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dmaestro 12-Jan-22, 15:13	America RIP poll.qu.edu 58% of Americans think our traditional democracy will collapse. 53% of Americans expect divisions to continue to get worse; and that there will be another J6. Time to accept reality—we are just too different and that is that. It’s nice to be vindicated by the mainstream after over a decade of mockery of my analysis. Let the chickens come home to roost for an arrogant, angry nation that richly deserves to fail!
thumper 12-Jan-22, 17:30	You're the guy standing on the tracks predicting that a train will eventually come by. Wow, what prescience. Seriously though, who do you think will survive the collapse you've wished for? I have a good guess and apparently your AI won't be harvesting the crops anytime soon.
dmaestro 13-Jan-22, 08:13	www.fastcompany.com Without reversing the rapid decline in social cohesion you can’t maintain a pluralistic democratic society for long. And there’s no trend to do so or agreement on how to do it. We are as divided as in 1860. America is too arrogant and divided to change. So let America suffer her fate. RIP.
pawntificator 13-Jan-22, 22:58	democratic society? Good luck with that. You are delighted to see your evil plans coming to fruition. You won't be so delighted if they finally do. I won't be either, but at least I'll live through it.
dmaestro 14-Jan-22, 11:22	www.npr.org Are you kidding? Both America and China are arrogant and competing for domination for their version of democracy; but neither system is a model and the USA is no friend of democracy, but a threat to it. We are stuck in a war between empires. MAGA showed the world America’s true imperialist colors. The world isn’t fooled by the idiots who claim America is respected—its feared. Enough Americans see the sad truth about America to protest but not enough to stop the conflict and our rigged system gives you deplorables too much powe. But America as it is deserves to fail due to your sides evil. Let it be…
dmaestro 16-Jan-22, 23:10	news.google.com More vindication.
dmaestro 17-Jan-22, 18:11	www.google.com America IS a failed state. We know the GOP plans payback after the midterms. Impeachment of Biden and Harris, 100% rejection of Biden appointments, rejection of every Biden proposal, etc. With their lock on the Electoral College and demoralized divided Democrats their chances of electing Trump Avis. controlling all branches not just the SCOTUS by 2024 election are very high. This time they will proceed with their plan to use every tool of government to win the culture war by stealth and force, without facing a popular vote on the issues they would lose. The stupidity of Dems who failed to govern moderately and who couldn't see nothing they did or wanted to do can’t just be overturned will reap bitter fruit, but worse for them, if Dems don’t just arm and realize what the enemy has planned they will face a bloodbath. Hell hath no fury like Christian Nationalists and McCarthyists when they smell blood in the water.
thumper 17-Jan-22, 18:43	<America IS a failed state.> I guess that's why millions of people per year pass country after country trying to get here to this... "failed state".
dmaestro 19-Jan-22, 09:09	It’s better than living in many countries but for western style democracies it’s lower on happiness and fairness, and world polls show it’s not the beacon you claim. A failed divided nation in a cold civil war is what we have: news.google.com
dmaestro 19-Jan-22, 09:19	www.google.com It’s not happy people from happier lands flocking here. It’s more unhappy people for whom this is a step up.
thumper 19-Jan-22, 10:35	DM <It’s not happy people from happier lands flocking here. It’s more unhappy people for whom this is a step up.> That's true and thank God for that. The itty bitty little 'happy countries' of homogeneous populations tightly control immigrants and only let other homogeneous 'happy people' in. America lets 'unhappy, diverse and abused people' from all over the globe in. What does that say about those other countries? Only the 'homogeneously acceptable people' need apply? What other country on the planet has such a long waiting list of abused people wanting in than America? The answer is none. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
stalhandske 19-Jan-22, 20:36	Thumper <The itty bitty little 'happy countries' of homogeneous populations tightly control immigrants and only let other homogeneous 'happy people' in. America lets 'unhappy, diverse and abused people' from all over the globe in. What does that say about those other countries? Only the 'homogeneously acceptable people' need apply? What other country on the planet has such a long waiting list of abused people wanting in than America? The answer is none.> Once again, you are mistaken in this assessment although I do understand the frustration. The immigration problem is acute in Europe as well. The USA is not alone in that. The problems related to immigration are quite severe in Europe, too (including illegal immigration). And we have not solved the problem in any way better than has USA. Your point about the 'long waiting list' is no longer for America than it is for countries like Finland or Sweden, when normalised to the population. But, for sure, geography also matters. You have a very long border in the south towards a multitude of very poor countries.
dmaestro 20-Jan-22, 10:19	www.bbc.com The USA is simply too divided to solve any issues. Immigration is a complex and historic problem. www.google.com. Conservatives refuse to simply adopt the majority position on immigration. It’s the issue they depend on for votes and to bash Democrats so they won’t do anything. Solving border security isn’t just building a wall, but it’s their only answer. www.google.com That is the big problem. I see no agreement as possible because conservatives have undue clout under our system. The USA is not a democracy and it is too divided and this ungovernable as a psuedo democracy, it’s headed for conflict.
stalhandske 20-Jan-22, 20:36	<The USA is simply too divided to solve any issues. > That's just it! It is a fact recognised all over the world now. It is pathetic that the democratically elected governing body of the US of A, the Congress, cannot get ANYTHING done about ANYTHING! Just because there is a stalemate situation all the time, which is now 'secured' by some Democrat representatives who oppose the President. It is a shame, and the reason is the lack of a common pragmatic grip of issues - all of which can be solved by learnng, discussion, and compromise. Instead, there is this utterly naive fight for 'power', and belittling the other camp by grossly exaggerated scarecrows. It is not understood that continuing this situation is bad for the entire USA.
pawntificator 22-Jan-22, 03:59	You understand all of this now that a congress opposes a president who finally reveals that he is attempting totalitarianisms?
softaire 22-Jan-22, 06:29	"It is not understood that continuing this situation is bad for the entire USA." What is bad for the entire USA is: A large increase in crime, especially killings, because the Democrats foster "No Cash Bail", "allowing up to $950 theft (in California) without arrest", "reducing, removing, or defunding the police", "prosecutors who will not prosecute crimes", "emptying the jails" and otherwise favoring the criminals over the victims. Open borders that are allowing up to 2 million illegal aliens into the country without vetting for diseases or background checks for criminality and terrorism history, economic self-sufficiency. The large increase in drugs due to the open border. The large increase in homelessness due to the large increase in drugs brought across the newly open border and the government lack of enforcement of laws against homeless camps, pooping and peeing anywhere in public. The Sanctuary Cities and States where criminal illegal alien's are not deported, according to law, but are allowed back into the communities where they commit more crime. The large, quick inflation in the cost of everything due to supply chain issues, Covid mandates, and government spending. The increase in energy prices due to closing off supply lines, ending drilling for gas and oil, and asking OPEC to produce more energy. Covid mandates that shut down our companies and industries. Teaching race hatred in our elementary schools via CRT. These are all Democrat policies and procedures. No conservative are for them. They are harmful to the country. They should not be approved or condoned.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 07:54	Softaire <What is bad for the entire USA is: A large increase in crime, especially killings, because the Democrats foster "No Cash Bail", "allowing up to $950 theft (in California) without arrest", "reducing, removing, or defunding the police", "prosecutors who will not prosecute crimes", "emptying the jails" and otherwise favoring the criminals over the victims.> I wonder what the factual details are here. One thing is for sure, jailing people does not decrease crime, which has been shown over and over. Other measures must be thought of to reduce crime. Defunding etc. of police sounds crazy. Again, I wonder what the context is. The WHY. <Open borders that are allowing up to 2 million illegal aliens into the country without vetting for diseases or background checks for criminality and terrorism history, economic self-sufficiency.> Absolutely right! But, again, I cannot imagine that this is true, i.e. that the borders would actually be open. <The large increase in drugs due to the open border.> I have aksed this before. What exactly in border procedures has changed since Biden became president? <The large increase in homelessness due to the large increase in drugs brought across the newly open border and the government lack of enforcement of laws against homeless camps, pooping and peeing anywhere in public.> I am certain that this problem is much more multifaceted than due only to illegal immigration. A large number of homeless people is almost a landmark of USA and has been so for decades. <The Sanctuary Cities and States where criminal illegal alien's are not deported, according to law, but are allowed back into the communities where they commit more crime.> I agree with this, and I have suggested clear ways to change it. Give a date before which illegals must report. Accept those who have not done any crimes; deport all others without pardon. <The large, quick inflation in the cost of everything due to supply chain issues, Covid mandates, and government spending.> This is a very complicated issue, and hardly the result of liberal decisions only. <The increase in energy prices due to closing off supply lines, ending drilling for gas and oil, and asking OPEC to produce more energy.> This is a problem, but so is the climate change. Compromises here could do wonders, especially since changes in energy production technology could give a lot of job and business opportunities. <Covid mandates that shut down our companies and industries.> Yet another very diffiuclt problem where reasonable compromises would be necessary. <Teaching race hatred in our elementary schools via CRT.> I have been told that CRT is not taught in US elementary schools. I don't myself have a very high regard for this 'subject', even though the principles behind it are valid and interesting. Yet, it is a difficult academic project worth exploring on that level, but not suitable for elementary schools.
dmaestro 22-Jan-22, 15:41	Everything Softaire said is at best half truths, out of context. So why bother? For just one example: All CRT said is obvious—even if you ended racism today the consequences are imbedded in the system. Black wealth and the social connections with the powerful that give the rich an edge are far less. CRT is just another McCarthyist boogie man; and it is frankly far too nuanced and complex for simple minded rigid thinking conservatives to understand, but it’s not taught in grade school or high school. Conservatives know that fairness requires addressing this so they pretend CRT is reverse racism. And so on…research proves what Softaire said is just BS. But that’s why we are headed for conflict—sadly over lies.
softaire 22-Jan-22, 16:47	Just as an aside so Stalh can see how DM denigrates and demeans conservatives EVERY time he posts. Stalh... how can the divisiveness ever subside when we see this every post? "CRT is just another McCarthyist boogie man; and it is frankly far too nuanced and complex for simple minded rigid thinking conservatives to understand... " But to DM's post... we just had an election in Virginia where the race-baiting Democrats have been pushing CRT in the schools there. Former Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe said that he didn't think parents should have any say in their kids education. He lost to Republican Glenn Youngkin. I don't know for sure what those schools are teaching but I'll bet that the parents do and they are/were not happy about it. I'd trust that they know better than DM.
thumper 22-Jan-22, 17:18	Softie It's always funny to me when DM throws about terms like, 'research shows' and 'polls indicate', trying to give himself an air of authority and credibility while claiming to be a neutral analyst. If he actually is an 'analyst' I would say he's just a payed political analyst/propagandist in the employ of a leftist group dedicated to furthering the socialist agenda. In any case it's entertaining to read his highly biased and one sided 'analyses'.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 20:29	Thumper <In any case it's entertaining to read his highly biased and one sided 'analyses'.> Just as it is wonderful and entertaining for an objective outsider to read your analyses as they show no bias or sidedness, but pure adherence to established fact.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 20:40	Softaire <Just as an aside so Stalh can see how DM denigrates and demeans conservatives EVERY time he posts. Stalh... how can the divisiveness ever subside when we see this every post?> Don't you see how that applies precisely to you (and Thumper) as well? Except that one needs to replace 'conservatives' with 'liberals' of course. Seriously, I have tried hard to provide some real 'neutral ground' in the spirit of another club here at GK, but slowly I have come to realise that my efforts are all wasted. So just continue with your 'game' - I no longer give a damn.
pawntificator 22-Jan-22, 21:43	I honestly think a discussion on the treatment of different people around the world could be useful. Unfortunately, nobody wants to look at the problem globally. For some reason the USA has to be the focus.
thumper 22-Jan-22, 21:54	Nothing America is the most powerful country on the planet so America is the target. America must be the target... hello.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 22:08	<America is the most powerful country on the planet so America is the target. America must be the target... > True in part. Not because it is the most powerful, but really - because of that and the large population - it is the most influential. Here on GK, it is just a natural result of the vast majority of GK members (and the club itself) being American. What is unclear to me is 'a discussion on the treatment of different people around the world ', viz. what is meant by that. Please, clarify.
thumper 22-Jan-22, 22:24	Stål Didn't you just call him an idiot?
dmaestro 22-Jan-22, 22:41	There are problems with diversity education. But polls clearly show conservatives do not even understand CRT and it’s NOT being generally taught. www.google.com. We are in a cold culture war and no truce is coming. Their next target is action civics. www.google.com It will always be something as we are too different. The pandemic clearly shows that—it is the last atraw. Softaire’s list is complete BS. Once you realize Conservatives believe as many lies as they do on so many subjects and will cling to them regardless, why bother when there are no common facts on which to base discussions? It’s nor worth it and we are headed for conflict. Sorry for those who hope to mediate but when you can’t agree on fact or values and all you see is the same BS from the same folks nothing works.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 22:47	Thumper <Didn't you just call him an idiot? > An unnecessary question. As you can read, I called idiots all who name people who support vaccination 'drug addicts'
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 22:51	Deleted by stalhandske on 22-Jan-22, 22:53.
stalhandske 22-Jan-22, 22:53	Thumper ..but where do YOU stand? Do you agree about calling people drug addicts when they support vaccination? More appropriately, do you agree that those people are 'drug addicts'? Judging by history, I am pretty sure you will not take a clear stand.
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