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 Club Gripes"There are some club members who would prefer that you skipped some of those links used your own words more often, IHS." With that as an opening post, I think I would like to hear from any other members concerning this matter. Of any suggestions on how to improve the Club we your perceive this issue. |
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Feelings are Good, but Documentation is Better . . . On the other hand, Club members will have to consider that copy and pasting others thoughts reduces the amount of time/ work it would take me to address the numerous thread subjects which I take part in. And also, I am not plagiarizing by utilizing others thoughts and views when I post them in the various forums. These thoughts and views could be my own because I am in full agreement with them. Zorroloco's comment about shorting the word content of the links is also a great idea. One I will try to utilize moving forward. One last thought about links, if I may? On this club I welcome and strongly endorse the use of links. We all have opinions like we have other body parts. If you're going to present a particular point of view or bit of information - on the FTFS Club personal opinions are good and welcomed - however; only documented views and information carry the weight of TRUTH unlike mere emotional thoughts. Have other researchers or journalist discovered the same thing as you're suggesting? I, and others, are more inclined to listen to this kind of information IMO. |
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CLUB LINKS Check it out---- It's called the CLUB LINKS contest and IHS walked-away with 1st place, so he's now the club Link King. |
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Timely Response and Follow-up Posts Secondly I have to apologise for not posting that fact until now. I was just too busy slapping myself on the back and selfishly didn't consider how this happened. Duh. Someone commented on another thread how important it is to post information to back up opinions. Something like that. My other reason for this post is a request for a little patience with me in pursuing certain threads I recently started. As much as I would like to follow up with these threads I'm not able to because I am having issues with my vision I was disappointed not to be able to pursue those threads earlier. Thanks again for your time and consideration for all your interest in the subjects now being discussed. |
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Club Etiquette Rules One thing I have failed to make known to respective Club members are the boundaries, and rules of etiquette which Freedom of Speech naturally carries with it. In a word - Freedom of Speech always carries with it the unwritten rule of responsibility and respect towards those with whom you share your particular points of view and beliefs. Besides allowing for "fringe" or "conspiracy theory" types of views, this Club will not tolerated speech which intends to incite negative emotional outbursts or speech which only aims to disparage and belittle others point of view and beliefs. Ignorance is not an open door for ridicule and "one-upmanship"! My intention for Club members is for there to be an environment where knowledge and instruction may be shared so that mutual respect and understanding may flourish. If you do not share this vision with me you are in the "wrong" Club! As the Captain of the FTFS Club I will be the final arbitrator of what is acceptable and what is not. As guidelines for my deciding such a delicate responsibility I have found a few websites to guide myself, and hopefully you, the members of the FTFS Club. "Freedom of Speech Carries Responsibility" www.franksonnenbergonline.com "Why Freedom Of Speech Needs Limitations" We may have the right to freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean we express hatred. "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" IS NOT FREEDOM TO BE A BULLY, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN HARASS, ABUSE AND DEHUMANIZE OTHERS WITHOUT ANY REPURCUSSIONS www.theodysseyonline.com "THE FREEDOM OF RESTRAINT" Why is it that often, the more we desire freedom, the less of it we have? Do we hold so tightly to freedom that we crush it, like a child crushes a flower in their hand while trying to protect it? Indeed, love can be bruised, and even extinguished, if held too tightly -- so can freedom. Love cannot flourish without freedom nor can real freedom thrive without true love. Freedom, in truth, cannot be free without boundaries, else it becomes either anarchy or licentiousness: "[Freedom] requires efforts, it presupposes mental and moral qualities of a high order to be generally diffused in the society where it exists" 1 said John C Calhoun. Freedom must be tempered with morality, or the free-will of one may suffocate or imprison the will of another. Self-determination can easily become selfishness. When I rejoice in my deliverance rather than my Deliverer, I have made an idol out of the gift. conciliarpost.com These policies become effective immediately! |
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The "Bar" Which Was Recently Set . At the same time I felt Zorroloco was deliberately challenging my authority and right to set the "Bar" where I did. There will be no "Prima Donnas" on the FTFS Club. Myself included. Nobody else will be expected to do what I myself will not do as well. ( I will be needing another Moderator if anyone is interested) I'm saddened Z_L thought I was . . . He can tell me himself if he so chooses to. Ultimately, when my decision to keep Z_L on rested on my hope he would not give up on me. Before I say something foolish if worse I better stop. If would be remiss in not address another thought I'm having. It Zorroloco's belief was that understanding and compromise isn't possible, I pray that will not be the stance of those still opposed to the president in November. If it's is I predict much more bloodshed and heartache as well. |
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In his service I strongly believe your feelings got in the way of the truth, IHS. Zorro would do no such thing. At best, Zorro (Mo-Zero) might argue your methods or your arguable definitions of the "truth", etc. We all have our own unique THINKing about what might be true or untrue, in or out, topsy-or-turvy and round-about, etc --- It all sums to approximately 8 billion differences of opinion on this earth, don't you think? Consider some examples if you care: Your "flat earth" argument and your conspiracy theories, IHS --- some THINK them true and others THINK them untrue. And do you remember where "Mo" came from? "Differences of opinion" one might say, huh? Mo |
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Truth You may try to argue against that truth. But you would be wrong. |
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Ihs Mo-One Mo-Two Mo-Three Mo-Nine Mo-Zero MoJo Miss Mo and an honorary Mo E= MC2 Mo |
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@Mo-one You rightly bring up another issue about some of the subjects I have advocated for or asserted to be true. In a forum as this one in which I have purposely established so anyone interested can discuss/ and debate with me or anyone else these issues - that is a completely different subject than what may have been another's reason for leaving. If you want to gripe about this, you're welcome to share what you think about it. But, please, let's not go into what someone else might think or believe. I think that would be disrespectful. Let Z_L come speak for himself it he wants to. |
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Ihs I am not a monitor of your club so I was unaware that Zorro had left your club until now. Zorro is a sad loss for your club that reflects badly on your club and MIGHT expose your attitudes about those who disagree with you and the "truths" you speak. I was simply arguing your statement: "I felt Zorroloco was deliberately challenging my authority and right to set the "Bar". Call my opinion of your statement a conjecture if you want --- I certainly won't loose any sleep over it. My further opinion (you can call it a Club Gripe if it fits this forum better for you): You have a flair for pushing good people out of your clubs. |
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@Mo-one << I am not a monitor of your club so I was unaware that Zorro had left your club until now. Zorro is a sad loss for your club that reflects badly on your club and MIGHT expose your attitudes about those who disagree with you and the "truths" you speak. >> My apologies for not making it clearer about Z_L leaving the Club. (He and I are still private messaging so lines of communication are still open between us) Anyone who leaves the Club is a "loss" - we all matter and I value each person equally. Especially those who take the time to contribute - like yourself. As for his departure "reflecting badly" on my Club - you're entitled to think that. But why should it be a negative reflection on ME? I didn't do or say anything which attacked Z_L and made him to feel he was not welcomed, did I? Do I make you feel attacked or otherwise "invalidate" what your views are? Let me share what I think being "attacked" is, okay? It is having Club captains or Moderators censor you for posting controversial ideas and views which go against the NORM. Three other Clubs have given me the "boot" just for this reason. That is being attacked, sir. << I was simply arguing your statement: "I felt Zorroloco was deliberately challenging my authority and right to set the "Bar". Call my opinion of your statement a conjecture if you want --- I certainly won't loose any sleep over it. My further opinion (you can call it a Club Gripe if it fits this forum better for you): You have a flair for pushing good people out of your clubs. >> Are you feeling "pushed out" - is that why you're pursuing this? I think, maybe, I can make a good argument/ or state a reason for my beliefs/ views which you (and others?) are finding difficult to counter. Want to talk about that? |
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Perception; Standards; Quality; Uncompromising Integrity; Maturity This post is an appeal to you, the current members of the Club, for a Moderators to replace two who recently quit that position. Consider carefully if you believe you can abide by the qualities of the subject line above. Your consideration as a Moderator, and my evaluation of your judgement, will depend on your own integrity to evaluate reports of abuse and differences of opinion based on this criteria. The last Moderator questioned my interpretation of the criteria I was using W/O explanation. If you are interested in helping me guide this Club, and to honestly evaluate MY PERFORMANCE AND JUDGMENT let me know if you are interested? |
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Free speach... As for Zorro's defection, I obviously lose an allie on most subjects and therefore regret it In fact, I'm curious to see how the concept of "freedom of speach" - which I advotate, BTW will evolve "please, evaluate my performance"... I won't do it. Why should I ? This is not a question of performance. We are all individuals, interresting in exchanging together... or not, under such or such conditions or depending of plenty of factors. |
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... no censorship, is not so easy to apply. You quickly get confrounted to plenty of abuses. On the other hand, whho are you to decide that such or such sentence is not allowed ? But, should all the club's member vote ? And, if it were so, would they be legitimate ? >> The boundaries for the Freedom of Speech which I hoped to establish were set soon after the Club began. One member posted abbreviations and inendoes which was obviously expletives. Point made, point taken; there has not been an issue about that since. With that as as example no other posts required any more admonitions. As for reports of abuses - there hasn't been any. I have tried to set the tone here for mature interchanges/ dialogue, and for the most part that is what we've been having. As for "you are you to decide that such and such a sentence . . ."; The guidelines for staying on topic, and refusing to go "personal" are the ones that decide. In taking responsibility for your words and the manner and intent you use make the decision and should be what guides your post. << As for Zorro's defection, I obviously lose an allie on most subjects and therefore regret it >> I regret his defection also. But he acknowledged that our debating was taking away too much time from other responsibilities and his personal time. << In fact, I'm curious to see how the concept of "freedom of speach" - which I advotate, BTW will evolve "please, evaluate my performance"... I won't do it. Why should I ? >> Not everyone can make such evaluations. This kind of responsibility require fortitude to make judgment calls regardless of personal perspective/ biases. Being a Moderator means putting "friendship" for a while if necessary. << This is not a question of performance. We are all individuals, interresting in exchanging together... or not, under such or such conditions or depending of plenty of factors. >> A Moderator must be able to COMPARTMENTALIZE these other "factors" or their judgment will not be impartial. I think you could do this if you wanted to. |
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inhis service "In your case, Mr Apatzer, that would necessarily mean restricting using pages and chapters of the Bible as of Biblical lesson on anther's morality, or lack of morality." Wowee!!! I was unaware that your (new) 1st amendment club was so restrictive. Ok, Apat: No more Bible passages allowed in IHS's club. Mo Mo-one, The FTFS Club does permit and encourages free speech. However, unlike the other Clubs this Club will observe and ENFORCE postings remain ON TOPIC AND NOT BEGIN giving administrations/ religous beliefs ABOUT OTHER'S BEHAVIOR! Had Apatzer opened a different thread specifically for religous instructions that would have been acceptable. If you want such a thread on religous beliefs/ instruction, you're welcome to start one. Hope that clarification will set your mind at ease. Do any other members have a question concerning "staying on topic" in our threads? |
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Faux 1A Club? Is this a REAL 1A Club or not, IHS? Your: "The FTFS Club does permit and encourages free speech." Sounds like a good, fair "free speech" plan to me, IHS. But then Your "free speech" statement begins to ravel apart and become confusing when you install a BUT clause --- "but" = "however" here (see below). Your next sentence: "However, unlike the other Clubs this Club will observe and ENFORCE postings remain ON TOPIC AND NOT BEGIN giving administrations/ religious beliefs ABOUT OTHER'S BEHAVIOR!" Your two opposing comments appear to be a catch 22, or am I missing something? Dammed if you do --- dammed if you don't, huh? Catch 22: "A dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting conditions." It's a good thing that you have a "Club Grips" forum where "free speech" seems more real, huh? |
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Don't gossip about other people - it's cool. Gossip and it's 🔨 time. Not 🚀 science. Can anyone help Mo-one? |
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Back Stabbing In Lieu Of Speaking Your Mind Today GK replied to my inquiry into this very false report. Their respose read in part thus: "Thank you for contacting us regarding this matter. You can safely ignore any abuse reports that are nothing valid. An abuse report is merely to alert us to any issues, and we review all of them and make final determination if a rule violation did indeed take place." Needless to say, but the individual (s) who feel that they must resort to such attacks describes how cowardly untrustworthy they really are. This forum invites and encourages the free expression of all views and commentary. The inability to express dissenting voices and perspectives probably indicates the weaknesses/ irrationality for your stance. Hopefully, this individual (s) will show more backbone and share your mind rather than "report" me! |
