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stalhandske 11-Jan-22, 22:19 |
 Vaccination etc<So the slurs Groper and tRump aren't common in your club? I bet I could poke around there for a bit and find even worse slurs, insults and unproven accusations. Don't try to demand I hold a standard you're not willing to hold yourself. > First, I don't see the logic here, which seems to be chidren's sandbox style. What has bee said about Trump in my club has nothing to do with what Arto wrote about the VP in yours. Yet, if we have to discuss Trump, everyone even a little knowledgeable knows that I actually demanded posters in my club not to use Groper or tRump, I even had people leave the club because of that. So, even if that argument is apparenty very suitable to you in this discussion, it is not based on fact! No, I didn't say 'typical', it must have been some echo. |
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stalhandske 11-Jan-22, 22:24 |
Thumper The sandbox game again, plus confusing criticism with libel. |
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stalhandske 11-Jan-22, 22:29 |
<<That's the purpose of Covid 19 as designed, funded, and protected by Fauchi, Gates and a few others around the world. They want a world of 500 million, right? At least, that's what I have read.> Softaire should of course be the first to stand for this, but so far he has not. When softaire wonders about why I am not member of NG, the answer is precisely here: I won't be member of a club where founders/moderators have completely unfounded views such as this! |
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pawntificator 12-Jan-22, 04:40 |
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity. Unite humanity with a living new language. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. Balance personal rights with social duties. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature. |
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It is true that ignorance is bliss and allows one to make sweeping generalizations while making errors in reasoning about those things. |
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dmaestro 12-Jan-22, 07:22 |
Antivaxxers are so desperate to avoid the vaccine they are now spreading and paying to get Covid so they have “natural immunity”. I’d rather let nature cull them from the population! |
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stalhandske 12-Jan-22, 07:41 |
LOL. Common knowledge? This constriuction by a local nut? You cannot be serious. <I wonder how it is that one person can be so judgmental about other people and their beliefs while being so ignorant of the things they are judgmental about? > Softaire: what is it I am/was ignorant about? That stone 'monument' in Georgia? Some of you Americans are really looking only at your own navel, as if you were the centre of the world. I still have absolutely no concrete of real backing of the below statement of yours. The 500 million is the only thing explained, and turns out to be an inscription on a stone in Georgia. GREAT <<That's the purpose of Covid 19 as designed, funded, and protected by Fauchi, Gates and a few others around the world. They want a world of 500 million, right? At least, that's what I have read.>> |
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dmaestro 12-Jan-22, 10:02 |
Their racist, white Christian nationalist hero Tucker Carlson is lying again. But that’s who these conservatives believe, not scientists. Expecting them to question anything their right wing heroes say is asking too much. |
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dmaestro 12-Jan-22, 10:25 |
Forget about science—conservatives have their own, “alternative science”! |
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dmaestro 12-Jan-22, 14:28 |
Thumper Let’s see—you all denied Covid was deadly enough to warrant restrictions; you denied global warming despite melting ice conservapedia.com and evolution. www.nature.com. That puts you in synch with antiscience outliers. I know enough science not to be fooled by right wing hoaxes and conspiracies. So the more correct response is I don’t know as much about conservative “science”. Like the ridiculous attacks on the theory of relativity. conservapedia.com Like everything else our science is far too different from yours; but only one is factually correct and it’s not yours! |
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thumper 12-Jan-22, 17:18 |
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stalhandske 12-Jan-22, 19:48 |
Thumper and Softaire <<<That's the purpose of Covid 19 as designed, funded, and protected by Fauchi, Gates and a few others around the world. They want a world of 500 million, right? At least, that's what I have read.> is actually your serious opinion. I had thought earlier that it is just a set of routine phrases meant to mark your position as different from 'the democrat side'. That is what angered me in the past and the reason I have used aggressive language and statements. I therefore apologise for the 'hard words' that I have uttered. But, in the same breath, I am very interested in the source, or basis, or backing, of those opinions. I mean - that statement actually includes several quite fundamental opinions, such as 1) 'the purpose of covid 19 as designed' quite explicitly means that the virus that is now the cause of a pandemic was constructed by some individuals and/or organisations to cause the pandemic. 2) Dr. Antony Fauci is part of this, which probably must be called a conspiration 3) Bill Gates 'and a few others around the world' are behind it at least financially ('funded') 4) The aim of this conspiracy is to 'adjust' the world to a population of only 0.5 billion people 5) Hence, the conspiracy is to introduce a powerful virus pandemic in order to reduce the world's population to a number that is 'sustainable'. Since misunderstandings are very cmmon in these threads, please do correct me if anyone or all of the above five points is a wrong interpretation of your statement. |
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Stalh Why do you think the assumptions you list are false? Why do you think the view/post I made is either true or false? What gives you that idea? Do you think that Gates has not expressed those views? Do you think the idea that the world population should be 500 million has not been presented? Do you think Fauchi has not authorized funds to go to China to do the research? Do you think that the Covid was hatched naturally in a wet market in China by bats? You seem to be implying that your 5 assumptions are not true, nor could they be. Is that what you are saying? What is it that you are saying? |
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stalhandske 12-Jan-22, 21:15 |
Softaire But ASSUMING you think they are true, all I wanted was to get some backing for them. In adddition, to be perfectly clear, let me reply to all of your questions: <Why do you think the assumptions you list are true?> I never said they were true. I said they follow from your statement, and asked you if that is right. <Why do you think the assumptions you list are false?> I don't think anything about them; I only ask you to give the backing and support for those statements. <Why do you think the view/post I made is either true or false? What gives you that idea?> Ohhh, I think I don't understand that. In my opinion it has to be either true or false. <Do you think that Gates has not expressed those views?> What views? This is exactly what I'd like to know. Exactly what views has Gates expressed? <Do you think the idea that the world population should be 500 million has not been presented?> The only evidence for that so far that I have seen is a text on some stone in Georgia. <Do you think Fauchi has not authorized funds to go to China to do the research?> I actually happen to know that the Chinese virus lab received research grants from USA, and that the research was done (and published) together with US scientists. What is wrong with that? <Do you think that the Covid was hatched naturally in a wet market in China by bats?> That is the most likely cause of events based on all research so far. Yet, it could also have been based on a mistake in the lab. At any rate, that is way different from an intentional construction in the way your statement suggests. <You seem to be implying that your 5 assumptions are not true, nor could they be. Is that what you are saying?> I already said that those 5 statements follow directly from your original statement. If you disagree, please say so. I am just discussing the issue and assuming those 5 statements do reflect what you wanted to say, I asked you to provide for evidence. |
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Stalh In this case, I think there is ample evidence around to suspect that Gates has made those statements and there are people who think it a good idea to reduce the world population to 500 million. Saying that does not imply that the poster either believes it or does not believe it. I think that most scientists, politicians, and newscasters now believe that the virus was engineered in a Chinese lab and got out into the world from there. That is now a quite common theme. A highly specialized lab designed to do gain-of-function research in China, that has been funded by Fauchi and the American taxpayer, is obviously more likely to be the source than is a wet market right next door to it that spontaneously combusts a new virus. Saying that does not mean the poster either believes it to be true or believes it to not be true. Doing the research does not necessarily imply bad motives. It could all be well-intentioned. However, doing that research is dangerous and mankind is known to sometimes be careless and have problems with even well intentioned-projects. Doing the research also means that there could be ill intentions. The release of the virus has caused millions of deaths around the world. It could be used as a bio-weapon, could it not? Is it possible, in your mind, that somebody who was aware of that research might possibly look at it as a method of bringing down the world population or as a weapon against your competitors for world supremacy? Is that not a possibility to you? |
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Anybody who knows how to read the truth is aware that a pandemic has been considered eminent for a couple decades and that corona virus was one of the front runner candidates for the outbreak. And anybody who reads or cares to seek the truth knows that China had a non-pandemic outbreak of corona virus that infected humans somewhere around 2012 and that the Wuhan Lab was heavily involved with worldwide preventive research, And anybody who reads knows that Obama's virology experts fully warned trump of the potential for a pandemic and that trump decided to ignore and/or laugh/lie about it because it didn't fit his agenda. And anybody who reads knows that Wuhan is one of the top virology research labs in the world, so why not fund them --- Just like China likely helps fund top research labs in America and other research labs throughout the world. And anybody who reads knows that we STILL don't know where covid 19 originated, but that a bat cave or the Wuhan Lab are both possibilities and that either could have infected the Wuhan Fish Market. And anybody who reads knows that human population growth is a pestilence like problem, but that NOBODY of sound mind argues a max of 500 million humans on earth unless they write Syfi stories. |
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stalhandske 13-Jan-22, 06:55 |
Softaire <In this case, I think there is ample evidence around to suspect that Gates has made those statements and there are people who think it a good idea to reduce the world population to 500 million. Saying that does not imply that the poster either believes it or does not believe it.> If there is indeed ample evidence of this, why don't you show it? <I think that most scientists, politicians, and newscasters now believe that the virus was engineered in a Chinese lab and got out into the world from there. That is now a quite common theme.> The trouble here is that you don't realise the difference between 'engineered on purpose in order to cause a pandemic' and technical work in a virology laboratory that might (note MIGHT) have resulted in the covid product that was mistakenly released. |
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Bill Gates truths Bill Gates does warn about out of control population growth. www.weforum.org And Bill Gates DID warn about a potential 30 million death pandemic in 2017. www.forbes.com |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 09:12 |
Fauci was struggling to deal with a pandemic Trump messed up badly so he tried to shift attention to WHO and China as if fixing blame when the escapees horse needs to be caught first. www.google.com Conservatives hardened their views because initially it was democratic cities who had the most dying. Now it’s causing more right wing deaths but they are stuck in their propaganda. Time for more Herman Cain awards Experience shows punishment motivates the antivaxxers more than reason: www.google.com. That’s where I am at—zero tolerance with them. |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 09:26 |
Only by zero tolerance for and strong sanctions on the growing antivaxx conspirators and their lies will we be able to effectively deal with pandemics and bio-attacks. |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 10:56 |
This is just how conservatives think and how they look for a few minorities who will toe their pandemic line. They won’t change. Better they just live with their own kind. We can expect many Herman Cain awards to follow. |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 12:00 |
I favor just letting nature deal with antivaxxers, and cull them from the gene pool, but zero tolerance for their disease spreading. No vaxx just stay away; keep to your own kind. Let them win their cherished Herman Cain awards. A society that doesn’t deal with such a cancer deserves to fail. No responsibility freedom is the casualty. |
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DM Cain was diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer that had metastasized to his liver. It's reported that Cain died from COVID-19 on July 30, 2020, at the age of 74. Very convenient. A conservative dies of stage IV metastasized colon cancer that's attributed as a 'covid related death' and the first thing the left does is to laugh with glee and mockery at the propaganda prospect. You show your true colors. |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 14:35 |
Thumper Of course that is not true, only the usual right wing propaganda you take as Gospel. That’s exactly why we mock the deluded fools who died of miainformation just like Cain who refused to protect himself with the Herman Cain award. At some point you all will see we are so different and thus discussions so fruitless due to lack of common facts and values mockery is all that’s left. Right wing sites mock Democrats relentlessly but you think it’s because you have the truth on your side. Mockery and dismissal of opponents is widespread now and it’s the next phase headed toward conflict. When you just can’t reach any common ground anymore, why not? You’ve just exhausted the patience of those tired of the endless nonsense about the pandemic. I would tell tell a dying Cain to his face if he were alive he was a silly dupe filled with false pride, and brought about his own death for a lie. That’s his legacy, nothing to be proud of. Sorry but you all bet on the wrong horse and always will it seems. |
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DM We both know this and yet here you are again parroting their propaganda. |
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dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 17:49 |
Cain was high risk but he didn’t die of cancer he chose to go unmasked in a crowd. So he’d still be here if he had acted responsibly. I condemn and mock that duoe. There is no point in discussing this—your right wing sources will always be different. What you are beginning to see in this country is giving up on useless discussions and hardening anger and mockery from all sides. If enough of you acquire the Herman Cain award at this point let it be. www.nytimes.com We are headed for conflict and this is just the next stage. |
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