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 Methodist church schism(CNN) A diverse group of leaders in the United Methodist Church proposed a plan last Friday to split the church into two denominations. If the plan is approved by delegates to the church's general conference this May, the main body of the United Methodist Church would recognize the dignity of LGBTQ people, and a new "traditionalist" Methodist denomination would peel off to continue in a separate branch what they see as the "tradition" of exclusion, banning same sex marriage and LGBTQ people from the clergy. This is not the first time American Methodists have split over the issue of human dignity. The predecessor to today's United Methodist Church split over the issue of slavery in 1844 and did not reunite until 1939. |
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Sound Doctrine Gives Way To LGBT Agenda Unfortunately this is not where our focus should be. The Methodist Church traditionally has been known as a Christian denomination because of their adherance to traditional Christian doctrines. These doctrines are plainly spelled out in regards to the Biblical stance towards people who have identified themselves as being part of theLGBT community. The Christian Church has an obligation to help all people, including anyone who is LGBT. Help includes discipling into a more personal relationship with God and His Kingdom. Which is quite otherwise than compromising with the expressed will of God! "Can you be queer, homosexual, lgbt and be a Christian?" Is it possible to be queer, homosexual, lgbt, and be a Christian? There are two different ways in which the question can be understood and answered. One is yes and the other is no. Let me explain.. Homosexuality/LGBT is sinful because it goes against the nature of God. A person cannot be a true Christian and also be queer, homosexual, LGBT if that person does not see these things as sinful, but instead practices them and supports them. The promotion of such sins would be in direct contradiction to Scripture. Therefore, in this sense, a person could not be both a Christian and also queer, homosexual, LGBT. On the other hand, a person can be a true Christian and also be queer, homosexual, LGBT if we understand the phrase "be queer, homosexual, LGBT," to mean that the person struggles with same-sex attraction, but knows they are sinful and is struggling against them. In this last sense, the person still has those attractions but recognizes that they are ungodly and sinful and works towards resisting them. It is similar to asking if a person can be a sinner and still be a Christian. In one sense, yes, and in another sense, no. Yes, a person can be a sinner and still be a Christian because all Christians are sinners even though they are warring against their sin and seeking to avoid it. carm.org "What Does the Bible Say About Gays and Homosexuality? - The Christian Response" Obviously, it is not a Christian virtue to hate people who sin. Christians are not against people who practice homosexuality (just as Christians are not anti-liars; we simply affirm that lying is wrong). Likewise, Christians are not against the people who become ensnared by homosexuality. www.christianity.com "LGBT Christians" May 29, 2018A Christian is not a LGBT Christian, any more than he or she is a fornicating Christian, or a drunkard Christian, or an idolater Christian. I am left wondering if the people behind the Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender and those speakers scheduled for the Revoice conference truly believe those words. biblethumpingwingnut.com |
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pawntificator 17-Jan-20, 16:14 |
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Great answer, Itisyoustand! Let's get this out in the open, Zorroloco! As a professing Atheist you are going to put up every counter argument and objection to the Christian faith and beliefs which you can think of. This Club is predicated on premises that the members may "exercise their free speech rights". Which certainly you are entitled to. However, you are also a Club Moderator. As such shouldn't you also be involved with helping with running/ managing the Club? As an objective and non partisan member. Lately it seems like in every way possible, you have taken a contrary stance towards ALL of my posts. I'm not asking you to be a "yes man", but have I made a mistake in giving you a platform for attacking me and my faith? That was not my intention by no means! I was thinking about diversity and inclusion of a wide range of views and perspectives. Instead you have evidently determined to debate with me every chance you can. How is that not trolling? We have discussed several issues while you've been here. In ALL those discussions you have not acknowledged yet alone conceded to me one point. You ignore my questions except to disparage them. This is trolling. After reading your question above I found several answers which I could share. Instead I ask you about the issues about trolling and your lack of impartiality on this Club. Please, address those issues first. |
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pawntificator 17-Jan-20, 17:28 |
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Ihs I’m sorry though... I don’t mean to troll. I’m merely bringing up objections to the things you say. |
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pawntificator 17-Jan-20, 19:35 |
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Ihs You should welcome my arguments as ways to fine tune your beliefs, hone your argument points and increase post counts. Instead, it seems to bother you. Do you want a forum or a one way broadcast of your views? |
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Psalm 119:89 & Matthew 24:35 Isityoustand's comment about the Old Testament is accurate because the whole entire Bible is about Christ Jesus. The Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not multiple personalities, but wholly in tune with one another - always have been and will continue to be so through eternity. More to the point of my original assertions, denominations which compromise with the world regarding the traditional doctrines of the Biblical interpretation do err because compromise lowers or diminishes God's expectations as clearly stated throughout the Scriptures. And it brings into questions God's faithfulness. Can God be trusted, or can we negotiate on His principles. To substantiate my assertions a few outside links now. "What Did Jesus Teach about Homosexuality?" First, there are many ethical issues about which Jesus made no explicit statement. That observation hardly means that his moral vision has no relevance to those issues. Jesus never said anything explicit about abortion, same-sex marriage, or child molestation. But it would be an incredible claim to conclude from that fact that Jesus’s teaching is irrelevant to our ethical assessment of those issues. Second, Jesus did speak explicitly about sexual immorality in general and the nature of marriage. He denounced the former (e.g., Matt. 5:28; 15:19) and defined the latter according to Genesis 2:24: “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5 AT; par. Mark 10:7–8). Jesus affirmed the covenanted union of one man and one woman as the only normative expression of human sexuality. It is incredible to suggest that these words from Jesus have no bearing on the question of homosexuality. They surely do. Jesus vs. Paul Here is another iteration of the hermeneutical cage match that is so popular today—the view that Jesus and Paul are fundamentally at odds over a variety of ethical issues. On the one side is Jesus: peace-loving, enemy-forgiving, egalitarian, and inclusive with regard to homosexuals. On the other side is Paul: war-loving, death penalty–supporting, patriarchal, and exclusionary with regard to homosexuals. Whereas Jesus was all love and tolerance, Paul was about “wrath” and intolerance. And so the slogan from the T-shirt appears to be vindicated. Despite the hang-ups of people like Paul, Jesus was not a homophobe. A False Fight Those who stage hermeneutical cage matches between Paul and Jesus are staging a contest that neither Jesus nor Paul would ever have tolerated. The approach tends to undermine the New Testament’s claim to be a normative basis for ethics by making the black letters subservient to the red letters. At the end of the day, this argument is not about the color of letters but about the nature of Scripture. Those who wish to establish biblical authority over the long haul will avoid the cage-match approach. And those who truly wish to be red-letter Christians will heed the words of Paul and the other apostolic authors of Scripture as the very words of Christ. www.crossway.org "Jesus’ “Hidden” Teaching on Homosexuality" It turns out that Jesus had strong convictions about subjects closely related to the so-called “pelvic” issues. Jesus condemned divorce, for example, and He did so for a very specific reason. Here’s what He said: Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? [Gen. 2:24] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. (Matt. 19:4–6) Note three critical takeaways from Jesus’ teaching on divorce. First, Jesus affirmed the common-sense observation that human gender is binary. Human beings are either male or female. God designed them that way (Gen. 1:27). That’s how we reproduce (“Be fruitful and multiply,” Gen. 1:28). Some people are confused on that point nowadays, but Jesus was not confused. www.str.org "Did Jesus ever address homosexuality?" www.studyyourbibleonline.com In conclusion, it is obvious that Methodist Church's decision to compromise is against God's (and Jesus') clear teachings! |
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Ihs Exactly. The problem is you presume to speak for Jesus. |
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From your site In other words, it doesn’t matter what Jesus said... you’ll just use his name to justify YOUR beliefs. |
