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 President Trump's Middle East Peace PlanAs expected (Unfortunately for ALL people who are interested in a permanent Middle East end of hostilities), all three factions now waging war against Israeli have rejected this plan. "Trump’s ‘Opportunity of the Century’: A US$ 50B ‘Marshall Plan’ for Middle East" saraacarter.com Fully also expect Deep State's Congressional Military Industrial Complex to oppose this plan. Too much money for those involved in profiting from wealons sales! Just as they have opposed his ending the "Endless Afghanistan War". "STATEDeep State Moves to Undermine Trump’s Planned Afghanistan Troop Withdrawal" bigleaguepolitics.com Also note that the Palestinian people want to give peace a chance. "Kushner: ‘Reasonable’ Palestinians will back peace plan, status quo unacceptable" www.timesofisrael.com It goes W/O saying, NeverThrumpers will oppose this plan also. Heaven forbid President Trump will EVER get credit for ANYTHING. |
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Huh The problem is it was never intended to be a peace plan. Like everything else the shyster does, it's smoke and mirrors. |
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Scam it's something like two criminals (trump and netanahu) working another scam, huh? |
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Ihs "Kushner: ‘Reasonable’ Palestinians will back peace plan, status quo unacceptable" Wait... Kushner speaks for the Palestinians now? When did did that happen? |
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Z Of course they do. That's why they don't like plan. Most of the World has said the same thing --- even Russia. We all, at least, SAY that we want peace. |
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Two Prophecies Fulfilled The first one happened with England's Balfour Declaration. Incredible political policies having nothing to do with the Biblical prophecies concerning Israel's returning to their ancestral homeland, yet, that would be the end result. "Bible Prophecies Foretold the Return of Israel to Their Homeland" The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. therefinersfire.org "Prophecy fulfilled by Israel" www.factsaboutisrael.uk Much later it was prophsied Donald Trump would be America's president. "He Predicted Trump Would Be President 6 Years Ago, Here’s Why This Prophet Says Trump Is in for Two Terms" www.openheaven.com "Several years ago, a modern prophet predicted Donald would win, and Hillary would lose." www.elijahlist.com These two facts have made Israel and America targets for destruction. "Why Progressive globalists see Israel as an ideological enemy." theculturechronicles.com "ANTI-ISRAEL GLOBALISTS HAVE PLAN TO GET RID OF ISRAEL COMPLETELY" www.infowars.com "The Globalist Plan to take-down the whole World" www.veteranstoday.com "Donald Trump: Enemy of the Globalists" www.freerepublic.com This impasse between the Palestinians and Israel is borne from a spiritual battle between the forces opposed to the plan of God and God Himself. The same thing can be said about current American politics. |
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Ihs The same thing can be said about current American politics. “ I suppose you think its original to claim to be fighting for god against those who reject god’s plan? |
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Patriots in America and the Israelis in Israel do not for the most part see this as a "Battle for God". We, both American Patriots and citizens trying to keep the historical American values which makes America unique, and the Israelis - we're fighting for our Freedoms and we're fighting to keep from getting swallowed up by the Globalist Agenda. How exactly this fight between the only two nations on the planet claiming a Christian- Jedeo heritage and the Globalists plays out is unknown to any one. The only certainty is God doesn't lose. |
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Ihs You don’t understand the world very well. And your vast ignorance leads you to hugely erroneous conclusions |
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@Zorroloco My "vast ignorance", or a World View which is other than yours and the Secular Humanist/ Naturalist World View which is driving the Globalist Agenda? "Globalism Is Anti-Christ, Demonic, Theologians Argue" Prominent theologians and scholars are saying this week that while globalism may be a buzzword this election season, too few understand the demonic forces driving this ideology. As The New York Times (1) reported Monday, until relatively recently it was rare to hear people referred to as "globalists" but the label is more common now. And while many globalists claim to have the interests of the entire world at heart, the irony is that they have become a tribe of sorts; and they are a wealthy, elite, and powerful tribe for whom national borders are an impediment to their agenda. While many definitions for globalism exist, a wide chasm separates 1) necessary global exchanges in an increasingly interconnected world, like trade, legal immigration, and the cooperation and sharing of ideas across borders, and 2) globalism as a secular humanistic religion of sorts that envisons a one-world government. For the second definition of globalism, such views are antithetical to a Christian worldview, according to some, even as the Church itself is global and the Kingdom of God is not constrained by national borders. "A major objection to globalism from a spiritual and biblical point of view is that many of the globalists are pushing for a global value system," said Wallace Henley, senior associate pastor of 2nd Baptist Church in Houston, Texas in a Tuesday phone interview with The Christian Post. (1) www.nytimes.com www.christianpost.com It would be most helpful to your comments on these posts if you would/ could (?) post outside sources to substantiate and document that your point of views carry more weight than mere opinion. For example, this link provides a clear explanation for the "political quagmire" now ongoing in America. The election of Donald Trump to the White House has unleashed Globalist minded people who constitute the "Swamp" which is embedded in Washington DC. "Trumpocalypse, FBI And The Globalist Coup Against Donald Trump" The clear majority of the mainstream media in true Orwellian form is attempting to change the consciousness of the American people regarding the truth of the FBI memo by using the Alice in Wonderland logic of the Mad Hatter. The simple truth appears to be that high-level members of the Department of Justice like special counsel Robert Mueller, ousted FBI Director James Comey, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein misled the FISA court by failing to state a conflict of interest, and that the primary source of the Trump-Russia collusion dossier was created by former British Intelligence officer Christopher Steele who hated President Donald Trump and was hired in part by the DNC to destroy and even impeach Trump. According to The Washington Post, it was the FBI itself that authorized payments to Steele for work on the dossier. Both top FBI and DOJ officials knew the political origins of the dossier. The FBI like the CIA is just one part of what is known as the Deep State. According to the four-page GOP House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes memo accusing the FBI of abusing surveillance authority, the FBI began a campaign to keep information from the committee and the American public by claiming it contained classified information that could bring danger to our nation. However, when you read the memo you simply don’t see the dangerous classified material that presents a danger to our nation. Instead, you read classified information that clearly presents a danger to corrupt, high-level leaders at the FBI and DOJ. One could conclude from reading Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Emeritus Noam Chomsky’s book, Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, that the mainstream media in the United States and around the world is totally controlled by powerful globalists and their multinational corporations that use social engineering, or scientific mind control, to “manufacture consent,” or a belief in fictional narratives that benefit the globalist elite at the expense of the working and middle class. newswithviews.com In closing I submit you may very well offer that you didn't read my psot because I "copied and pasted" it. Egad! Now who's being "ignorant"? Regards |
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Ihs Regarding Christian heritage in other countries was my point. You’re so self centered. www.degruyter.com |
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To clarify You have such an inaccurate view of the world. No wonder your conclusions are so off base. Have you ever traveled outside the US? Inside the US? Do you speak any other languages? Do you have close friends from other countries, religions or ethnicities? Have a degree in anything? I’m curious what experience you’ve had to have such a skewed view. |
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@Inhis : Amazing arguments ! 2. The Israel-Palestinian problem is not a religious one but a political one. Did you know that there are Christian among the Palestinians who've been expelled from their land, that there are Christian among the Hezbollah ? What would you do if the native Americans suddenly decided that their high God had decided that they had to get their land back and that you had to go somewhere else in desert areas ? 3. Trump claims "a good peace plan" : it's obviously a good plan for Israel but the Palestinians get nothing in exchange (guarantee of peace, at the very best and if I were them, I wouldn't trust Israel to stop colonization !). Very similar to the treaties which have been signed between the USA and the native Americans in the XIX th century. 4. Biblical prophecies ! Haw haw ! You can find everything you wish in the Bible on the subject, depending on the texts you chose and on your interpretation ! 5. Not long ago you said that there was an international Jewish-communist plot but now than Trump proposes something interesting to Israel, you advocate that the Jewish are among the goodies ! |
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Opinions - we all have them! << You have such an inaccurate view of the world. No wonder your conclusions are so off base. >> More opinions! Where are your bonafide certificates or documents qualifying you as such as expert? << Have you ever traveled outside the US? Inside the US? Do you speak any other languages? Do you have close friends from other countries, religions or ethnicities? Have a degree in anything? >> I suppose you do? How about providing some bonafide certificates for documenting your objections and assertions, please?!! As such a thing is really impractical, we're going to have to go with supplying OUTSIDE (Internet) sources for providing proof/ documentation. If you or anyone else can provide that, great! If not don't bother posting, except as a pure SUBJECTIVE point of view. << I’m curious what experience you’ve had to have such a skewed view. >> Personal life style and a logical perspective on how world history is being taught, compared with the world history of the inerrant Word of God. Last, but not least, this is my own opinion. |
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Focusing On The Issue At Hand That was an erroneous statement about America and Israel. The issue here is not about nations being "Judeo-Christian" - what that means is in dispute and I made a mistake in using it. To continue, the issue here is the Globalist's Agenda now in place where Elitists factions are actively working on establishing a New World Order. One link which I postrd earlier addressed this issue directly as it pertains to the Democratic Party's rejection of President Trump. Trumpocalypse, FBI And The Globalist Coup Against Donald Trump" newswithviews.com Further, in order to keep this post on topic, I assert that the worldwide rejection of Trump's Middle East Peace Plan has more to do with the Globalist Agenda for their New World Order. Previous links documents the Globalist Agenda intends to destroy America and Israel. New posts, hopefully, will include evidence/ documentation for or against the issues here and not about my "ignorace" and, or "lack of understanding". If you have a gripe post it on the appropriate thread or it's going bye-bye! |
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Ihs You don’t think it has anything to do with the fact that the Palestinians weren’t consulted and got a crap deal? It has to be a globalist conspiracy? |
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@ Inhis Does Trump care about the subect ? I really doubt it. It's a political manoeuvre, at a couple of months of the presidential election. - He shows that he is a strong leader with the assassination of Soleimani - He shows he is a peacemaker in the Israel/Palestinian problem. And he calls it "peace in Middle East" - He shows that he wants to retreat of Middle East (at least in Syrian Kurdistan) - He supports democracy in Iran but refuses to withdraw US troops from Iraq, despite the will of all parties ! If human lives weren't involved in the game, it would be laughable ! So ridiculous ! So contradictory ! So pittyfull ! So.... "marketing". Or maybe I misunderstand, being not a WASP American. If so, I apologise sincerely but I would like to understand. Could you explain me the coherence, please ? |
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@ Ptetroque "Most European countries claim Christian heritage"? On what basis do you make that statement, please? The information I have seen on this subject is that most of the European countries are definitely post Christian heritage. The prevailing world view is that of the Secular Humanists philosophy isn't that the truth? "Christianity as default is gone': the rise of a non-Christian Europe" www.theguardian.com "Evangelism in Post-Christian Western Europe: Six Insights" Encroaching darkness has provided European Christians with unusual opportunities to flourish. If you want to know what American churches will be facing in 20 years, look to Europe today. Contemporary Europe is a heathen continent with a Christian residue. Encroaching darkness, however, has provided European Christians with unusual opportunities to flourish, especially in evangelism. The following six insights stem from the uniquely secular context of Europe. If taken seriously, these could lead to greater evangelistic fruit among American churches. www.christianitytoday.com 2. The Israel-Palestinian problem is not a religious one but a political one. Did you know that there are Christian among the Palestinians who've been expelled from their land, that there are Christian among the Hezbollah ? What would you do if the native Americans suddenly decided that their high God had decided that they had to get their land back and that you had to go somewhere else in desert areas ? >> No, I didn't know these things. Yes, certainly the Palestinian Israeli problem is a political one. One intiated when the British Government implimented the Balflor Declaration. Your views on this subject were expressed to me previously. However, the views of most of the world do not take into account the Biblical prophecies everyone else is dismissing. Just as your analygy in comparing the American Indians uprising against America to the Israelis and the Palestinians is faulty. If is faulty because the American injustice against the American Indian happened in totally different circumstances for completely different reasons. The first Israelis which were sent to Palestine didn't ask for it. The exact details with how this occurred I'm not sure of. Information on the Internet indicates Palestine was a desolate and inhospitable when the first Jews arrived. Looking for information on this I see that the Jews have been trying to return to "Palestine" for many years! The entire history of "Palestine" as far as this discussion is concerned needs to address a vital bit of information which is LARGELY IGNORED TODAY. "History of Israel : What is Palestine and the Palestinians?" In recent history, the area called Palestine includes the territories of the present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I. In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine. The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians". It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion. Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel. www.science.co.il "Palestine 1918 to 1948" www.historylearningsite.co.uk This link offers more thorough explanation for the current status and why the Palestinian Arabs are fighting against the Jews. If needs to be emphasized that in large measure the surrounding Arab nations have contributed significantly in exabberating the conflict! Who is at "fault"? A better question; what path should the nations concerned (Palestinians living in the Israeli "occupied" land and the Jews living there - WHAT SHOULD THEY DO TO HAVE PERMANENT PEACE. Shouldn't THAT be the question? << 3. Trump claims "a good peace plan" : it's obviously a good plan for Israel but the Palestinians get nothing in exchange (guarantee of peace, at the very best and if I were them, I wouldn't trust Israel to stop colonization !). >> "The Palestinians get nothing"?! Is that what Trump is proposing?! Are you serious ? Maybe you were drunk again? << Very similar to the treaties which have been signed between the USA and the native Americans in the XIX th century. >> "Details of Trump's upcoming Middle East peace plan revealed" Report claims US peace plan focuses on 'regional normalization' between Israel and Arab world, makes no demands of either Israel, PA. the new Middle East peace plan now being drawn up by the Trump administration will not focus solely on the Arab-Israeli conflict, but will look to lay the groundwork for “regional normalization” between the Jewish state and the Arab world at large – deemphasizing final status talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Unlike past plans pushed by the US, France, UK, and the Middle East Quartet – a body including representatives o the US, United Nations, European Union, and Russia – the US will not make any demands of either Israel or the PA, but instead will attempt to facilitate final status talks between the two sides, encouraging negotiations rather than imposing a framework for an agreement. US officials specifically stated that the Trump White House wishes to avoid a “take it or leave it” approach to peace talks. Trump administration officials emphasized that the White House has no plans to impose a timetable for an agreement, and “won’t impose an agreement on the two sides”. www.israelnationalnews.com The fact that Israel is FIRMLY established in the region hopefully means that the other Arab nations of the region will BACK OFF and give peace a chance. << 4. Biblical prophecies ! Haw haw ! Your can find everything you wish in the Bible on the subject, depending on the texts you chose and on your interpretation ! >> Such as . . . Name two if you can. "23 Bible Verses About Land Permanently Restored to Israel" Deuteronomy 30:5 "And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers." Isaiah 11:11,12 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." Jeremiah 23:3-8 "And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 8 But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land. Ezekiel 37:21-25; Isaiah 60:18-21; Jeremiah 23:6; Jeremiah 24:5,6 << 5. Not long ago you said that there was an international Jewish-communist plot but now than Trump proposes something interesting to Israel, you advocate that the Jewish are among the goodies ! >> Just as there are obviously "Christians" who do NOT FOLLOW CHRIST there are Jews who care NOT A WIT for honoring God and His Word. "Immigration, Globalization, Political Correctness : The Jewish Elites Attack on the Western World" Sometime prior to World War II, a quiet coup was carried out in the United States - our government was hijacked by a group of Global Elites (mostly Jewish). Thus, its irrelevant who was (or is) the sitting President: Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, etc... they all (except for JFK) exclusively served the Globalist's agenda. Given this, dissent is the only true form of patriotism - the Founding Fathers would agree. immigration-globalization.blogspot.com |
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@Zorro The facts as I have gathered them suggest strongly that you are clueless. See my post above to Ptetroque, please? |
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@ Inhis Yes, the influence of religions is decreasing everywhere in Europe, but you say yourself that it's also decreasing in the USA - I do not see why the USA should be the champion of Christianity, just because Trump pretend i, after years of, what yourself call "globalists presidents". In Hungary, Poland, Italy, where they are Far Right presidents, they claim the Christian heritage of their country. 2. The content of the "peace plan" : The Israeli colonization of places where they had no right to be - according to the treaties they accepted is good, according to Trump's plan - such a plan is unfair and has no chance to be accepted by the opposing organizations (Palestinia, authorities, Hezbollah and their allies). I admit that you're right about the bible saying that the country belonged to the Jewish people. But The bible has been written by the Hebrews, it's their book, defending the way they see things. It's a rather biased basis for a peace process between them and their enemies. You teach me the recent story of Israel but I do not see what it proves. 3. The method : When you are facing a conflict between 2 people and you want to stop it, you have to listen to both people and propose a solution which is convenient for both. Trump choses to side with one of the adversaries and propose a plan ! This is stupid, ridiculous and deplorable. But it doesn't matter to him. The plan has not being designed to be accepted. It's just a propaganda operation. Trump gives himself an image of peacemaker for a very cheap price |
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Ptit Arab League rejects Trump's Middle East plan Arab leaders say US initiative does not meet 'minimum rights and aspirations of Palestinian people'. 23 hours ago The Arab League has completely rejected US President Donald Trump's Middle East plan during an emergency meeting in Egypt's capital, saying it would not lead to a just peace deal. In a statement on Saturday, the pan-Arab bloc said it "rejects the US-Israeli 'deal of the century' considering that it does not meet the minimum rights and aspirations of Palestinian people." Arab states also agreed "not to ... cooperate with the US administration to implement this plan," adding that Israel should not implement the initiative by force. They insisted on a two-state solution that includes a Palestinian state based on borders before the 1967 war, when Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. They also called for East Jerusalem to be the capital of the future Palestinian state. |
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@Ptitroque And Zorroloco Yes, the influence of religions is decreasing everywhere in Europe, but you say yourself that it's also decreasing in the USA - I do not see why the USA should be the champion of Christianity, just because Trump pretend i, after years of, what yourself call "globalists presidents". In Hungary, Poland, Italy, where they are Far Right presidents, they claim the Christian heritage of their country. >> The United States is not a champion of Christianity. We are champions for Freedom of Speech, Freedom of thought, and Freedom in the pursuit of "life, liberty and happiness". President Trump is zeroed in on REESTABLISHING these AMERICAN VALUES in the United States. It has nothing to do with Christianity - except that America has forgotten (or we've allowed enemies of Christianity to make laws against the Christian faith) where from our Liberties and Freedoms come from. And you're absolutely correct in labeling our recent presidents as Globalists, for that is what they were! Unlike President Trump they did not seek first the will of the American people in the policies they pursued and put into law. President Trump is purposely distancing himself from Globalist policies like the UN Agendas which would and will destroy industrial manufactoring because of lies about "climate change" due to industrial pollution and other nonsense. "The Hidden Agenda Behind 'Climate Change'" In comments (1) that laid bare the hidden agenda behind global warming alarmism, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, let slip during a February 2015 press conference in Brussels that the U.N.'s real purpose in pushing climate hysteria is to end capitalism throughout the world: "This is the first time in human history that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally changing [getting rid of] the economic development model that has reigned since the Industrial Revolution." The economic model to which she referred is free-market capitalism. A year earlier, Figueres revealed what capitalism must be replaced with when she complained (2) that America's two-party constitutional system is hampering the U.N.'s climate objectives. She went on to cite China's communist system as the kind of government America must have if the U.N. is to impose its environmental will on the world's most free and prosperous capitalist nation. In other words, for the U.N. to have its way, America must somehow be transformed into a communist nation. Let that sink in for a moment. (1) dailycaller.com (2) dailycaller.com climatechangedispatch.com "Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare" Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven't been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare. We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different. Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015. So what is the goal of environmental policy? "WE REDISTRIBUTE DE FACTO THE WORLD'S WEALTH BY CLIMATE POLICY.", (Emphasis mine) said Edenhofer. For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn't really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that "THE NEXT WORLD CLIMATE SUMMIT IN CANCUN IS ACTUALLY AN ECONOMY SUMMIT DURING WHICH THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE WORLD'S RESOURCES WILL BE NEGOTIATED." (Emphasis mine) www.investors.com Climate change is about MONEY! Even scientific journals are saying it's all a hoax. "The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted" www.livescience.com "CLIMATE SCIENCE NEWS" "Global hypocrisy? Thousands of climate scientists prove they are following a fad, but are not truly concerned about CO2" www.climatesciencenews.com "The top 10 biggest bombshell climate TRUTH stories of 2019" www.climatesciencenews.com "Over 31,000 scientists say global warming is a total hoax; now they're speaking out against junk science" www.climatesciencenews.com "The 'global warming' hoax: 30 years of failed predictions that never happened" Once upon a time in the late 1980s, the Left devised a behavioral modification scheme (1) aimed at one thing: Future control of as much of the population as possible. The problem was convincing enough Americans to willingly go along with the plan -- a scheme most would never voluntarily agree to because it would involve radical deindustrialization and modification of their lifestyles. They settled on human-caused "global warming" -- the determination that modern existence was causing the planet to heat up so much all life would soon be exterminated…if we didn't stop being so modern. The crackpot theory was first introduced by NASA 'scientist' Dr. James Hansen in testimony before the U.S. Senate in 1988: "Global warming has begun." As reported June 24 of that year by The New York Times: (2) The earth has been warmer in the first five months of this year than in any comparable period since measurements began 130 years ago, and the higher temperatures can now be attributed to a long-expected global warming trend linked to pollution, a space agency scientist reported today. (1) thenationalsentinel.com (2) www.nytimes.com www.climatesciencenews.com "Cult-minded 'climate change' scientists are making ALL of science look like a fanatical religion rather than science" www.climatesciencenews.com << 2. The content of the "peace plan" : The Israeli colonization of places where they had no right to be - according to the treaties they accepted is good, according to Trump's plan - such a plan is unfair and has no chance to be accepted by the opposing organizations (Palestinia, authorities, Hezbollah and their allies). >> The lies (just like the lies of "climate change") which have been perpetuated by Globalists/ Communists/ Progressives, in the World's take down by these same lying Forces do not accord with the actual history of the Palestinian region! "Palestine Betrayed" by Efraim Karsh New Haven: Yale University Press, 2010. 342 pp. $32.50 Reviewed by David Rodman Middle East Quarterly Summer 2010, pp. 75-77 The Myth of Palestinian Victimhood The Israeli war of independence may have ended with a decisive victory on the battlefield in early 1949, but the war over the war still rages in academic circles. For more than twenty years, a furious debate has raged in Israel between the so-called "New Historians" and, for lack of a better label, "traditionalist historians." In a nutshell, the New Historians consider the Jewish state to be the villain of the drama while traditionalist historians lay the blame on the Arab world. Now Karsh, head of Mediterranean Studies at King's College London and the first traditionalist historian to systematically rebut the New Historians in his earlier book, "Fabricating Israeli History",[1] has put the most devastating nail yet in the revisionists' coffin. In this well researched and well written work, based almost entirely on Israeli, Arab, and British documents, Karsh places special emphasis on the Arab side of the story. Through extensive use of Arab primary sources, an approach rarely employed by the New Historians, Karsh paints a picture in which the Arabs are no longer reduced to playing the part of passive "objects" of history, powerless to influence their own destiny but rather become its active "agents," shaping their own future for better or worse. Karsh's sweeping history begins in the decades of the British Mandate, highlighting the massive socioeconomic benefits obtained by the Palestinian Arabs as a consequence of the pre-state Jewish community or yishuv's steady development and assistance. In contrast to the latter's willingness to reach a reasonable political compromise on the basis of the mutual recognition of national rights -- witness its endorsement of the 1937 Peel partition proposal, which would have created a tiny Jewish state alongside a much larger Arab one in western Palestine -- THE INTRANSIGENT, SELF-SERVING LEADERSHIP OF THE PALESTINIAN ARABS AND THE ARAB STATES WOULD NOT RECONCILE THEMSELVES TO JEWISH SOVEREIGNTY IN ANY PART OF THE TERRITORY, ALL THE WHILE FANNING THE FLAMES OF CONFLICT WITH CALLS TO PAN-ARAB AND ISLAMIC AMBITIONS. (Emphasis mine) While Karsh does examine the leading events of the war of independence, Palestine Betrayed focuses MAINLY ON THE COLLAPSE OF THE PALESTINIAN ARAB SOCIETY, A PROCESS, HE MAKES CLEAR, BEGUN WELL BEFORE THE ACTUAL END OF THE BRITISH MANDATE. (Emphasis mine) In doing so, he also offers a COMPELLING REBUTTAL OF TWO NEW HISTORIAN MYTHS, NAMELY THAT THE ZIONIST LEADERSHIP FORMULATED AND THEN ACTED UPON A POLICY OF "ETHNICALLY CLEANSING" THE PALESTINIAN ARAB POPULATION AND THAT IT COLLABORATED WITH TRANSJORDAN TO DENY THE PALESTINIAN ARABS A STATE OF THEIR OWN. (Emphasis mine) In regard to the first contention, Karsh demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the DISPERSION OF THE PALESTINIAN ARABS CONSTITUTED A SELF-INFLICTED CALAMITY. FOR STARTERS, DURING THE MANDATE PERIOD, THE PALESTINIAN ARABS, IN CONTRAST TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, UTTERLY DECLINED TO DEVELOP THOSE NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE SO VITAL TO SUSTAINING ANY POPULATION DURING WARTIME (E.G. HEALTH AND WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS), SO THE MASSES HAD NO SYSTEM OF SUPPORT WHEN HOSTILITIES BEGAN. (Emphasis mine) Additionally, while Palestinian Arab leaders, epitomized by the "Nazi mufti," Hajj Amin el-Husseini, pressed the masses to join the war, sometimes even threatening recalcitrant individuals or reluctant villages, they themselves promptly fled the fighting for safer havens, often not even waiting for battles to start. As one might expect, the masses followed suit. Karsh goes on to trace in considerable depth how both the Palestinian Arab leadership and neighboring Arab states deliberately orchestrated the flight of the populace on numerous occasions, particularly in the cases of the mixed cities of Haifa, Jaffa, and Jerusalem. www.meforum.org "Jewish Settlements are legal according to International Law" www.thejc.com "MYTH: Israeli Settlements are Illegal." jewsdownunder.com << I admit that you're right about the bible saying that the country belonged to the Jewish people. But The bible has been written by the Hebrews, it's their book, defending the way they see things. It's a rather biased basis for a peace process between them and their enemies. You teach me the recent story of Israel but I do not see what it proves. >> This issue proves two vital and unappreciated truths about our World and about this Middle Eastern Conflict. One: This never-ending impasse between the Arabs and the Jews were foretold in the Bible. "The Roots of the Israeli-Arab Conflict" The 20th century blossoming of national trees throughout the Middle East foretells that God's prophecies for all the nations is coming to pass in these times. The roots of the Israeli-Arab conflict, planted in the ancient conflict of the seeds of Abraham, have come full circle today. focusonjerusalem.com "Isaac and Ishmael: The Origin of Middle East Conflict and the Foundation for Understanding Eschatology" The Middle East is swelling with violence and turmoil. Christian persecution is on the rise and all the while the enemies of Israel are closing ranks around her borders. Our current Western leadership views religion as an archaic coping mechanism unfit for the modern-day world and so denies that any kind of religious theology could possibly be the reason for these things. Western thinking is that the peoples of the Middle East only need a little freedom from oppressive regimes and then they'll voluntarily want to shed their religious dogma and join the rest of the enlightened global community. Of course, as a show of good faith it's necessary for the West to be somewhat disassembled and reorganized to create a sort of equilibrium while we welcome our brothers and sisters into the 21st century. Does it seem to you this approach is working? Why is our Western leadership under a sort of delusion concerning Islam? How are we to make sense of these things from our biblical worldview? There are answers in God's Word. p2alm.com Two: The historical accuracy of the Bible has never been brought into question not has it ever been discredited! "15 Historical Proofs of the Bible" Amazing Bible Timeline with World History Easily See 6017 Years of Biblical and World History Together! amazingbibletimeline.com "Archaeology Proves Bible History Accurate" The Bible is the only ancient, well-organized and authentic framework in which to fit all the facts of history. The Bible does not record all history. In fact, there are huge gaps in the history contained in the Bible. Yet, without the Bible and what it reveals from prehistory, ancient history and prophecy -- which is history written in advance—you cannot truly understand any history. No worldly source can help us as the Bible does! www.thetrumpet.com |
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Inhis : Trump's peace plan The USA might be the centre of the world. It's not a good strategy to look at others exclusively from their point of view - their culture. Please consider the following opinion (moderate Palestinian). www.aljazeera.com In the French colonies, the African people had to learn in history "Our ancestors, the Gauls..." - this is properly ridiculous but French people at this time were persuaded that, because they were superior, all the colonized people would, at the end, admit this superiority and adopt the French culture and accept their domination. The USA make the same stupid calculation ! |
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@ Inhis What has it to do with the pertinence of Trump's plan ? Do you advocate peace plans based on what the people deserve or not, according to what their parents or grand parents have done ? They've lost and it was their own fault - they go what they merit ! -"Vae Victis" Do you believe that such a peace plan has worked once in history ? |
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Ihs That live science link says the exact opposite of what you think it says. And that climatesciencenews site is pure propaganda crap. And furthermore, your posts are too long, all over the place, and virtually impossible to follow, let alone respond to. I suggest shorter posts, with only one or two links, focused on one topic. If you want coherent threads. |
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Ihs More absolute rubbish. Just for starters... The book of Exodus claims to contain a historical record of the escape of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. But historians and archaeologists have been unable to verify any of the events described in the book. No known Egyptian records refer to the biblical Moses, the devastating plagues God supposedly inflicted on the country, the escape of the Hebrew slaves, or the drowning of the Egyptian army.[52] Further, White tells us the records contained on Egyptian monuments show that the pharaoh ruling at the time of the alleged escape of the Jews was certainly not overwhelmed in the Red Sea.[53] The book of Esther purports to describe how a young Jewish girl named Esther was chosen by the Persian king Xerxes I to be queen after he had divorced Vashti. Although historians know a great deal about Xerxes I, there is no record that he had a Jewish queen named Esther or was married to Vashti.[54] Additionally, the book of Esther describes the Persian empire as having 127 provinces, but historians maintain there was no such division of the empire.[55] Also contrary to the book of Esther, historians assure us Xerxes did not order Jews in his territories to attack his Persian subjects.[56] The book of Daniel describes events that supposedly happened during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews. The fifth chapter states that Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian king, was succeeded on the throne by his son Belshazzar. But historians tell us Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar and was never king.[57] The book of Daniel also says one “Darius the Mede” captured Babylon in the sixth century B.C.E. In contrast, historians know that Cyrus of Persia took Babylon.[58] History and the New Testament In the New Testament, the second chapter of Luke asserts that shortly before the birth of Jesus, the emperor Augustus ordered a census throughout the Roman world. Luke claims that every person had to travel to the town of his ancestors for the census to be taken. He identifies the census as the reason for Joseph and Mary traveling from Nazareth to Bethlehem, where Jesus is said to have been born. In his book Gospel Fictions, Randall Helms says this type of census was never taken in the history of the Roman Empire. He points out it’s ridiculous to think the practical Romans would require millions of people to travel enormous distances – to towns of long-deceased ancestors – merely to sign a tax form.[59] Likewise, in Asimov’s Guide to the Bible, Isaac Asimov affirms that the Romans would certainly arrange no such census.[60] The third chapter of Luke contains a genealogy tracing Christ’s ancestry back only 76 generations to Adam. According to Genesis chapter 1, Adam was created along with the rest of the universe during the course of one week. The Bible thus views the human race and the universe as having existed for a relatively short period, probably no more than several thousand years. In fact, for many centuries the orthodox Christian position – to doubt which was to risk damnation – was that the creation took place sometime between four and six thousand years before Christ’s birth.[61] Historians and scientists give a much longer historical record. They say the universe is between 10 and 20 billion years old,[62] the earth’s age is approximately 4.6 billion years,[63] and humans evolved from ape-like ancestors during the last few million years.[64] Matthew chapter 2 avers that shortly after the birth of Jesus, King Herod ordered the massacre of all male children two years of age or under in Bethlehem and its vicinity. In the book of Luke, which contains the only other New Testament story of Jesus’ birth, there is no mention of this horribly cruel order. It’s also not recorded in any secular histories from the time – not even by writers who carefully described many far less wicked deeds of Herod.[65] The lack of corroboration means Matthew’s account was fabricated. Matthew 27:45 alleges that while Jesus was on the cross, there fell over the whole land a darkness lasting from midday until three in the afternoon. Andrew White explains that although Romans such as Seneca and Pliny carefully described much less striking occurrences of the same sort in more remote regions, they failed to note any such darkness occurring even in Judea.[66] Robert Ingersoll wondered why the first-century Jewish historian Josephus, “the best historian the Hebrews produced, said nothing about the life or death of Christ; nothing about the massacre of the infants by Herod; not one word about the wonderful star that visited the sky at the birth of Christ; nothing about the darkness that fell upon the world for several hours in the midst of day; and failed entirely to mention that hundreds of graves were opened, and that multitudes of Jews rose from the dead, and visited the Holy City?” Ingersoll also asked, “Is it not wonderful that no historian ever mentioned any of these prodigies?”[67] Ingersoll’s questions are even more forceful when one considers that there still exist at least some of the works of more than 60 historians or chroniclers who lived in the period from 10 C.E. to 100 C.E.[68] Those writers were contemporaries of Jesus, if in fact he ever lived. |
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@Zorroloco If you want coherent threads. >> Ptitroque raise several issues. Each one of these were addressed and thoroughly documented and proven. If you are having a problem following any one issue (LIKE THE FALSE NOTION THAT ARCHAEOLOGY DOES NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE BIBLICAL RECORD) let me know where you are confused, Okay? << “Two: The historical accuracy of the Bible has never been brought into question not has it ever been discredited!” More absolute rubbish. Just for starters... The book of Exodus claims to contain a historical record of the escape of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. But historians and archaeologists have been unable to verify any of the events described in the book. No known Egyptian records refer to the biblical Moses, . . . (Yada Yada Yada) >> There are Egyptian records touching on events as recorded in the Biblical record. The Biblical record is true and accurate. Nobody has EVER DISPROVED THIS. The reason "historians and archaeologists have been unable to verify any of the events . . ." is they are not LOOKING FOR THEM. You and your ilk go in with "if this is in the Bible then this should be here" or "if this is in the Bible then this or that". You all make suppositions for your skewered interpretation of the Scriptures. Instead archaeologists should go into the earth and let what they discover SPEAK FOR ITSELF. Your "scientific method" for evolution is equally skewed. Instead of letting what you discover account for your understanding, you let your prejudice for what you believe beforehand account for what you look for! Back to the subject of archaeology, now. "Amenhotep II and the Historicity of the Exodus Pharaoh" The present in-depth work examines the trustworthiness of Biblical history by using the Hebrew exodus from Egypt as a test case. More specifically, an examination of the exodus-pharaoh's life will reveal whether Biblical history can be harmonized and synchronized with Egyptian history, and whether Biblical chronology is clear and trustworthy when relevant passages are interpreted literally. THE NEED FOR EVALUATING THE FORMER PREMISE IS THAT MANY EGYPTOLOGISTS ARE LEADING THE CHARGE TO DENY THE VERACITY OF THE EXODUS, ATTEMPTING TO PERSUADE BIBLICAL SCHOLARS AND THE CHRISTIAN POPULACE AT LARGE THAT THE EXODUS NEVER ACTUALLY OCCURRED . . . (Emphasis mine) I. INTRODUCTION Few disciplines related to Biblical inerrancy are scrutinized more intensely than historicity. Accordingly, questioning the Bible's historicity is nothing new to Biblical studies, as evidenced by Ladd's remark, "It is the author's hope that the reader may be helped to understand that the authority of the Word of God is not dependent upon infallible certainty in all matters of history and criticism."1 A more extreme recent trend, popular in the study of ancient Israel's storied past, is a revisionistic version of Biblical history.2 If you really want to know about unbiased and scientific archaeological study go to this website. "Evidence for the Exodus from Egypt" Dramatic and spectacular evidence both for the Israelite sojourn in Egypt, the exodus, and the first Passover is the focus of the book I am now writing, entitled: Evidence of Israelites in Egypt from Joseph's Time until the Exodus and will contain an important contribution from ABR's Director of Research, Dr. Bryant Wood. biblearchaeology.org "British Museum & Evidence of Israelite Slavery in Egypt" www.aish.com |
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