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pawntificator 12-Feb-22, 01:28	What is a white person? I've seen so many people argue about what color a person is. In truth there is no black person or white person. Even an albino isn't white. The term "white" as a descriptor for a group of human beings doesn't have a clear definition. I've seen leftists manipulate language for years now. And at this moment in time they are using terms like "black" and "white" and also "people of color" or I think it might be ok still to say "African American." Also it's "black and brown" but it's still just "white." Is an Israeli white? Is an Argentinian white? A person from America is white? England? Ireland? Germany? France? Does a German have to be from Germany? I'm a little bit tired of people talking about white people when they don't even know what a white person is. Soon anyone from the United States will be called a
redfoxrising 12-Feb-22, 16:36	en.wikipedia.org is a racialized classification of people and a skin color specifier, generally used for people of European origin; although the definition can vary depending on context, nationality, and point of view. In the US, this term has at times been expanded to encompass persons of Mexican,[1] South Asian,[2][3] West Asian, and North African descent, persons who are often considered "non-White" in other contexts in the United States. It has also been alleged that, in the United States, Jews, people of Southern European and even Irish descent have been excluded from this category, although this idea has been contested.[4][5] The usage of "White people" or a "White race" for a large group of mainly or exclusively European populations, defined by their light skin, among other physical characteristics, and contrasting with "black", "red", "brown", "yellow", and other "colored" people or "persons of color", originated in the 17th century. Until the end of the 18th century, Europeans also described peoples of East Asia as "White".[6][7] The term "white" may or may not be capitalized. The National Association of Black Journalists recommended that the "w" in white be capitalized in 2020.[8] The AP Stylebook says that the "w" should not be capitalized.[9] The concept of a unified White race did not achieve universal acceptance in Europe when it first came into use in the 17th century, or in the centuries afterward. Nazi Germany regarded some European peoples such as Slavs as racially distinct from themselves. Prior to the modern age, no European peoples regarded themselves as "White", but rather defined their race, ancestry, or ethnicity in terms of their nationality. Moreover, there is no accepted standard for determining the geographic barrier between White and non-White people. Contemporary anthropologists and other scientists, while recognizing the reality of biological variation between different human populations, regard the concept of a unified, distinguishable "White race" as socially constructed. As a group with several different potential boundaries, it is an example of a fuzzy concept.[citation needed] The term "White race" or "White people" entered the major European languages in the later 17th century, in the context of racialized slavery and unequal social status in the European colonies. Description of populations as "White" in reference to their skin color predates this notion and is occasionally found in Greco-Roman ethnography and other ancient or medieval sources, but these societies did not have any notion of a White, pan-European race. Scholarship on race distinguishes the modern concept from pre-modern descriptions, which focused on physical complexion rather than race.
pawntificator 13-Feb-22, 00:14	Oh no, it keeps going en.wikipedia.org "There is a direct correlation between the geographic distribution of ultraviolet radiation (UVR) and the distribution of indigenous skin pigmentation around the world. Areas that receive higher amounts of UVR, generally located closer to the equator, tend to have darker-skinned populations"
mo-oneandmore 13-Feb-22, 05:35	"White" is as clear of a race descriptor in this world as black, yellow, brown or red. The word "race" in this case was assigned to separate humans during 1800s to justify slavery of blacks and the RACISM that ensued --- It justified the enslavement of blacks in America, etc because it provided a path to argue inferiority In the animal kingdom, the word RACE is assigned exclusively to human beings
dmaestro 13-Feb-22, 13:41	Race is an artificial construct. It’s used to justify inequity because it is effective. As we know from Virginia history the elites feared the poor and servants would align against them; so by dividing blacks, native Americans and poor Europeans by race they retained control. But since no conservatives here even understand that or privilege, and fear the consequences of equity, we won’t get anywhere. Conservatives you will see want to be elites more than they want equity so even if it’s unlikely they would never support equity.
thumper 13-Feb-22, 14:14	Why is it that the left continually foment and promote 'racial' strife and division?
ace-of-aces 13-Feb-22, 15:59	black and white dolls experiment with black kids youtu.be Guess, which color of the dolls, the majority of the black kids would like to play with? Good Morning America recreated the 1940s experiment in which 63% of African American children given identical white and black dolls said they rather play with the white doll and 44% identified more with the white doll. GMA interviewed 19 black boys and girls who ranged in age from 5 to 9. This time 42% wanted to play with the black doll, 32% with the white doll, and the rest said they didn't want to play with either doll. 88% said they looked more like the dark-skinned doll. When asked which doll was prettiest, all the boys said both dolls were equally pretty, but 47% of the girls said the white doll was prettiest.
thumper 13-Feb-22, 17:32	Ace I guess it depends on how well the dolls were made.
dmaestro 14-Feb-22, 08:56	We did an actual experiment with folks active in diversity to assess unconscious implicit bias. It brought an African American gentleman to tears to realize subconsciously even he was biased against blacks because of all the subliminal white privilege messaging. We know the conservative mindset is more subconsciously driven by fear which they consciously deny and overcompensate for which is why they fear diversity efforts which expose white privilege. Discussing diversity with them is thus a waste of time as Steve found because all we see is defensive avoidance and diversion; not an honest discussion of science and fact. You can’t just eliminate bias embedded in our history, our political system and subconscious. What conservatives have successfully done is tap into white anxiety to stamp out diversity education and peel off just enough blacks to win using gerrymandering. But the problem continues to exist and fester despite their denial and one day the powder keg will explode. You can’t say you were not warned righties—leftist excesses don’t make the right correct.
pawntificator 15-Feb-22, 00:54	" It brought an African American gentleman to tears to realize subconsciously even he was biased against blacks because of all the subliminal white privilege messaging" But was that really the reason? Really? Or perhaps the gentleman was in fear because of his lived experience. You don't want to discuss science or facts. The science is settled and facts you disagree with are alternative. The powder keg blew off in the last several years. Blacks rioted across the country abetted by white liberals. The powder keg you are talking about is probably more of a nuke. Please stop trying to set that off.
dmaestro 15-Feb-22, 09:10	theundefeated.com It’s well established implicit bias, not virulent overt racism, is the biggest modern American factor in racial tensions. Conservatives simply refuse to face that inconvenient truth, so they actively suppress that truth with deliberate lies and brainwash students with them. It’s now so embedded in the conservative mindset we can’t even have a fact based discussion about it as Steve found out. Wasting time with ignorant agenda driven know it alls who hate but can’t even understand the concept isn’t productive. Let the chickens come home to roost…
softaire 15-Feb-22, 10:45	DM Black people say unconscious racial bias has been a major barrier in their lives, posing as much or more of a problem than structural racism and individual discrimination, according to a new poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) and The Undefeated. About 7 in 10 African Americans say unconscious racial bias – which the poll defined as white people discriminating against Black people without realizing they are doing it – has been an obstacle in their own lives. About two-thirds cite structural or systemic racism, individual acts of discrimination and historic wealth gaps for Black people as problems that have stood in their way. ..................................................... I don't remember discriminating against anybody, let alone Black people. I'm kinda like Thumper in that I'd prefer to live my life, fight my battles against bureaucrats, and let others live their lives and fight their own battles. I wish them their success and cheer for them when they get it. Also known as implicit racism, unconscious bias is an amorphous subject, hard to prove and difficult to measure within individual minds. In a series of interviews, poll respondents sometimes struggled to identify their own experiences with it, or to differentiate between unconscious bias and overtly racist actions. ........................................................... Maybe it's hard to prove and maybe they struggle identifying it because it is all ONLY in their minds? Maybe it's difficult to differentiate between unconscious and overtly racist actions because it's all only in their minds? And the difference between deliberate and unconscious bias may not matter much in the actual moments of painful discrimination. Although unconscious bias ranked at the top of the list of personal obstacles in the poll, 70% of Black people who experienced discrimination say they were treated unfairly on purpose. Only 27% said white people were unaware of discriminating against them. ............................................................ How would 70% of Black people know that they were being discriminated against "on purpose"? Given that there was discrimination, how would 27% of them know that the white person was aware or unaware of it? Discrimination is WRONG and mostly illegal. It can be very painful. It should be stopped where it exists and that should be in and by a court of law. But this article tells us that whites do it and don't even know it. If I discriminate, I will know it. Most of the perceived discrimination that Blacks perceive is due to the MSM telling them about it, putting it in their minds. I imagine this means that Blacks don't discriminate against Whites, Asians, Hispanics, or other Blacks? Is the huge amount of Black on Black crime, assaults, and murders due to White racism? I'm also unaware about that.
redfoxrising 15-Feb-22, 10:59	DM Surpressing the truth says who? Brainwashing of our students I don't under stand this point? I read the last web link posted and I clicked on Black, Hispanic, and white. The new multicultural discussions are so different today than they were years ago. If there is discrimination in todays word it is basically against laws. The person STEVE leaves me wondering who he is?
thumper 15-Feb-22, 11:26	Softie You're right. Much (most? all?) of this so called "implicit racism and unconscious bias" is a deliberate construct devised by those who need racism in order to ensure their paycheck, funding and grants. If you watch closely they're actually prompting, encouraging and leading their 'subjects' to agree with and parrot their 'thesis'.
dmaestro 15-Feb-22, 20:43	We know you mean well on racism but after all this time it is obvious you all are not interested and can’t possibly understand what the blacks are talking about or implicit racism. You fear the results of diversity training due to your obvious white privilege and so now suppress it. It’s another issue we just won’t ever agree on. You all need to live with your own kind or there will be conflict.
softaire 15-Feb-22, 20:54	You have become a one-trick pony. You never debate and discuss any issues with ideas that you believe or think. The only thing you can do is parrot what other people write and then tell us we can't understand it. You cover your lack of involvement by telling us that we fear things, that we are racists, and that we are so different from you that there is no use trying to talk about it. Actually, I think you fear trying to discuss the issues with your own mind. You don't understand what we're saying because YOU are so different. And, if anyone is a racist it is you who have been championing the Democrat policies that have kept Blacks uneducated, poor, and killing each other for 60 years.
dmaestro 15-Feb-22, 22:10	Implicit racism being subconscious is easily demonstrated because bias is natural. You all just don’t want to admit it. We can infer why. But there is no point in discussing it anymore with those whose agenda demands that it can’t be true. We are too different. It is a waste of time. Think what you want. Rant on about how we can’t make whites uncomfortable facing the truth—ban all other views. But don’t expect many to bother engaging.
pawntificator 15-Feb-22, 23:05	Well, maybe Africa will invent the wheel eventually, but not as long as we are sending them free wheels.
softaire 16-Feb-22, 06:32	Continued violence: A history of Democrats vs Black Americans This article explains how you leftist-Democrats have been the racist against Blacks. Are we too different to talk about this? The violent crime plaguing the Democrat-controlled Black communities is nothing new. For over two hundred years, violence has been a mechanism of control wielded against Black Americans by Democrat party leadership. It is a historical fact that the Democrat party was the party of slavery, secession, segregation, and now socialism. And whether it was the whip, branding iron, rape, castration, or murder, they have always applied violence as the primary tool to compel Black obedience. But it is put into maximum overdrive whenever White Democrat leadership feel that their Blacks are getting a little too uppity. more follows in the article: www.americanthinker.com
dmaestro 16-Feb-22, 11:38	Softaire Many people (Stahl, Z, LS, etc and myself) have repeatedly refuted that convenient propaganda. It does no good you all cling to propaganda but one more time…. You forget i study history; and I was once a social liberal fiscal restraint Republican as a youth and I grew up in a black area. It was Truman who desegregated the military not Republicans. A critical turning point was that JFK defeated Nixon, who at that time was pro civil rights, by publicly getting MLK out jail getting many black votes formerly GOP. The Goldwater opposition to the Civl Rights bill began a massive exodus of Dixiecrats to the GOP, which accelerated with the racist Southern strategy, focusing on turning what are now Trumper type whites Republican. Since then Dems have been dependent on female and minority support since white males are conservative (no Dems would ever win if we still had only white males voting so we are natural opponents). You all of course can’t take the truth about the racists move to the GOP en.m.wikipedia.org which the GOP apologized for under Bush 43 but went back to under Trump. You conservatives are more concerned with keeping your privilege and just peeling off enough minorities with your McCarthyism and fake history to win than fighting the racism behind your wins. So we know what you are up to and discussions go nowhere. I consider conservative low info white males the problem and a cancer on the country so I can’t wait until there are not enough of you to destroy our democracy if we can survive your civil war. The GOP is the White Party. Once I found out the true agenda of the GOP I became a RINO and hell would freeze before I’d go back to the GOP—even though the Dems push too far left IMO due to our coalitions.
thumper 16-Feb-22, 15:11	DM You name off a short list of hard left progressives in these clubs and claim they've 'refuted' what you claim is 'propaganda'. They are your gold standard? Those you've listed have publicly admitted they regularly engage in hyperbole, exaggeration, browbeating and mockery. Often resorting to badgering, insulting and personal smears if not agreed with. Now tell us again who engages in propaganda... You presuming to lecture me about 'black people' is frankly hilarious.
stalhandske 16-Feb-22, 23:15	Thumper First of all <You presuming to lecture me about 'black people' is frankly hilarious. > dmaestro wasn't lecturing you, but replying to posts by softaire. I think the post by softaire (16 Feb; 06:32) is one of the most evil and biased interpretations of American history that I have read in a long time. Jumping all of true history in claiming that the present day US democrats would be anything comparable to the democrats of the mid 19th century. Based on the book softaire wrote about his experiences in the Vietnam war, I had built a very good picture of him as somebody with deep thoughts of what is right and what is wrong in society. His post now about American history completely destroys my earlier opinion of him. He has also accused me of senility in these threads. Fine, I can live with that and I have people around me to check the fact, but to me his recent historical 'interpretations' are marks of completely losing reality.
softaire 17-Feb-22, 07:07	Know Your Black History This is a good article that explains a little Black American history and some fairly recent experiences with it. It also, once again, demonstrates how Democrats are the party of racism. www.americanthinker.com
softaire 17-Feb-22, 07:28	DM Thanks for that last post and link. I am reviewing it.
mo-oneandmore 17-Feb-22, 07:32	softee You can get a far better picture of Black history in America by reading the book titled "1619 Project" and then sharing your new discoveries with your friends and the children. Unless you're afraid that you and the children will learn the truth.
softaire 17-Feb-22, 07:37	LBJ Quote... “These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again. [Said to Senator Richard Russell, Jr. (D-GA) regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1957]”
dmaestro 17-Feb-22, 08:15	www.msnbc.com Texas is a southern state. LBJ was an old style southern Democrat and racist. But he was also critical to getting Civil Rights passed. kinginstitute.stanford.edu Whereas Nixon has a long history of supporting civil rights but his actions when MLK was jailed cost him black support and as President he supported the racist southern strategy. As we keep pointing out the Dem party after LBJ was not the same and neither was the GOP. Blacks and white males shifted parties accordingly.
mo-oneandmore 17-Feb-22, 08:17	Softee I agree that Johnston (a Texan) had racist tendencies, but LBJ wasn't POTUS in 1957. He later changed his thinking and did his best to correct injustices that had been forced on blacks for centuries (see slavery, etc for example) <<<Who was Johnson saying was free at last? Johnson felt duty bound to see the late President Kennedy's bill through. 4)He told the NAACP leader Roy Wilkins that as President he was now "free at last" from his Texas constituency and able to help African Americans.>>> Wikipedia
dmaestro 17-Feb-22, 08:20	www.yahoo.com We Dems are the party of.urban diversity. The GOP is the party of rural whites. If we could just divide the country it would be obvious we are too different.
thumper 17-Feb-22, 08:39	DM Interesting how in my area we have a massive brown population and a growing influx of black who are warmly welcomed. I guess they aren't listening to the debilitating progressive city propaganda. They prefer to live here and be properly judged by the content of their character. To you they're simply one of your coalitions to be 'managed'. Here we're neighbors and friends who look out for each other.
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