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inhis_service
01-Jan-20, 12:19

What Would You Do?
About June or May of 2019 I was in an auto accident where the other vehicle ran a red light. Thankfully, no one was hurt or injured.

However, even with two witnesses at the time of the accident who seen the other driver run the red light, this driver is telling his insurance I was NOT at fault.

This has led my claim going to "arbitration". I can still drive my vehicle, but it is only because I am using a piece of clothes line to hold up my damaged front bumper!

My insurance representative is explaining that Geigo the others insurance company is dragging their feet in contacting the witnesses. Whew!

I am considering going to Small Claims court or getting legal help to get this claim settled. I do not want to spend more money I do not have to waste for something that should have been settled months ago, but you know people move and maybe this guy might move as well. Any suggestions, please?
mo-oneandmore
01-Jan-20, 12:39

If there was a police report of the accident that confirms what you say it should be all you need to show the red light runners insurance company who is at fault.

If you did NOT get a police report --- well: That's YOUR fault, and it almost becomes a no-fault "you say, he says" issue.


You might also want to contact YOUR insurance company about the matter --- they can put some pressure on the at fault insurance company.
inhis_service
01-Jan-20, 13:03

Learning the hard way . . .

Though I didn't wait for the police to get an official report, the police explained to me that unless they SEE someone run a red light it's still "he said, she said".

There's no putting on "pressure". Something about professional courtesy I think.

Looking online at what the state insurance commission can do, they say the same thing about being unable to put a fire under someone's arse.

Hate to say ir, but part of the problem could be this other driver is Hispanic . . ., and here in Texas, well.

I'm going to start calling for kegal advice.

Thanks, Mo-one, for your help.
mo-oneandmore
02-Jan-20, 02:44

No (legal) fault
It sounds like your out of luck, IHS --- "legal advice" will likely just cost you more money.
You need to ask your auto insurance provider to help you fix your car.

Questions for ya, ace
Why do you consider the other drivers (Hispanic) nationality and/or race to be part of the problem?

Is there something going on in Texas "law" that we should know about?
inhis_service
02-Jan-20, 04:21

@ Mo-one
No, nothing going on with Texas law.

Just a personal feeling here. I am not used to having fellow citizens of America not being able to speak English.

I'll admit that in this regard, I am prejudiced.

But, also, (please, do not call me ace, okay?) you must take into consideration. I was totally shocked by what happened!

I drive a small compact Mitsubishi Lancer hatchback. This other driver was driving about 30 miles an hour when he blew through the intersection after I had already started to drive forward. He was driving a full sized Toyota Tundra. If my brother, in the passenger seat hadn't yelled for me to stop, he would have T-boned me.

Talk about no contest!
mo-oneandmore
02-Jan-20, 10:03

How many languages do you speak, IHS?

There's no law against not understanding the English language in America, IHS.
Do you think there should be?
apatzer
02-Jan-20, 15:55

There is a way,

I would contact the ...

1. better business bureau

2. Your attorney general

3. Your insurance commissioner

4. Your department of motor vehicles

Then I would write a certified letter to his insurance company and outline the steps that you have taken. I would also say, I am going to my local news station and informing them and I am also contacting an attorney and will be asking for 3 x damages and attorney fees.

I would start there
inhis_service
02-Jan-20, 17:17

@Apatzer
Hey, I think you have some great ideas here.

Sitting around waiting for whatever while these characters are doing nothing is . . .

Asking for disappointment or WORSE. Right now my car really isn't safe to drive.

These other agencies that you have mentioned are going to be hearing from me starting tomorrow.

Thanks a million!
redfoxrising
02-Jan-20, 17:40

Good to see that some good advice has been given to the problems from the accident during the summer. It seems in our state of Michigan with our no-fault insurance problems are resolved quicker. If your in an accident and your vehicle is totaled you get a check for your loss. If your car gets damaged you take it in for repairs and if covered you might pay a deductible or it might be waived if your not in fault.

Seems the he-said or you-say is the main issue not resolved. I hope you get this matter corrected soon and your car is repaired to make it safe to drive.
inhis_service
02-Jan-20, 18:21

A learning experience for me! As I said previously I was in shock over how near to being seriously hurt I had been. It was a very busy intersection, and after we got off the road away from the traffic I recall how much this guy was in a hurry to exchange our personal information. Also, he said that waiting for the police wasn't necessary because I had the witnesses names and phone numbers. He tried to sound so reassuring. Next time I'll wait for the police.

I'm thinking these insurance companies have a racket going here. Every month drivers pay them money because "that's the law".

I just talked to my co worker here. He told me he also had an accident which went to arbitration. Nothing ever got resolved.

I am having a talk with my wife and I think we have made a big mistake getting such a high deductible - which we can't afford! We're paying all this money for a lower premium for what?!!
Whew.
apatzer
02-Jan-20, 18:54

You are very welcome IHS. Of I happen to think of anything else I'll post it. Have you tried doing a web search for people who have had similar experience/problems? They will usually be happy to post answers. Also sometimes a lawyer will respond to thier questions of it is on a message board, as part of their pro bono work.

Best of luck to you
inhis_service
02-Jan-20, 20:28

My wife is much more sauvy about these kinds of things. I will share with her the suggestions you have been kind enough to send me.

We'll probably write some letters and try getting some legal counsel.

Intimately, it's in God's hands, we know.

Bless you for your time and consideration.
apatzer
03-Jan-20, 16:21

I just thought of something else,

Was a police report taken? If so what does it say?

If a police report was taken and it states who was at fault, then the insurance company doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I would mail them a copy of the report and demand that they fix your vehicle immediately. As it is causing an unfair burden on your family.

If they ignore that, try to find a lawyer who will take the case pro bono, and also sue the insurance company
redfoxrising
03-Jan-20, 16:23

He didn't get a police report
inhis_service
03-Jan-20, 17:24

Systematic Problem
If there would have been a police report of this accident the police have already told me that unless a police officer witnesses an incident such as a driver running a light its all hearsay. Now had the police report Included statements from the witnesses that might have carried more "weight" - whatever that would have been worth.

Finding an attorney who would help me pro bono will likely be like finding a perverbial needle.

We were in a tight spot financially some time ago, and put up the car title for a loan. This required us getting a full coverage insurance policy. To lower the premium we used a high deductible, and the beat goes on . . .

We'll soon have our title back and we can get cheaper insurance as well.

This other driver played the system better than we did.

It sticks in my craw, but now I'm a little wiser. I hope.
apatzer
04-Jan-20, 07:32

Yeah
It sux when someone is totally guilty, yet can deny it with impunity and call actual eye witnesses Testimony , Hearsay. And use lies and denial of guilt. To draw things out and wear the other out
apatzer
04-Jan-20, 07:38

P.S
And there f the guilty party happens to be rich, they can delay Court case's, ask for continuance after continuance untill it is no longer worth going after them for justice, because they will bankrupt you with legal fees.

Most lawyers are around 300 per hour, but some are cheaper.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 08:39

Privileged Class . . .
Mo-one was asking about why I thought this case had to do with the comment I made about his being Hispanic.

It wasn't only THAT, but the fact he apparently had a nice job with the city or county, and then I seen inside his brand new Toyota Tundra with all of this electronic goodies, you know?

Hmm, can't speak English but lands a cush job with the city/ county . . .

Yet has the brass to stick me!

Any lawyer I get will be low income or free. We just made a mistake getting that high deductible trying to save money.

Believe he will get what he's got coming. Running red lights usually is a bad habit.
zorroloco
04-Jan-20, 08:41

Ihs
What cush county job does he have?
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 08:56

Don't You "Get It"?
If YOU were in my place, maybe you wouldn't be judgmental?

Maybe?
zorroloco
04-Jan-20, 08:59

Judgmental?
Just asked what job he has... it seemed like you knew what he does for a living.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 09:12

@Zorro
Fair enough.

Don't know, and really couldn't care less!

Do you have any constructive suggestions?
zorroloco
04-Jan-20, 09:21

Yes
Don’t assume he has a cushy country job based on no evidence. Don’t assume his lack of English predisposes him to bad actions.

Also you said,

“Hmm, can't speak English but lands a cush job with the city/ county . . . “

And

“I recall how much this guy was in a hurry to exchange our personal information. Also, he said that waiting for the police wasn't necessary because I had the witnesses names and phone numbers. He tried to sound so reassuring.”

Did he speak English or not? Do you know he has a cushy county job or not?

Sounds like you’re making all kinds of assumptions. Don’t get me wrong... you have a right to be upset, but it seems like you’re upset about his language skills and his job, when you should be upset about him running the red light and dealing with insurance.

inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 15:39

You Were NOT There
When I asked you for "constructive suggestions" that didn't include any "Miss Manners" type aimed at my character. If I had a child or were addressing someone who wasn't very mature I might have posted something like what you did. I was considering simply deleting it it so upset me. Keeping in mind our "history", I put that aside when I admitted you into the Club. Emphasizing your "unique experiences", I was thinking you were going to put our "history" aside, also.

Recalling the incident as I related it above, do you recall my mentioning how "shocked" the incident left me? And then you question my integrity by asking;

<< "I recall how much this guy was in a hurry to exchange our personal information. Also, he said that waiting for the police wasn't necessary because I had the witnesses names and phone numbers. He tried to sound so reassuring.”

Did he speak English or not? Do you know he has a cushy county job or not? >>

Because I grew up in a Hispanic culture environment I know what people sound like who are not fluent in English. This man was not fluent in English, okay? It was his body language which indicated he was in a hurry, AND because I am experienced in the mannerisms of the Hispanic culture I could understand very well his intentions wanting us to go our separate ways.

Think on this for one minute; whether or not he was aware that the light was red when he ran it and hit me. When we both got out of our vehicles to begin assessing what happened, when I got around to accusing him of running the light, he immediately denied it, saying that I ran the light. Quicker than you can say (bad word), a crowd of people there waiting for the bus said loud and clear, "Oh, no! You did!" With that information he likely started saying, "Oh, (bad word). Now what do I do?" The wheels in his head - all in Spanish, of course - started thinking maybe I can get out of here before the cops show up."

You should be able to figure out what upset me about your post. If you want to post another opinion maybe ask our moderator. That would be great.

Bottom line; because I don't want us to get off on the wrong foot in this Club, would you please delete your post above, and try offering me other suggestions?

Or just delete it period?

Thanks

zorroloco
04-Jan-20, 15:59

I wasn’t there
And as I said, you have a right to be upset.

I just didn’t understand your statements. My bad.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 17:34

Exchanging Thoughts And Ideas
Thank you for your civil response.

Here is the kind discussion and discourse which will be the pattern for this Club. If I can be so bold. in order for all Club members to better understand what just happened here between Zorroloco and myself I will explain some of the "history" I alluded to in my post above.

Zorroloco has a very good reason to ask me about my comments concerning the other driver's heritage. He and I have had disagreement over this "issue" before.

So, when I challenged Z_L concerning his post I let him know exactly what issue upset me. Without any reference to any other issue.

In response, L_Z acknowledged my points and apologized. The misunderstanding was addressed, and now we're ready to move on.

Now I will share with you all a personal note I have been working on before this little clash.

As an example for everyone, and as a marker bar for myself and everyone else, I'm going to to offer Zorroloco a chance to be a Club moderator.

Because I don't want there to be any doubt about the bar I hope to set for TFTFS I will abide by Z_L fair sense of keeping issues SEPARATE from personal biases.

If I will require that from our members I should be able to abide by the same rules.
zorroloco
04-Jan-20, 17:44

Hmmm
Is that what just happened?

😱
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 18:15

Hmm . . .
No one of us can possibly "get it right" every time. It's my honest belief that we all can learn more than we know. Just as I believe others can help us in our life's journey - IF we allow them to.

Starting a new Club was a bit of a risk for me. As you may or may not know some of my ideas were not welcome at the last Club I was a member at.

Leaving All of that behind I had to make a fresh start. You say that you are not sure about my assessment above. I've been wrong before. Let's hope that isn't the case here.

I'm not going to suggest that you and I will now be in agreement about everything. I'm just hoping you will help me in my blind spots. Can you do that?
apatzer
04-Jan-20, 19:00

IHS
That was very admirable and also shows wisdom.

I would like to share something with you that may or may not be of service to you and others.

One thing that I have had to work on with myself throughout the years is, not to take offense (still working on it) I have given this much thought. I no longer get easily offended (concerning things directed to me) that is all part of not letting my ego rule over me. Ego is self and we ought not think highly of ourselves, (more than we should) I have learned that this is the inroads to allowing negativity to take hold.

I have a lot to learn. And would like you to remind me when I stray. It is important for us to be accountable to one another, for growth to take place.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 19:37

Hear Hear
Very timely and sound wisdom on your part, sir.

Thank YOU. These words should be posted to the Club profile page.



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