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mo-oneandmore 03-Feb-22, 06:18	Appropriate quote "He's a kook, and he's unfit for public service. The only way to make America great again is to tell Donald trump to go to Hell!" Senator Lindsey Graham --- staunch Republican from South Carolina, and recent trump supporter in response to a reporter's question just yesterday.
stalhandske 03-Feb-22, 06:26	nothing_exploded <DM is fake and so is stahl. > <Show him love but do not tolerate his abject emptiness. It's ok to stand up for what is true and right. He doesn't know what this means.> I will not tolerate these personal assessments without explanation or any backing. Please, let me know ASAP what you mean by saying I am fake, or by my abject emptiness. I am waiting..... but not for very long.
dmaestro 03-Feb-22, 14:47	We already know Nothing is an attention seeking conspiracy theorist and extremist troll. His comments are mean spirited, meaningless drivel. He’s the epitome of what Hillary called a deplorable. But he has the hearts and minds of his right wing backers here who think he knows so much more than the rest of us and they agree with him whether they say it or not. To be attacked by him shows you are on the right track. There are those you just write off and he is one.
dmaestro 03-Feb-22, 15:02	As for Softaire it’s obvious to me he knows far too much that isn’t so to be worth any serious discussion. He would have some point if Dems were all far left radicals as he claims but that is not so, and because he is incapable of fact checking and we’ve known that for a long time, there are no common facts on which to base a discussion if you don’t accept his right wing “facts”. It’s unfortunate because he isn’t a hostile person which is why many people have tried but when I say we are too different to get anywhere that should be evident by now and that’s not just my opinion. It’s just not worth making it personal in his case.
softaire 03-Feb-22, 18:09	You guys should want to be punked by Nothing. He's the best and you are not even "on-the-board" until he has punked you. You don't even exist until it happens. Look for it and WANT it. THEN, and only then, are you eligible to participate.
stalhandske 03-Feb-22, 19:43	Softaire <You guys should want to be punked by Nothing. He's the best and you are not even "on-the-board" until he has punked you. You don't even exist until it happens. Look for it and WANT it. THEN, and only then, are you eligible to participate. > That's a very strange post to me, perhaps because i don't understand it. So please explain why these comments are so accurate as nothing-exploded himself seems to be unable to: <DM is fake and so is stahl. > <Show him love but do not tolerate his abject emptiness. It's ok to stand up for what is true and right. He doesn't know what this means.>
softaire 03-Feb-22, 21:50	Stalh IMHO... You have no sense of context, no sense of humor, no sense of anything. You seem to have lived in "high society" with all the stuffiness of an English Lord. You would not have made it as an enlisted man, nor would you last long on an American street in one of our big cities. Ask DM. He might explain it to you.
pawntificator 03-Feb-22, 22:46	I'm about to remove stalhandske from the club for having his feelings hurt too easily which leads to reporting posts unnecessarily. I feel like whenever stal gets in a special mood it's going to be report posts for censorship reasons. As if I would set my timeline to answering the demands of someone on the internet. Talk to you guys tomorrow, maybe. Or perhaps next Tuesday.
stalhandske 04-Feb-22, 01:05	Softaire <IMHO... You have no sense of context, no sense of humor, no sense of anything. You seem to have lived in "high society" with all the stuffiness of an English Lord. You would not have made it as an enlisted man, nor would you last long on an American street in one of our big cities.> OK, I see. Thanks for your valuable opinion. I am sure you feel better now.
stalhandske 04-Feb-22, 01:10	Nothing <I'm about to remove stalhandske from the club for having his feelings hurt too easily which leads to reporting posts unnecessarily. I feel like whenever stal gets in a special mood it's going to be report posts for censorship reasons. > So, why don't you remove me then? I have no' hurt feelings'. I only demanded you to explain your personal statement about me, which I find unjustified. <<DM is fake and so is stahl. > <Show him love but do not tolerate his abject emptiness. It's ok to stand up for what is true and right. He doesn't know what this means.>
stalhandske 04-Feb-22, 07:45	Nothing I will save you the trouble. Due to your view being moderator, and softaire's view (03 FeB. 21:50) I don't think I am wanted in this club any longer.
dmaestro 04-Feb-22, 08:17	It’s unfortunate but that is how America is: hopelessly divided and only able to agree we are too divided and the other side is wrong irrespective of reality. rollcall.com. We are in a civil war: www.bnnbloomberg.ca. And discussions here prove it. One day you all will realize as more and more do as far as trying to reduce the conflict this is just wasting time just like holiday family arguments over politics and religion. There are only facts not alternate facts; you all think you know it all, but when you all live in groupthink while others know the difference as Stal does in science, you can’t browbeat people into backing down to obvious propaganda and patience is inevitable limited.
dmaestro 04-Feb-22, 08:27	And if you all think putting Trump back in office after his culture war lies and J6 will heal America’s divisions as Softaire once said which was as naive as you get, you are in for a big wake-up call. Start by admitting we are just too different! Then try and figure out how to peacefully deal with it. But I predict you will pursue your culture war until it turns violent.
redfoxrising 04-Feb-22, 11:23	Stalhandske left our club This does not stop him from reporting the club. Keep our posting GK compliant and we should be ok. I cannot make any extra mods here. It's just Nothing and I to keep this club open. I maynot be back for a few days myself...
dmaestro 04-Feb-22, 12:48	I don’t expect Stahl will do much. This club is what it is. He knows it wouldn’t change anything. The fact is those on the receiving end of Nothing’s endless insults and mischief are aware of his long history of mischief, insults and his personal betrayal of Stal and others, and getting clubs suspended, so we expect it; and his right wing support. The history is: We know Softaire blasted Stal and quit Fiat Lux over “free speech” in 2016 and whether to discipline Nothing for lies about Stal he somehow didn’t see—but the rest of us did. So—this an old issue; and Nothing just isn’t welcome in most clubs anymore, but he thrives and is supported here. So for Stal it’s easier to just quit when you want serious more civil discussions and moderators enable it. Or if we stay in discussions, just write him off. In Nothing’a case for many of us it is now so much personal history no reconciliation is possible. That is fact.
softaire 04-Feb-22, 13:24	DM You missed the history of when I left a club because the club founder had kicked Stalhandske out of it because he disagreed with Stalh's free speech. That doesn't get brought up often. I haven't made Stalh leave any club. In fact I have invited him to a club several times, only to watch him become insulted at other people's free speech, get in a huff, and leave... much as he seems to have done here. Stalhandske has every right to post his objections to any post made by any other member. He also has the right to simply ignore any post that he chooses. He is under NO obligation to post or to leave. The choice is HIS. Ignoring a post is not too difficult really. Becoming insulted and offended by what other people write is the norm today. He fits in with believing he is the victim. Poor Stalhandske... he was insulted and that offends him. He deserves retribution. Someone who is supposedly in favor of discussions certainly doesn't hang around long for those discussions.
thumper 04-Feb-22, 13:34	DM I put up with the constant personal attacks in 1A for 10 years before finally leaving. I was literally the last conservative thinking man standing in that club when I left. Opposing views aren't tolerated in the liberal clubs. They're met not with tolerance or understanding but with hate and derision. Even now with 0 conservative or centrist club membership, the liberal clubs spend much of their time personally mocking and attacking conservatives who aren't even in their clubs. You guys have even started entire threads dedicated to attacking, mocking and belittling conservative thinkers in other clubs. So much for civil discussions huh?
mo-oneandmore 04-Feb-22, 14:52	softy My opinion is that DM pretty much captures the facts about this club, the Neutral club and you, and I don't believe he misses that many FACTS DM, Same thing goes (in my opinion ) for Thumper's follow up rash, entirely untrue (see lies) comments about the "You guy's clubs" that he stupidly spouted to you.
dmaestro 04-Feb-22, 15:08	Thumper I didn’t support forcing you out and neither did Stal. All we wanted was fact based discussions. The segregation and incivility reflects today’s America. And since we can’t talk for long the cross club comments make sense.
dmaestro 04-Feb-22, 15:29	It’s always the same. Stal knows a lot and he tries to be accurate and mediate. We know he can be determined in his arguments I’ve gone back and forth with him a couple times myself. But we are friends and it’s fair to say since he’s not American but lived here and we’ve seen this result after pushing his buttons many time moderators should intervene to keep him here. I am used to the nastiness of American discussions; but to those from other countries who find our divisions difficult to understand we should be more sensitive about personal attacks and blatant disrespect for someone coming from some expertise. If I want to know about something you all are actual experts in while I am not I wouldn’t approach them the way Stal is. We all know by now about the personal dispute with Nothing so that is where moderators need to intervene.
softaire 04-Feb-22, 22:05	DM "But we are friends and it’s fair to say since he’s not American but lived here and we’ve seen this result after pushing his buttons many time moderators should intervene to keep him here." We have many times tried to "keep him here". But many times he has called-out and criticized Thumper and me as being "cowards" and as "running away" from his superior arguments simply because we dared not answer them in what he thinks to be a "timely manner". However, it is Stalhandske who has on many occasions run away by leaving a club, always in a huff. Those were his choices. I too consider Stalh a friend. I didn't ask him to leave this club and I never asked him to leave NG. Those were HIS choices. I think him very knowledgeable in many things... but what is going on in America is not one of them. And, being so closed minded about that won't improve his understanding. That is also his choice.
pawntificator 04-Feb-22, 23:14	I did not remove stal although I would have if he started reporting posts. Of course he is always free to report posts even though he is no longer a member of the club. He's always welcome back. I'm sure he will find something to comment about someday.
mo-oneandmore 05-Feb-22, 03:16	nothing We're all aware that Stalh dumped this club on his own accord and for good reason.
pawntificator 05-Feb-22, 23:32	So it seems like there are only 2 fakes to go.
pawntificator 12-Feb-22, 01:05	On this note, I would like to add that we are open for a full infiltration of leftists who want to form a brigade and argue points. All are welcome.
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