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inhis_service
03-Jan-20, 17:45

NFL'S Best
The other day my wife and I watched "Joe Montana Top 10 Games" on YouTube.

Wow, oh wow, did that bring back some memories. When Joe was with the San Francisco 49er's he brought up that team and won several Super Bowls.

Spoiler alert; the most memorable was the one against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals scored the go ahead touchdown. On the ensuing kickoff, Montana's 49er's found themselves on their 6 or 7 yard line and only 1:48 on the clock.
The Bengals couldn't hold.

Better than that in my estimation was when San Francisco traded Montana to the Kansas City Chiefs after a severe injury. The first time the two teams met later Joe got a little revenge.

"Joe Montana Named Top Clutch Quarterback Of All Time"

youtu.be

mo-oneandmore
04-Jan-20, 04:56

I have no doubt that Montana is among the greatest QBs of all time.

His ability to see, evaluate and act on the field position was likely the greatest of all quarterbacks.

After his ability to read the game, Montana was likely not the greatest of all time at anything considered essential for the greatest quarterback --- Joe Montana was merely 2 through 5 at almost everything except long-ball pass distance.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 09:09

We All Have Opinions . . .
Did an Internet search for "Joe Montana's NFL Records to Other Quarterbacks" and according to the analysis of someone who's job it is to measure the accomplishments of NFL quarterbacks Joe Montana tops all of them - except for Tom Brady.

www.nfl.com
mo-oneandmore
04-Jan-20, 13:57

It's true that most experts give Brady an edge over Montana, but Montana made a number of plays that are likely beyond Brady's or any other quarterbacks ability --- not that they weren't also beyond Montana's ability, but that's the way Montana played when the going got tough.

it was a bad idea to get ahead of Montana if there were still a few minutes left in the game, because he WAS and still is the greatest clutch QB of all time.
inhis_service
04-Jan-20, 15:47

That drive to excel in particularly adverse situations. That ability to lift the fire of competition and make your teammates believe that the impossible is but a word that doesn't apply to you. The intangible leadership ability which all men recognize when they see it.

The football gridiron is very much like a battle field. Great leaders accomplish great things.

Joe Montana was one such leader.

Thank you for your post.
zorroloco
05-Jan-20, 09:10

Patriots
Lose wildcard playoff game!!! Great news.

Go Seahawks.

mo-oneandmore
05-Jan-20, 09:13

No, zorro. Go 9ers --- all they need to do is beat the Seahawks again, duh.
zorroloco
05-Jan-20, 09:15

One
The teams split this year... both teams losing at home. First the Hawks have to beat those other birds today.
inhis_service
05-Jan-20, 14:43

This is good news!
<< Patriots
Lose wildcard playoff game!!! Great news. >>

Reminds me of when I used to hate the Dallas Cowboys. Now that I live in Texas I cheer for them.

Funny how that works. A perennial winning team like the Patriots are, and I disliked their winning.

The Cowboys were just plain good/ talented. So is New England, but I hear that they cheat. Is that why we hate them?
zorroloco
05-Jan-20, 15:06

They cheat
Which is not good
zorroloco
05-Jan-20, 17:40

Seahawks
Send the Eagles home.

Green Bay.... you’re next
mo-oneandmore
12-Jan-20, 06:07

It's too bad that the 49ers won't have an opportunity to slap Baltimore around this year now that the 6th seed Tennessee Titans did it for them.

And Baltimore's Heisman Trophy winning quarterback proved that he's well worth his weight in sacks (6), interceptions (3) and fumbles (1), huh?
inhis_service
12-Jan-20, 20:26

Four Teams Left . . .
And the champion for 2020 is . . .

Kansas City Chiefs in a blow out!
inhis_service
22-Jan-20, 15:06

Music To My Ears
"Chiefs Open As Favorites Over 49ers in Super Bowl LIV"

The matchup for Super Bowl LIV is set, and the Kansas City Chiefs hold a slight edge over the San Francisco 49ers in the early betting odds.

While the line opened at Chiefs -1 at Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook, it quickly shifted to Chiefs -1.5 at other sportsbooks. The over/under total also grew to 53.5 after starting at 52.5.


The Chiefs entered the season as betting favorites to win the Super Bowl, but were soon taken over by the New England Patriots after the team signed Antonio Brown. Meanwhile, the 49ers entered the season with Super Bowl odds that placed around the middle of the NFL field.

www.google.com
inhis_service
23-Jan-20, 19:51

More Beautiful Music
"4 reasons the Kansas City Chiefs will win the Super Bowl"

clutchpoints.com

"5 Reasons Why the Kansas City Chiefs Will Win Super Bowl LIV"

athlonsports.com
inhis_service
25-Jan-20, 20:44

"49ers in trouble? Super Bowl LIV will be a Chiefs blowout, a handful of NFL insiders say"

Super Bowl LIV is more than a week away, and already the 49ers are in trouble.

So says Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman, who canvassed NFL insiders to gauge which way the wind is blowing.

He has compiled a thoughtful, entertaining 10-point list that suggests the 49ers ought to batten down the hatches.

www.mercurynews.com
mo-oneandmore
26-Jan-20, 07:56

What I see is that the 49ers pretty much have everything that the nay-sayers are giving to the Kansas City team.

They (the niners) got speed, they got a quarterback, they got a handful of receivers and they got
a line on both sides.

And winning a football game doesn't require an abundance of "hit's" as much as it requires a team that can stay away from the hits.
The 49ers allusiveness will help the 49ers win the Super bowl --- not that the 49ers can't "hit" when they need to.
inhis_service
26-Jan-20, 18:49

@Mo-one
Your assessment appears to be sound. It reminded me of what they used to say about Mohammed Ali years ago; "Floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee". I know you can remember that.

If your 49er's can do that KC could be in trouble!

On the other hand, didn't the Chiefs whomp on San Francisco in week 3? Didn't watch the game, that's just what I heard.

That's being the case, a rematch could go two ways as I see it.

If the 49er's use that loss as a springboard that could surprise KC Especially if the Chiefs get a little over confident!

Or if the San Francisco team got the stuffing knocked out, oh, oh!

It should be a barn burner!
mo-oneandmore
27-Jan-20, 10:38

Cassus Clay
I watched Ali on TV during his Olympic game matches --- it was wild to see his domination.

Ali's " float like a butter fly, sting like a bee" was apparently an accurate warning for his opponents.
Buy our standards, of course "bee" might easily have been replaced with "freight train" --- Ali's reputation for "not having a punch" was not true, and one needs to appreciate the types of players that mouth talk was coming from --- George Foster and others who Ali had knocked-out before.

There's little doubt that if Ali had ever laid his "bee sting" on a laymen … … … well: think about a ten pound sledge hammer approaching light speed that's just kissed your nose if you want a better picture.

It was 1963 --- Clay and I were both 18 years old.
www.youtube.com


inhis_service
27-Jan-20, 14:19

Though I have watched the fight Ali had with Liston over and over. I have yet to really see the punch which knocked out Liston.

That phantom punch which incredibly some have suggested that the fight was fixed somehow!

That must have been the "sledge hammer" you referred to!
Could you see the punch? He was the greatest fighter IMO.

Who else could have been forced to stop fighting for as long as he did, and come back to win the title? Too bad for Joe Frazier. He was a champion as well.
mo-oneandmore
28-Jan-20, 19:01

IHS
<<<Though I have watched the fight Ali had with Liston over and over. I have yet to really see the punch which knocked out Liston. >>>

There's considerable stories that Liston threw the match, but I've watched the movie a few times myself and I truly believe Ali's hay-maker is there --- the announcer caught clays fast short right too.
And lets not forget that the Ali's final punch wasn't his hard first bee sting into Liston.

It happened just before 12:00 minute marker on the video during game round one.

www.youtube.com

thumper
28-Jan-20, 20:11

The right that dropped Liston came in from a low angle that was mostly blocked from camera view by Liston's body as his back was to the camera and blocked the view. If you watch closely, just to Liston's left you can see the punch coming up. It was almost like a martial arts reverse punch that came up from the hip and caught Liston flush and dropped him. Even so, I think the ref did a poor job of separating the fighters after Liston got up and didn't give clear instructions to the fighters to continue. Even with the confusion about the restart, Liston still had some good fight left in him and was game to continue but the ref stopped it too soon...
thumper
28-Jan-20, 20:20

Another thing I note is that every time Liston threw the left he would leave it hanging out there a bit too long. Ali saw this too and made him pay with a counter right. After watching the video for a second time I see that Ali did actually shoot the right from a higher angle than I first thought. He came right over the top of the hanging left.
mo-oneandmore
29-Jan-20, 08:24

thump
One must also note that Ali lands a nice one about a minute before his hay maker came in.

After Liston demonstrated to the ref that he was still (marginally) awake the fight continued for a few more seconds, but it was apparent that Liston was near-defenseless and barely knew where he was. Stopping the fight was an appropriate decision --- Liston would have likely have been knocked down more permanently during the last minute of round 1.
One can only imagine how many hard hits Mohammad Ali was capable of putting on a punching bag in a minute (200??). Ali's speed was overwhelming during the entire fight, and I damn sure wouldn't want Ali using my face for a minute of punching bag exercise --- How about you, Thump?
thumper
29-Jan-20, 10:00

Mo
<Ali's speed was overwhelming during the entire fight, and I damn sure wouldn't want Ali using my face for a minute of punching bag exercise --- How about you, Thump?>

That's a stupid question. Sure, Ali had good speed for a heavyweight but I'm not and never have been a world class, tier 1 heavyweight. I'm not a big guy. Even in my prime @ 5'10", 185 pounds with blazing hand speed a great chin and a 700ftlb punch, I wouldn't even consider stepping into the ring with a 6'3", 206 pound world heavyweight champion unless there was some serious financial payoff for the beating. Against someone who could deliver over 800ftlb strikes, I could absorb 2 maybe 3 flush hits before taking a nap so no worries about a minute long beatdown.

BTW, the punch that dropped Liston wasn't a 'hay maker'. It was a very well delivered and perfectly timed counter right cross right on the button.
mo-oneandmore
29-Jan-20, 11:17

Your: Ali had good speed for a heavyweightt

Good???

Time magazine once tested Ali for his "good for a heavy weight" speed .

They placed him in front of a sensing punch board next to a light bulb.

When the light turned on, Ali punched the board and returned to position jn 0.13 seconds --- that's blazing speed for a heavy weight or anybody else.
It's was less time than most people would need for their brain to register that the light was on.

mo-oneandmore
29-Jan-20, 11:37

Ihump
Do ya think ya could take two or three of these?

www.bing.com
thumper
29-Jan-20, 12:11

No-one
Now you're talking about a different type of punch and puncher. Tyson threw every punch with "bad intentions" and had deceptively fast and accurate hands. His punches were in the 1000+ftlb range. In my prime? One maybe two of those flush then it's lights out.

As of 2020, the current fastest reaction time recorded for human beings is .101 seconds and that's just to click a button their finger is already on. The average reaction time of human beings is around .215 seconds. This is determined by the amount of time it takes for people to react when given the proper signal to click.
The amount of time it takes for human beings to react may sometimes be affected if people know that they should react.

You're telling me that Ali could react, strike a blow and come back to reset in .13 seconds? The 'fastest' man in the world? I call BS. Just more Ali mystique and hype.
mo-oneandmore
29-Jan-20, 12:35

Oh well.

Maybe Ali's reaction time was just 0.102 seconds, thump.

Ali is generally considered to be the fastest heavyweight boxer of all time
zorroloco
02-Feb-20, 20:42

Great win
Kansas City

The one in Missouri
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