Ace
Ace's response above is 100% unhelpful - again. No better than softaire, who is hiding.

My basic questions (and I won't repeat them) seem to be ignored. I can only judge or assume from this that you cannot answer them!
thumper
28-Oct-21, 11:25

Softie
You've already explained and thoroughly documented your points numerous times over numerous threads. Everyone understands what you've said. For someone to constantly demand, 'explain it to me' over and over is simply a passive-aggressive arguing tactic designed to put you on the defensive by constantly trying to 'explain it' to them. This tells me they have no real interest in the explanation, only arguing and counterattacking. To them it's not a conversation but a battle to be won.
softaire
28-Oct-21, 12:02

I have to, unfortunately, agree with that. NOBODY can be so naïve as to miss all those explanations and links. Pawni has provided numerous links to videos and articles that also explain all this. If I had only issued these a time or two, I could accept Stalh's refusal to understand.

I think Stalh has gone over to the Dark side and is now simply trolling me. He wants to wear me down with explanation after explanation or link after link. And, when I refuse to do that he says "I'm hiding". HA.

Stalh... I'm not hiding. I simply refuse to play your game. I've told you that if you are really interested in that to go discuss it with Z, LS, or DM. They can explain it, but it will be their point of view... NOT mine.

stalhandske
28-Oct-21, 20:29

Thumper & Softaire
<'explain it to me' over and over is simply a passive-aggressive arguing tactic designed to put you on the defensive by constantly trying to 'explain it' to them. This tells me they have no real interest in the explanation, only arguing and counterattacking. To them it's not a conversation but a battle to be won.>

I am very sorry about this assessment.

<I think Stalh has gone over to the Dark side and is now simply trolling me. He wants to wear me down with explanation after explanation or link after link. And, when I refuse to do that he says "I'm hiding". HA.>

I am even more sorry about this response.

<Stalh... I'm not hiding. I simply refuse to play your game. I've told you that if you are really interested in that to go discuss it with Z, LS, or DM. They can explain it, but it will be their point of view... NOT mine. >

Softaire, my questions about this issue is no game! I know the points of view of DM et al. so I don't need that.

I had hoped to get an honest assessment of my questions, which have been completely trashed by you and now also by thumper.

Are you guys scared to answer directly? Is this because you cannot overwrite the right-wing dogma? I simply don't know! As you know, I have no bias in any 'American direction'. I only wanted to understand the REAL DIFFERENCE that you now claim at the sourthern borders. But all I get is abuse. THAT suggests to me that you cannot answer the questions!
thumper
28-Oct-21, 21:17

Stål
Softie has already answered directly and specifically numerous times. Your repeated insistence that he answer yet again demonstrates your motive. Your tag-on comments/insults such as, "Are you guys scared to answer directly?" is further indication of argumentative belligerence.

You're a very smart guy so I must conclude this is deliberate and not simply ignorance.
stalhandske
28-Oct-21, 21:32

Thumper
<Softie has already answered directly and specifically numerous times. Your repeated insistence that he answer yet again demonstrates your motive. >

I am sorry but that is actually not true!

<You're a very smart guy so I must conclude this is deliberate and not simply ignorance. >

I am doubly sorry for this. My comment was out of sheer despair, because if you were to look carefully at my questions, you would/should realise that they have not been answered, not even addressed.
stalhandske
28-Oct-21, 21:36

Thumper
Do I really need to formulate my questions once again? It seems to me that they have been entirely ignored. But if they have been misunderstood I will be happy to put them up to scrutiny once more. I just think I am being bullied here and not understood on sheer purpose!
pawntificator
29-Oct-21, 00:47

Nobody is bullying you except perhaps me and I assure you I have not in this thread until now. I know I am ostensibly beneath your notice due to certain circumstances,

Nevertheless, it is obvious that policies toward immigration have changed. I'm sorry you are not able to see this despite your agreement that national borders deserve the respect that the written law gives them.

Good day.
stalhandske
30-Oct-21, 21:33

Thumper & Softaire
I am reposting my simple question once more just to be sure you understand that it has not been answered thus far. All I have received is repeat of the quite obvious negative sides of illegal immigration (the very name shows how bad it is!), plus very nasty name-calling of the current President of the US (in fact, in the very title of this thread), which is why I won't even address Ace with my comment.

<The laws of immigration haven't changed to my understanding, the officials and border guards are not swapped. The immigration practise is handled by the same people as before and by the same rules.

Can anyone who nows tell us straight-faced in what way President Biden would have caused an increase in illegal immigration from - say - Trump's time? What exactly is meant by 'Biden's open door policy'. >

If I don't get an honest straight answer to this basically very simple question, there is only one conclusion: you won't give it because there is none!
lord_shiva
30-Oct-21, 23:04

It Is Also
a common, but bald faced conservative lie that illegal immigrants qualify for federal assistance. Cons never tire of repeating this lie ad naseum.
lord_shiva
30-Oct-21, 23:06

Biden
Biden stopped Trump's policy of busting up nasty immigrant families. In fact courts have awarded families destroyed by Trump's despicable policy as much as $400,000 each.
pawntificator
31-Oct-21, 02:16

Providing for the health and safety of random children being sneaked across the border by random adults is a nasty policy?


Remarkable.
lord_shiva
31-Oct-21, 08:52

LOL
That is how you transmogrify caging children? Cool!

I suppose the Nazi holocaust was just keeping Jews warm in the colder months, eh?
ace-of-aces
11-Nov-21, 09:24

Migrant crisis at Poland and Belarus border
youtu.be
Tension is flaring between Poland and Belarus over the rise in migrants crossing into the EU. Troops from both countries have been deployed to the border. Poland has closed a border crossing and said it's prevented hundreds of people from crossing.

Talking to DW on Wednesday, the head of the center-right EPP bloc in the EU Parliament, Manfred Weber, called on Poland to be transparent about its response, and "accept assistance by the European forces," including Frontex. The German politician singled out Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko for being foremost among key players in escalating the conflict.
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