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inhis_service
07-Jan-20, 14:48

Trump's Deadly Message to Iran's Terrorist Regime
Trump's deadly message to Iran's terrorist Regime showed courageous leadership and foresight! Iranian terrorism has continued to kill innocent people and shown that Iran is not willing to commit to peaceful resolution within the Middle Eastern community.

Secretary of State Pompeo exclaimed that the previous presidential administrations policy of "appeasement" only emboldened Iranian terrorism.

"Secretary of State Pompeo blames current tension with Iran on 'Obama administration's appeasement'"

www.usatoday.com

"Pentagon vigorously defends Trump's decision to kill top Iranian general, and the intelligence behind it"

NO CHOICE: Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley have mounted an aggressive defense of the Jan. 3 drone strike that killed Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds force commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani, and are disputing criticism President Trump acted impulsively without fully considering the ramifications of the action.

"When we looked at this operation we knew there would be consequences. We knew there'd be risk. We knew that ahead of time. We didn't take any of it lightly," said Milley in an off-camera session with reporters at the Pentagon on Monday.

INTELLIGENCE WAS CLEAR, COMPELLING: While Democrats in Congress have been questioning the veracity of the U.S. intelligence indicating Soleimani was planning an imminent attack that would have cost hundreds of American lives, Milley, the nation's top general, was adamant that Trump had to act.

"I've seen words like, oh, the intel was "razor thin." Very, very few people saw that intelligence. He and I saw that intelligence," Milley said referring to Esper. "I'll stand by the intelligence I saw — that was compelling, it was imminent, and it was very, very clear in scale, scope."

"I know what I saw," Milley said. "Those of us who were involved in the decision making of that, we would have been culpably negligent to the American people had we not made the decision we made."

www.washingtonexaminer.com

"Of Course: Democrats Put Partisan Politics Before National Security in Response to Soleimani Strike"

conservativefiringline.com

"CNN military analyst rips Senate Democrat's criticism of Soleimani strike: 'Just be quiet'"

www.foxnews.com
zorroloco
07-Jan-20, 15:07

It takes no courage
To start a war if you’re the worlds superpower.

According to Sun Tzu, war is only justifiable when all possible alternatives have been completely exhausted. Only when you are threatened by an enemy with military action should you resort to armed conflict. And even then, a direct clash of arms is to avoided.
ptitroque
07-Jan-20, 15:41

Trump's deadly message !
As for me, it's worse than a crime, it's a mistake (paraphrising Talleyrand)
The USA englue themselves in a terrible situation : they will be hated by most of the world (including most of the European population), feared (with cause !) but hatred.

And for which result ? If you believe that Iran will stop its nuclear program after that, you're wrong. If you think that they won't revenge, you're wrong as well.

Trump never considers things from the others point of view, like a poor chess player, he only things to what he can do and not at what the other player could do !

Shall I remember you that the USA are responsible from the actual mess in the Middle East. Iraq used to be a counterpower to Iran, now, both countries are more or less allied against the USA and this situation leads to a new war.

The US, by provoking a war, have create a situation which necessitates more wars... This is costly, cruel, criminal and absurd.
inhis_service
07-Jan-20, 19:06

Leftist Smack Talk
<< According to Sun Tzu, war is only >>

The terrorist which no longer posses a threat - directly as the result of decisive thought and action by President Trump - has been dealt with as he needed to be dealt with.

Ambivalent and uncertain declaration of repercussions about how terrorists will be stooped and neutralized only gives them encouragement to continue in their agenda.

Other terrorists will be more circumferential when threatening American interests as a result of the president's message.
zorroloco
07-Jan-20, 19:34

Yeah
So Iran sure seems cowed!

Iran fired as many as 15 ballistic missiles into Iraq, targeting U.S. military and coalition forces early Wednesday, officials said, in a major retaliation by the rogue regime after the U.S. airstrike that killed Iranian Quds Force Gen. Qassem Soleimani last week.

Ten missiles hit Al-Assad Air Base, one missile hit a military base in Erbil and four missiles failed to hit their targets, according to a U.S. military spokesman for Central Command, responsible for American forces in the Middle East. The attacks unfolded in two waves, each about an hour apart.

inhis_service
08-Jan-20, 11:36

<< The US, by provoking a war, have create a situation which necessitates more wars... This is costly, cruel, criminal and absurd. >>

This terrorist regeime has been at war against the free world and America for over 25 years. Its way past due for this war to come to an end.

"30 Years Of Appeasing Iran"

Iran—an avowed enemy of the United States since 1979—is, by most accounts, close to acquiring an atomic bomb. The Islamic dictatorship has previously threatened the U.S. with a pre-emptive strike and annihilation.

Since Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shah and sanctioned an attack on the U.S. embassy—seizing American prisoners (dubbed “hostages”) in an act of war in 1979—the two countries have fought a proxy war. With assassinations, hijackings and bombings, including the single worst attack on U.S. Marines since World War 2 Iran has consistently been on the offensive, waging a systematic war on America.

www.cnsnews.com

This Iranian general had become a dangerous rogue for everyone in the Middle East. Now that he's gone Iran is no longer the threat he has been. Now American troops can be withdrawn as President Trump has been promising to do.

Iranian leaders will do a little more sabre rattling, but, like N Korea they will make a deal with America. Trump and America wins!

This general was very hated and now the people celebrate!

"Iranians and Iraqis Celebrate: Thank Trump For Air Strike That Killed Military General"

Iranians and Iraqis are celebrating after the Pentagon, under the direction of President Trump, carried out an air strike in Baghdad that killed Iranian military leader Qasem Soleimani.

The action came in response to an Iran-led attack on the US embassy in Iraq.

Soleimani, the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, a designated terror group since 2007, was despised by many in Iran, and by Iraqis who have been subject to a campaign of terror in their own country at the hands of forces operating in lockstep with the Iranian military.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had deemed Soleimani equally as dangerous as Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

www.prisonplanet.com
ptitroque
08-Jan-20, 13:48

@ Inhis
And which justification do you have for Iraq and Libya, where the situation is, at the very best, chaotic, at worse a nightmare (slavery, rapes...) ?

It's the same policy everywhere, leading to misery, dependence, corrupted states and, as a consequence, violent movements (religious or nationalist or communists or whatever...) which necessitate a new war, sorry, not a war ! An "intervention".

It seems that there might be some appeasement. The dominant males have taken the measure of each other... each one has his population relatively satisfied. Maybe the dominant males will calm themselves... Hopefully
zorroloco
08-Jan-20, 14:13

Ihs
Hated? By some, yes. But to say he was despised

Qassem Soleimani was a popular national figure in Iran. According to a poll conducted by the University of Maryland School of Public Policy, by October 2019 Soleimani was viewed favorably by 82% of Iranians with 59% of them very favorable toward him.

“To Middle Eastern Shiites, he is James Bond, Erwin Rommel and Lady Gaga rolled into one,” wrote former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack in a profile for Time's 100 most influential people in 2017.

The people celebrate???

A procession in Tehran on Monday in response to Soleimani’s death
drew more than 1 million people in Iran's capital, crowding main thoroughfares and side streets. Emergency services in Kerman blamed high levels of congestion and overcrowding for the deaths.
inhis_service
08-Jan-20, 14:59

@ptitreoque
<< And which justification do you have for Iraq and Libya, where the situation is, at the very best, chaotic, at worse a nightmare (slavery, rapes...) ? >>

Equating the criminal activities of a corrupt and disputable president to the courageous and promise keeping current president is indicative of the propaganda you are listening to.

"OBAMA AUTHORIZED CIA TO FUND AL-QAEDA OVERTHROW OF LIBYA"

President floods radical jihadists with cash and weapons

www.infowars.com

"Obama Authorized CIA Overthrow of Lybia"

youtu.be

<< It's the same policy everywhere, leading to misery, dependence, corrupted states and, as a consequence, violent movements (religious or nationalist or communists or whatever...) which necessitate a new war, sorry, not a war ! An "intervention". >>

"INTERVENTION"!! You're not paying attention, sir.

President Trump's promises during his campaign to"stop the endless wars" has been kept. Since becoming president he has skillfully avoided war against Syria, North Korea and Iran. Especially that Iranian regime, though they have been provoking a confrontation constantly!

Everyone's saying what a "mistake" it was to attack that blood thirsty terrorist.

You watch, Iran knows President Trump's not an appeaser like Obama was. They're not going to challenge him.

This president WILL keep his promises. For good or ill.
zorroloco
08-Jan-20, 17:38

Ihs
Wow.

In this unstable, volatile and chaotic world, full of uncertainty and doubt, it’s nice to know I can count on you.
zorroloco
08-Jan-20, 17:47

Terrorist regime
I wonder how you define that term, “terrorist regime.”

Do you happen to know who the largest arms dealer in the world is?

www.army-technology.com

Do you know who gets those arms?

www.statista.com

When the arms are used by despotic governments to terrorize, doesn’t that make us complicit in terrorism? Something about stones and glass houses comes to mind.

This has nothing to do with this topic, I’m just pointing out that the term you used applies to us as well as them.
mo-oneandmore
09-Jan-20, 04:20

There's no question that arms marketing is big business, zorro.

I was amazed that N. Korea was exporting over $ 1 Trillion in arms, but, of course, America always has first place.

Hm-mm? How do we define terrorism???
And how about those 2-million women and children we murdered in Vietnam, huh?
And what about those fire bombe we dropped on German cities?
And what about … … …? Hm-mm? "terrorism".

I wonder if NK, China and/or Russia will be selling Nukes to Iran next month? That would bring-in some big profits, huh?
inhis_service
09-Jan-20, 06:27

@Zorro
<< In this unstable, volatile and chaotic world, full of uncertainty and doubt, it's nice to know I can count on you. >>

Your political and ideological world view is vastly different than mine, and I understand you are very much opposed to Trump and his policies. Saying that to say even though you do not care for the politrical and ideological world view of this president, I mentioned the fact of his fulfilling the campaign promises regarding putting America first for a reason. Which other persident do you know who has kept their word to the American people?

<< Qassem Soleimani was a popular national figure in Iran. According to a poll conducted by the University of Maryland School of Public Policy, by October 2019 Soleimani was viewed favorably by 82% of Iranians with 59% of them very favorable toward him. >>

Your sympathetic view of the Iranian people who according to this study had a favorable perspective of this general does not take into consideration the perspective of the families left behind from Soleimani's terrorist attacks. You seem to be preferring to advocate for this man rather than to acknowledge the atrocities he was responsible for.

War is not good for anybody! I understand that. I wished this was not happening, also. But it is, and more to the point, do you support or would you rather that Iran have their wish - "DEATH TO AMERICA" - or now that this war is going would you rather for America to find a way to make peace with Iran (as President Trump is trying to get Iran to do) or for Iran to get revenge on America?

<< "To Middle Eastern Shiites, he is James Bond, Erwin Rommel and Lady Gaga rolled into one," wrote former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack in a profile for Time's 100 most influential people in 2017. >>

"Islamic Terror
on American Soil"

www.thereligionofpeace.com

"The Iranian revolution and its legacy of terrorism"

www.brookings.edu

"Proxy Power: Understanding Iran's Use of Terrorism"

www.brookings.edu

<< The people celebrate??? >>

"Iranians call for celebrations over Soleimani's death, bake cakes thanking President Trump"

in-other-news.us

"Iranians and Iraqis celebrate Soleimani's death — as American Dems lament airstrike"

www.theamericanmirror.com

Why the Celebrations???

"Human Rights and the Iranian Regime"

www.state.gov

"'Paying for the bullet': A demonic Iranian regime tradition"

www.jns.org

"A new generation wants an end to the Islamic Republic of Iran"

www.israelnationalnews.com
zorroloco
09-Jan-20, 07:06

Ihs
Kept his word???

www.politifact.com

Trump pledged to boost growth, balance the books, build a wall, slash America's trade deficit — particularly with China — renegotiate the Iran deal, and denuclearize North Korea. To the extent that he has delivered on the first, it is by cheating. On all the rest, he's failed miserably. That's not necessarily bad for the country, but it does confirm he's a fake.

I do have a sympathetic view of the Persian people...I’ve known many and found them to be wonderful people and have been told by several travelers that it was the most hospitable and friendly country they’ve even traveled in.

But “ You seem to be preferring to advocate for this man” misses the point of my post. I wasn’t advocating for him, or in any way minimizing what he’s done. I’m just pointing out that what you said about him being despised in Iran is simply false... sure, some hated him, but he was very popular in Iran. That’s important because we’ve now made him a martyr and he looks to be able to cause more harm to the world as a martyr than as a general.
inhis_service
09-Jan-20, 11:18

@Zorroloco
Looking deeper into your Politifact website I found these interesting websites which portray Politifact as a very biases and Leftist leaning information source.

"PolitiFact Is Guilty of Fact Abuse"

www.newsmax.com

"Politifact BIAS"
PolitiFact's "Pants on Fire" bias in 2019

www.politifactbias.com

"Conflict of Interest: PolitiFact and the Clinton Foundation Share Megadonor"

www.washingtonexaminer.com

With all of this very untruthful reporting and yellow journalism reporting on the president it is no wonder American are getting a skewed view of his presidency! Wonder what other less dishonest journalists have to say about the President Trump's accomplishments?

Okay, a popular man in Iran. Speak to the politics of Iran and its relationship to America and the rest of the free world, please. How else are we going to put the differences between the two countries aside, and move forward?
ptitroque
10-Jan-20, 11:44

Gentlemen !
You can argue as long as you wish, for you'll never know.

Never know what the actors intentions really were.
Never know if they were direct exchanges between the protagonists and, if it was the case, what they have told.
Never know who really decides ? Alone ? Which advisers ?
Never know the real casualties.
Never know if some people in Iran have had interest to the death of Soleimani and could have agreed to the assassination.

So that anybody can interpret things according to its own point of view.
inhis_service
10-Jan-20, 11:48

But We Can Get Specific On Policies and What These Policies
Will mean to the countries involved.

<< Okay, a popular man in Iran. Speak to the politics of Iran and its relationship to America and the rest of the free world, please. How else are we going to put the differences between the two countries aside, and move forward? >>

I ask YOU, these questions, Ptitroque
ptitroque
10-Jan-20, 12:32

@inhis
about your above question : It will be to long a post, I'll probably have to make several.

1. Founding of actual Iran :

Iran : The Shah is fired - undoubtely a popular and legitime upraisal : he was a dictator, letteing the West do what they want in this country (note that the cuban revolution started for the same reasons).

The people who managed to take the might after the revolution were the religious ones.
They founded a theocracy.

2. Geographical situation :

Full of mountains, easy to defend.
Iran has oil, and probably other minerals and is, therefore, a rich country.
Important culture (language, poetry...)
It refers to a glorious past (Persian empire...)
Neighbour from Russia (an advantage and a drawback, for Russia has tended to invade all its neighbours, since a couple of centuries.
One of the 4 main powers of the Middle East (with Turkey, Iraq and SA).

3. Political situation :
The West and more parlucularly the USA hate you because you fired the Shah.

Next to following post





inhis_service
10-Jan-20, 16:43

@ptitreoque
Do you really want to give me a history lesson?!

Just tell me what you think about what needs to be done between Iran and America to make peace and get back with living our lives W/O war?
inhis_service
10-Jan-20, 18:38

Patriots Are In Control
President Trump's peerless leadership as he takes back control of the country from the Democrats and the Deep State is stunning to witness!

While the desparate and Illegal Impeachment Charade is shriveling up like a snow ball on a hot griddle, the Iranian regimine menace fades away like a sunset.

President Trump's promises of returning America to the American people are being fully realized!

youtu.be

MAGA

USA! USA! USA!
ptitroque
10-Jan-20, 18:57

@ Inhis
OK.

Just consider how does this country works, what want those people ? How would I react, if I where in their position ?

Obviously, Iran wants to develop and acquire might over the Middle East. Is it illegitimate ? When you're the most powerful nation in the world, you can hardly consider that wanting to be mighty is illegitimate, or, maybe yes, you see things so, because all the might that less powerful nations acquire implies less might for you, so that everything Iran does is against US interest. In fact, if a nation gets powerful and refuses to be a vassal, they are an enemy (same for Iraq). One has to accept your superiority.

Then, why should you care about what happens in Middle East ? If Iran and SA want to fight, isn't it their problem ? But there is oil there and plenty of money to make... and to lose, so that the mightiest nations of the world have to get involved in the area.

Religion is an issue because it's used for political purposes, to acquire might, federate the folk... both in Iran and in the USA !

Generally speking, cooperation, exchanges... are the best way to appease the tensions.

inhis_service
10-Jan-20, 19:35

@Ptitroque
The post I just put up makes your points of view irrelevant!

This "skirmish" between America and Iran is over!

President Trump has broken through to get Iran to start a new relationship with America. It's just like what happened with N Korea, the president has negotiated with the Iranian leader in such a way that he is ready for peace.

More to the main point, the president has broken through the Deep State's blatant attempts to take down the American Republic. America, onxe more is being ruled in the Interests of the American people!

Watch the video.
zorroloco
11-Jan-20, 08:01

Deleted by inhis_service on 11-Jan-20, 10:05.
inhis_service
11-Jan-20, 10:07

Saying disparaging things about people is not allowed on this Club.

How exactly am I "wacked"? Better be specific, or you may not get another chance.
zorroloco
11-Jan-20, 10:25

ihs
“trump’s peerless leadership?’

Seems like totally unsubstantiated sycophancy to me. This level of adulation is unwarranted and myopic.

When I consider carefully your unreasonable level of devotion to trump, your continued belief in many scientifically unsubstantiated postulates (flat Earth, giants, literal Bible stories, climate change denial, creationism), as well as the many unsubstantiated conspiracy beliefs you have (too many to list here), I’m occasionally led to question your ability to reason accurately.

That’s all I meant to say.

zorroloco
12-Jan-20, 07:40

Back on topic
The crisis between the US and Iran is far from over

(CNN) — This new decade's consequential first weeks began with the United States openly targeting and killing a foreign military leader for the first time since World War II. They ended with the tragic, unintended cost of conflict -- Iran admitting it mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board.

In an extraordinary mea culpa on Iranian state television Saturday, the commander of the unit responsible said "I wished I was dead," when he realized that what his unit thought was a cruise missile was actually a plane.
Ukraine is demanding a full investigation and compensation for the victims -- mostly Iranian, Canadian and Ukrainian -- who died when the airliner was shot out of the sky, hours after Iran launched a number of missiles at two bases housing US troops in Iraq.

Related: US unsuccessfully targeted another Iranian military official
Now what? How are the families of the passengers and crew compensated for this unbearable loss? And how do US and Iranian government leaders, now in direct and open military confrontation for the first time since Iran's Islamic Revolution, map a route out of this crisis?

There are still many unanswered questions about the evidence of "imminent and sinister attacks" against Americans that led the US to kill General Qasem Soleimani last week. Republican senators, Mike Lee and Rand Paul, joined Democrats complaining about the Trump administration's briefing to Congress. Lee called it: "The worst briefing I've seen -- at least on a military issue -- in my nine years."

General Qasem Soleimani photographed on September 14, 2013.
General Qasem Soleimani photographed on September 14, 2013.

Congress also wants to know whether Soleimani was targeting four US embassies before he was killed, as Trump told Fox News on Friday. It will also seek to find out if the US's aim was broader. On the same day the US killed Soleimani in Baghdad, it tried unsuccessfully to kill another senior Iranian military official in Yemen.
In the meantime, the latest USA Today poll since these hostilities started, say Americans do not feel safer since Iran's top general was killed.
The poll found that 55% of Americans say the killing of Soleimani makes the US less safe, while 57% oppose the threat of US airstrikes on Iran's cultural sites and 53% support Congress limiting Trump's ability to order military strikes. Elsewhere, anti-Americanism has soared around the world since Trump took office, according to new Pew research published Wednesday.
The US's European and NATO allies do not support Trump's latest strikes on Iran, nor pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal. It's notable that Germany's Angela Merkel went to Moscow Saturday to visit Russian President Vladimir Putin to try to defuse the current crisis. She did not go to Washington.

So, is the crisis between Iran and the US over? No, it is not.

President Donald Trump has announced a new raft of sanctions against Iran. He said in his address Wednesday that, "the US will immediately impose additional punishing economic sanctions ... these powerful sanctions will remain until Iran changes its behavior. In recent months alone, Iran has seized ships in international waters, fired an unprovoked strike on Saudi Arabia and shot down two American drones."

Related: How Pompeo convinced Trump to kill Soleimani and fulfilled a decade-long goal
He called on Europe and Russia and the rest of the world to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal, while also calling on them to join him in making a new deal with Iran.

"We must all work together toward making a deal with Iran that makes the world a safer and more peaceful place," Trump said. "We also must make a deal that allows Iran to thrive and prosper, and take advantage of its enormous untapped potential."

The extraordinary direct military confrontation between the US and Iran may be over for now, but Iranian leaders are pushing their longtime political agenda.

In his televised address on Wednesday, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei insisted: "Military action this way, that's not sufficient. What matters is that the presence of America ... that should come to an end."

And the more moderate President Hassan Rouhani, who was elected in 2013 on his promise to negotiate with the US and improve Iran's relations with the world, backed up Khamenei's message in his own tweet.
Also on Wednesday, in his address to the nation, Trump made remarks that seemed to indicate he too was looking for ways to reduce the US military presence in the region.

President Donald Trump addresses the nation from the White House on Wednesday, January 8, 2020.
President Donald Trump addresses the nation from the White House on Wednesday, January 8, 2020.

"Today I am going to ask NATO to become much more involved in the Middle East process ... America has achieved energy independence ... We are independent and we do not need Middle East oil," he said.

What message does that send to America's Gulf allies, like the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia who depend on the US's military umbrella? As a precaution, they are dialing down their hostility and dialing up their diplomatic overtures to Iran.

US Defense Secretary Mark Esper had told me that the US wanted to deescalate the crisis.

"We are not looking to start a war with Iran, but we are prepared to finish one. As I've told my many colleagues ... over the last few days, what we would like to see is the situation de-escalated and for Iran to sit down with us to begin a discussion about a better way ahead. We think that's the best approach at this point in time."

While America's allies -- and even its adversaries -- caution against starting another war in the Middle East, it is difficult to see where the opening for discussion, negotiation and a diplomatic solution is right now.

On Tuesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo insisted that the Trump administration's policy would be to confront and contain Iran, but these can be two competing ideas.

Either you confront or you contain, Democratic Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin told me. Slotkin, an expert on Shia militias, served three tours of duty alongside US forces in Iraq as a CIA analyst.

She also warned that unless the Trump administration draws up a proper diplomatic strategy, war could still be an accidental consequence of its actions.

"I don't actually question the Secretary of Defense, or even the President's intent that they don't want to get into a war," she told me. "But most wars are not intended.

"Most wars, you get this tit-for-tat that goes in this spiral, and then suddenly each side has its back up and you can't back down, and you inadvertently fall into war," she said.

"I think we are at very high risk of doing right now. So, it's not just about intent. It's our actions mean something beyond our control," Slotkin said.

The irony of Qasem Suleimani's death
The irony of Qasem Suleimani's death 15:53

So what happens now that the President seems to have doubled down on his "maximum pressure" policy against Iran and continues to enforce harsh sanctions?

Iran has called past rounds of sanctions "economic terrorism," and "economic warfare" by the US ever since Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal with Iran, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA.)

Former military and government officials tell me that US intelligence had predicted last year that Iran would react to sanctions by attacking shipping in the Gulf and oil facilities in Saudi Arabia. The attacks happened but Iran denied any involvement. The sources believe the violence is unlikely to end if the Trump administration policies remain the same.

It is clear from Pompeo's statements after Soleimani's killing that he and the Trump administration are continuing to push for a popular uprising against the Islamic Republic. In other words, they're angling for regime change, despite publicly saying it is not their aim.

Whatever the administration's goal, the millions pouring onto the streets of Iran for four straight days of national mourning this week in the wake of Soleimani's killing, have demonstrated what Iranian Vice President for Women and Family Affairs Massoumeh Ebtekar told me: "This is a very clear indication of the response of the Iranian nation and the fact that the presence of the people, the huge crowds are staggering.

"And even for us -- we've been taking part in many of these marches and demonstrations from the beginning of the revolution -- this is something else. From one city to another city, it is a resurrection," she said.

"It's a revival of the Islamic Revolution," she added. "It's a revival of the Iranian nation."

Iranian VP: US made a serious miscalculation
Iranian VP: US made a serious miscalculation 15:57

One top US source and former military commander told me that -- for now -- the Trump administration has united the Iranian nation around an unpopular regime.

However, on Saturday there were protests in Tehran against the government after Iran admitted responsibility for the Ukrainian plane crash. Chants of "resignation is not enough, the responsible must be tried" and "IRGC, resignation, resignation. Leave the power," were raised.

Related: Iranian protesters take to streets after Tehran
But as for Esper's contention that the US wants "Iran to sit down with us to begin a discussion about a better way ahead." How is that likely to be received?

Iranian Vice President Ebtekar says reformists like herself, Mohammad Javad Zarif and Rouhani, have been burned on that front too, by Trump pulling out of the JCPOA.

By doing so, she says, he "gave the message that the American government is not looking for peace and security, is not looking for a multilateral resolution ... The time for negotiations has passed, unfortunately."

It remains to be seen whether diplomacy can and will be resumed in the future, whether the US-led fight against ISIS will continue in Iraq and Syria, and whether Iraq itself will become a new battlefield where Iran and Russia, will be the winners.

The Speaker of Iraq's Parliament said the country's government must condemn both US and Iranian military action there, and refuse "to allow the conflicting parties to try to use the Iraqi arena to settle their scores."

By week's end the Iraqi government was again insisting the US should make preparations to withdraw forces from their country, which was Soleimani and Iran's ultimate goal.

Of course, the US killing of Soleimani could end up deterring Iran and setting the table for a win-win diplomatic solution for a better future. It's just hard to see that from here.
inhis_service
12-Jan-20, 11:17

Quite A Book
To read here!

A few links would have been nice.
zorroloco
12-Jan-20, 11:23

Reading
Is kinda important if you want to learn things
inhis_service
12-Jan-20, 15:29

"TRUMP HAS BEEN PROVED RIGHT ABOUT IRAN"

In Iran, a revolt has erupted in up to 100 towns and cities. The uprising is considered so serious that the regime shut down the internet for five days.

From Britain and Europe, however, there has been only the most lukewarm response. There are two reasons for this. The first is a refusal to accept that Iran poses the threat that it does. Partly this is because, rightly or wrongly, people still feel taken for a ride over the Iraq war. And partly it’s because the most immediate threat posed by Iran is to Israel and people either don’t care about Israel’s fate or assume it will take care of Iran by itself.

Many have also been fooled by the urbane face of Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Zarif, or its president, Hassan Rouhani. Yet the only person who matters is the implacable religious fanatic who controls Iran, the supreme leader Ali Khamenei.

So Britain has looked the other way, even when its soldiers were being killed in Iraq by Iranian roadside bombs. When President Trump took the US out of the nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions, Britain along with the EU tried every ruse to undermine sanctions and continue to trade with Tehran.

Which leads to the second reason for the indifferent response to this revolt. It has been provoked by the damage done to Iran by the reimposed sanctions. And among the legions of Trump-haters there is absolutely nothing this president could ever do for which he would be given any credit.

To read my whole Times column (£), please click here. (1)

(1). www.thetimes.co.uk

www.melaniephillips.com

Iranian religous fanatical leaders have taken over the country which has determined that the use of terrorism is a legitimate political policy.

"Senior ayatollah says Iran must engage in “widespread fighting” with the West for the Hidden Imam to reappear"

"[The Quran says:] ‘Fight them so there is no discord, and religion in its entirety is to Allah.'”

That’s Qur’an 8:39. Ayatollah Mirgabheri is saying that jihad warfare against non-Muslims is a sacred duty, and thus is a responsibility that cannot be set aside for negotiations — a point that consistently eludes establishment counterterror “experts.”

THE COMPLETE INFIDEL'S GUIDE TO IRAN (1) contains the Shi’ite prophecies that the Hidden Imam will not return until the Muslims are suffering unprecedented persecution. The Iranian leadership has more than once spoken about provoking this denouement by attacking Israel and/or the U.S., so as to bring on a counterattack that would trigger the return of the Hidden Imam. Western analysts routinely dismiss religious statements from jihadis; in the context of the Islamic Republic of Iran (and in other contexts as well), they do so at their and our peril.

(1). www.amazon.com

www.jihadwatch.org

The Iranian people who are having to deal with the oppressive religous madness of this leader are trying to revolt and gain their freedoms, but NOBODY'S paying attention.

"Iran is on fire"

Protesters literally burned down one of their central bank buildings to protest government price hikes on subsidized fuel.

Right now their entire internet has been shutdown in an attempt stop protesters from coordinating via social media.

Updated at 10:17 AM ET, Mon November 18, 2
(CNN) — Iran has gone almost entirely offline as authorities try to stem the spread of nationwide protests that have gripped the country since Friday.
Protesters took to the streets shortly after the government announced an increase in fuel prices by as much as 300%. Social media images showed banks, petrol stations and government buildings set ablaze by rioters. Some protesters chanted "down with Khamenei," according to videos, referring to the country's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The internet blackout started on Saturday evening and continued through Monday, according to internet watchdogs. Oracle's Internet Intelligence called it the "largest internet shutdown ever observed in Iran."

Several protesters have been killed in the demonstrations, according to government officials. Khamenei, who has backed the fuel price hikes, has blamed the riots on external forces.

I don't know why nobody is talking about this. When was the last time you saw an entire country shut off from the internet after protesters literally burned down their central bank?

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The bleeding hearted Progressives and Communists which are trying to appease this fanaticism are criticizing the American president for doing what needs to be done!

If it ends up leading to another world war that still doesn't mean he was wrong.


zorroloco
12-Jan-20, 15:35

And there you have it
“If it ends up leading to another world war that still doesn't mean he was wrong.”

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