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softaire 22-Feb-22, 17:15	"Minor Incursion" I'm predicting that Putin will stop his invasion with the two separatist regions that he now has. I base this on Biden telling the world a few weeks ago that he probably would not seek major sanctions if Putin only made a "minor incursion" or a "minor invasion". So, Biden basically told Putin to go ahead. www.businessinsider.com
thumper 22-Feb-22, 17:42	I don't know much about this. I know a bit about combat tactics and strategy as well as psychology but much less about modern international political intrigue. I've pledged to remove myself from such things and to live a quiet life in the mountains to the best of my ability.
redfoxrising 22-Feb-22, 18:42	I've pledged to remove myself from such things and to live a quiet life in the mountains to the best of my ability. That is a nice thought until you quiet life is interrupted by an invasion.
thumper 22-Feb-22, 20:31	Redfox If or when that time comes I would be deeply saddened. I would not stay home and because of that many others would not go home to their families and loved ones. Would that God allows us to live in what peace we can. I do not wish for my loved ones to see what, in my weakness, I'm capable of.
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 09:17	www.foxnews.com Pax Americana is done. America is and will remain too divided to do much. Russia will continue to expand. So will China. Working together and using proxies, the adversaries with more economic and geopolitics clout will see thr over extended American empire will crumble like the British Empire. This was all predictable in fact many high level folks have been concerned for years if America doesn’t change its path it will fail. If the public realized how bad it is they would panic but the divisions are still too great they would just fight and blame each other so better they stay naive. Blaming Biden for a situation where Putin has the upper hand while you all praise Putin as a genius www.cnn.com is just a sign of why America must finally pay the piper. But as they say whom the gods would destroy they first make insane. That is America and your dismissal of what I say won’t change it.
softaire 23-Feb-22, 09:34	Biden has destroyed American independence in energy. Biden showed extreme weakness in the Afghan pullout giving to the enemy who hates us the country of Afghanistan and $80 Billion worth of American weapons, ammunition, supplies, and a state-of-the-art airport. Biden showed our other enemies (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and others) that we are weak-willed, unwilling to keep our word, very confused, and unable to come to a common mind. We'll see if Biden and company have stronger sanctions that actually accomplish anything, but it is doubtful they will stop Putin. And, after Putin takes Ukraine, the Chinese will take Taiwan. DM is right... we are doomed. (Actually we may not be doomed. We DO have Kamala Harris looking for the root causes and advising our allies that we're serious.)
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 09:47	www.cato.org There is much truth to this link. Clinton erred badly and then Bush 43 made it much worse by misreading Putin’s long game. History shows Nixon was correct in warning right before his death that those celebrating the fall of communism and focused only on a “peace dividend” without serious efforts to invest in fragile Russian democracy were making a huge mistake. www.washingtonpost.com. Now we have the anti-USA Russia and China alliance feared long ago. www.nytimes.com American arrogance over its “exceptionalism” and the supposed “end of history” is the root cause and the consequences have come home to roost. Pride of man…
softaire 23-Feb-22, 09:52	DM You may be right! I remember the possibility of a Russian-Chinese alliance back during the Vietnam War period. It could now be a reality.
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 09:57	Softaire What nonsense. You really drank the oil industry Kool aid. www.forbes.com. It’s just not worth wasting time when you can’t stick to facts. We have a majority of citizens who are myopic. America thus deserves to fail and is well down that path. You all are part of the reason.
softaire 23-Feb-22, 10:01	DM Biden stopped the pipelines. Biden stopped drilling and exploration of federal lands. Biden approved the Nordstream II pipeline for Russia. Biden asked OPEC to increase production. Oil per barrel costs have risen. Gasoline costs have risen. Home heating oil costs have risen. You don't see a correlation?
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 10:14	Correlation is not causation. Belief in that logical fallacy is why America will fail. Life arises in a chaotic system and consists of dilemmas with unintended consequences; not simplistic answers. The long version of Rev Wright’s speech taken in context youtu.be not the snippets conservatives distort is far more true than you would ever understand. It’s America’s time of judgement and she was found wanting—just look outside your bubble. You are just being used by sloganeering pundits who don’t address root causes. But since you can’t open your eyes to it, there is no point.
thumper 23-Feb-22, 10:28	DM What have you done to better the situation? What have you done to help and uplift people?
softaire 23-Feb-22, 10:37	So you reject the idea that stopping drilling, mining, and exploration on federal lands plus stopping the oil pipelines, stopping fracking, screwing up the supply lines and asking Russia and OPEC to drill more for us has caused the price of oil and gas to rise? I imagine that the cost of funding green alternatives to energy has not hurt the cost of energy, right? I imagine that giving away Afghanistan and its' minerals to the Taliban and China has not helped prices. I'm sure that you also think that the Russian incursion into Ukraine is not causing any increase in cost to us. But why would Biden say that our prices will be going up even more now? Why do you always argue with common sense?
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 11:01	theweek.com We know Trump not only openly admired Putin but served his agenda. Now that Putin knows America is hopelessly divided he has calculated he doesn’t care about ineffective western sanctions. The Russia-China-Iran alliance is stronger long term what Biden can do and America’s divisions are too great for Putin etc to worry. Welcome to the new world order and the new strongman era. It is just the beginning. -)
softaire 23-Feb-22, 11:14	So you avoid answering the questions about rising energy prices by blaming Trump. You are really very funny and not very serious. Of course, by doing that you verify and confirm what i said. Thank you.
thumper 23-Feb-22, 11:25	Softie In my world people help each other and look out for one other. We look for and find the best in each other. I lift up my brother and sister and they me but DM never offers anything uplifting. He seems intent only on division, discord, strife and hatred in an attempt to tear down. It's like a fetish with him.
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 11:30	We are in no position to end our oil dependence short term but oil is far more valuable for its chemical uses than as a fuel and the environmental costs are increasing. Biden discouraged but let Germany go ahead with the pipeline because they wanted it not because Russia wanted it. Energy independence needs a smart transition to other sources being primary which is slow processes But you all don’t understand the long term problem. You get distracted by trees but can’t see the forest.
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 11:42	Thumper You by your own admission live in that insular kind of environment so you don’t have to live in the reality many of us do. The world isn’t that way at all and it’s moving in the a dangerous direction. We are headed towards an era which will end your illusions. You accuse me of fostering division but it’s just you don’t want to face reality. Even your own clubs prove my point.
thumper 23-Feb-22, 12:14	DM You make the reality you wish to live in. Do you really want to try and convince 'me' to live in 'your' manufactured reality of division, discord, strife and hatred? Not going to happen. I've probably traveled a bit more than you have and find that most people across the country and the globe more agree with me. You may want to recheck your compass. The people you parrot are only interested in a divide and conquer tactic in their mad pursuit of power and control with manipulation as their primary weapon. I call you out for trying to foster division based on your many posts promoting division.
dmaestro 23-Feb-22, 12:20	news.osu.edu It’s just how your brains work—and that so many of you live in groupthink lies so you can’t recognize it makes it incurable. The result of this isn’t satisfying but at least there is the comfort you will see some of it come to pass Your inability to see these divisions over basic facts will end the American experiment is unfortunate. But it’s what it is.
thumper 23-Feb-22, 12:43	What is it about us that distresses you so? Does seeing so many people getting along despite our differences and your best efforts to divide throw you into a fit of indignant rage? It seems to cause you such an anger and deep seeded desire to try and 'set us straight'. Your world must really suck.
dmaestro 24-Feb-22, 13:58	Who is just getting along? These are right wing clubs. Others are just commenting on where we think you are wrong and for the most part find engagement not worth it. What you really have is an echo chamber not constructive engagement. Be honest…
thumper 24-Feb-22, 14:25	DM I'm not talking about GK clubs. I'm talking about real life, you know, where most of us live?
dmaestro 24-Feb-22, 15:51	Thumper Most people I know stay away from discussing politics or avoid hot political topics except where they know there are no consequences. I realize your situation is different and you have no clue what I am saying. But for the majority it just is not that way: www.forbes.com It doesn’t mean for example us you, softaire and/or I hypothetically meeting would end badly. I accept your experiences shape your views and they are very different but we have more in common than it appears. Plus in your world I’m a when in Rome guy…not Antifa. But I have to think you underestimate where this will end. That liberals don’t bother in your clubs anymore is an indicator not just personal or accidental.
thumper 24-Feb-22, 16:17	DM I'm sure you would do your best to try and blend in and be a chameleon out here if you thought nobody knew who you were and what you've worked so hard to promote. Sadly for some, the internet is a rich research environment if you know how to go about it. Funny how much you can learn about someone with only a little bit of information.
softaire 07-Mar-22, 21:55	I just watched some news from Ukraine tonight. Could you ever think that the crushing, devastating sanctions placed on Putin by Biden could be so crippling and effective?
stalhandske 07-Mar-22, 22:02	<Could you ever think that the crushing, devastating sanctions placed on Putin by Biden could be so crippling and effective? > I don't understand this query. Is it criticism? It seems to me to focus on Biden's reactions and to ignore the actions of the rest of the "West".
softaire 08-Mar-22, 06:42	Of course you don't understand this. This was me mocking Biden, before the invasion, calling his sanctions "crippling, crushing, devastating" and that he implied Putin would not invade because of the threat, or if he did, they would basically stop Russia in its' tracks. His sanctions really didn't do much good, did they. WHY do you think America is still buying Russian oil and gas? Do you think Biden is being "tough" on Russia? Who do you think is the Russian stooge now?
pawntificator 09-Mar-22, 00:02	It's still Trump, right? And now it's also anybody who questions the narrative urging everyone to support Ukraine. I'm getting a little tired of brainwashed mindlets.
pawntificator 09-Mar-22, 23:59	rumble.com
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