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pawntificator 26-Jan-22, 02:45 |
 Forced compliance through involuntary psychoactive medicationyoutu.be |
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pawntificator 26-Jan-22, 02:47 |
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pawntificator 26-Jan-22, 03:13 |
> people are bad > planet is getting warmer > more bad people have better access to more harmful means of destruction > we are a trajectory toward 'ultimate harm' because of bad people > 'ultimate harm' is defined as: 'Widespread death and suffering - so much that death may be preferable. The nearly total eradication of the species.' > in his words: 'the utility of preventing ultimate harm is greater than the risk of not doing anything' > if we can prevent something very bad from happening without sacrificing anything of comparable moral significance, we ought to do that thing. (Singer) |
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pawntificator 26-Jan-22, 03:13 |
> people are unlikely to trust the administrator > will be seen as assault in liberty > would better respect people's autonomy than an overt program > knowing your moral thoughts and intuitions have been manipulated is akin to hallucination > people will notice their new moral beliefs but will not have accompanying evidence for them > will undermine the justification if people know > will result in higher level of inequality because some will choose not to partake > the people who willingly choose not to partake are the ones who are the biggest risk and most in most need of enhancement |
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stalhandske 27-Jan-22, 03:24 |
To be short and blunt, Crutchfield's idea is that some people (including of course himself) understand 'things' much better than others. Therefore, those who understand should be allowed to lure the anyway stupid ones because it is the best for them. Why is it that there is something from a distant past that knocks on my door and demands entry? This is the sort of thing that would never even be considered in a society where people are educated to believe in and honour facts. I am dead certain that it won't be consdered in the US of A, EXCEPT in one shape: As an example for the far right about how bad the far left is, as seen in the above posts. I must emphasise that such ideas are NOT ideas of the left, not even the far left. If you look at it more carefully, you will suddenly realise (from history) that such ideas were typical of the far right in the 30s and 40s. So, the ONLY really bad thing about such 'analyses' is NOT that they would be taken seriously by anyone, but that they are USED by American far rightists as lures..... |
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pawntificator 28-Jan-22, 00:39 |
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stalhandske 28-Jan-22, 02:22 |
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forced psychoactive medication It also appears that Stalh appreciates Dr Crutchfield's corrupted ideals better than most, and I agree with stalh that this matter has been made political by the right and that it is definitely NOT a plan of the left. And to suggest that it somehow parallels actions by the left to control covid (vaccinees, social distancing and masks) is pure right wing everyday BULL. |
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dmaestro 28-Jan-22, 09:37 |
It’s a good thing for America George Washington understood freedom isn’t always free and requires responsibility and focus on the greater good: www.loc.gov |
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dmaestro 28-Jan-22, 09:58 |
This is an example of what the conservatives intend when they seize power in their own words: www.wnd.com. Keep in mind solid majorities support freedom of choice but as we know conservatives openly despise democracy if it doesn’t go their way. Power over others is their goal. It’s obvious if you study their leaders and influencers. What you learn from years of discussions and analysis of conservatives is they are hypocritical on project their own need for power on opponents but fascism is in their DNA which is why they are so quick to accuse others. Our divisions are too great and the conservative threat to the rest of us real to ignore any longer. That’s why I write them all off as hopeless now and want a divorce. |
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dmaestro 28-Jan-22, 10:15 |
Thumper You see, I realize that for their time the framers were remarkably wise despite human flaws. Washington correctly predicted what partisanship would do to destroy this country and we are there now. Washington and the framers understood freedom has limits. Your sides dismissal of what it takes to defeat the pandemic under the guise of “freedom” is sufficient proof we are too different, end of story. Viruses just don’t care about you. It would be real vindication to see America collapse under a real bio attack which given your fifth column success in undermining us is where I would go if I was a jihadist. A divorce before that would be ideal. |
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dmaestro 29-Jan-22, 10:01 |
Kiss… Big bad trash talking right wing trooper thought he was all that. No vaxx needed. But he was no match for the virus when his number came up. I just hope nobody else who isn’t antvaxx got seriously from his stupidity. Another Herman Cain award. |
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stalhandske 29-Jan-22, 20:38 |
See? That's precisely the methodology of the American Right, which is why they know it so well. such as: -election fraud in the last presidential election -the Capitol invasion was not a violent surge led by white right-wing extremists -the covid-19 is an orchestrated pandemic, in order to decrease the human population, and supported by people like Gates, Soros etc -Bigfoot is real -scientific timing methods are unreliable Some of the more active alt-Rights will add: -vaccines against covid-19 aren't even vaccines -Earth is flat und so weiter......... |
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dmaestro 29-Jan-22, 22:16 |
Even the right wing sensationalist NY Post mediabiasfactcheck.com admits the antivaxxer trooper died of CoVid. nypost.com. That’s how deep the conservative are into conspiracies and reject proposals to focus on more reliable sources because they reject such sources and need alternate sources to back up their claims. As a result regardless of initial intent it would seem discussions can’t get anywhere past he said she said. |
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stalhandske 29-Jan-22, 22:22 |
dmaestro I agree that it certainly looks that way. Yet, I disagree, because - as I have repeatedly said - there is no dispute between American left and right that cannot be discussed and compromised - in my opinion. The problem is that neither side accepts any reasonable approach to peace, which - in its own way - is an example of America. The unfortunate part. |
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dmaestro 30-Jan-22, 00:27 |
Stal It’s ironic know it all conservatives deny all those people and police are dying of covid and that the vaxx is effective. So we see this once big and bad 50 year old antivaxx trooper felled not by that deadly vaxx he told officials to kiss his ass instead of taking, but by the virus he dismissed, so they have to deny covid got him or just say his number was up. I stand by my assertion we are just too different and just choose our tribe. I think attempts to mediate are well meaning but won’t work. |
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dmaestro 30-Jan-22, 00:47 |
Dump Spotify In the end I predict choices will be made and we will further segregate. I’d rather figure out how to survive the extremist threat than waste time seeking the mirage of unity when there just isn’t the foundation for it. |
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pawntificator 30-Jan-22, 19:47 |
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dmaestro 31-Jan-22, 09:43 |
Thumper I can’t change fate and our discussions are now exhausted in value. So as we head to the finale, at least I have the satisfaction of being correct about divisions and look forward to seeing your failed vision of America ultimately go up in smoke. When that happens we will see where I end up. |
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DM Probably hiding somewhere printing hundreds of underground 'revolution' flyers. |
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stalhandske 31-Jan-22, 21:50 |
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stalhandske 01-Feb-22, 22:11 |
It seems to me that representatives of 'the right' are very uptight about ANY possible and even small admissions. I will have to add that the same is true for most representatives of 'the left'. In chess this is called stalemate. When neither camp is capable of even small admissions, it is just about impossible to come to a compromise and solving these issues once and for all. Yet, I am an optimist and I think they CAN be solved as soon as there is true will in that direction, will that doesn't give a damn about traditional barriers! |
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Agreement or compromise are impossible With reasonable people it "might" be possible. But DM and his progs are not reasonable and they want to keep saying they are too different from reasonable people. He has talked himself into a stalemate and now he can't walk or talk his way out of it. |
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stalhandske 03-Feb-22, 05:34 |
nothing_exploded <Show him love but do not tolerate his abject emptiness. It's ok to stand up for what is true and right. He doesn't know what this means.> I will not tolerate these personal assessments without explanation or any backing. I think such acciúsations must not be made without expressed cause or reason. Please, let me know ASAP what you mean by saying I am fake. I am waiting..... |
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