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dmaestro 24-Feb-22, 16:44	Putin—Christian Nationalist unherd.com hir.harvard.edu It’s no coincidence many on the right and many Trumpers like white and Christian Nationalist Tucker Carlson support Putin. Putin is a recognized international Christian Nationalist and White Nationalist leader. What’s not to like?
thumper 24-Feb-22, 16:48	More troll posts from DM.
stalhandske 26-Feb-22, 22:29	Thumper Whatever your opinion on those quotes, I dont think dmaestro's post fits the definition of trolling, or then I have compleletly misunderstood the trolling concept. It would be much better to respond to the presented data.
dmaestro 04-Mar-22, 13:17	www.yahoo.com The noted pro Putin apologist Tucker, who like many Trumpers loves Putin’s style and culture war agenda, is somehow “surprised” Putin, ex KGB, did what he’s been doing since 2008, seizing lands by force. So now they are blaming Biden. I think Tucker deserves one way ticket to Russia where he will have a captive audience if he toes the Kremlin line. Those who call it trolling just chose to ignore the popularity of Putin among Trumpers and the international right. After all — “why Ukraine”.
stalhandske 04-Mar-22, 13:24	dmaestro Those statements and opinions by Tucker are completely absurd! Just as absurd as the official news now in Russia that all the problems are instigated by the Ukrainians.
dmaestro 04-Mar-22, 13:50	www.foxnews.com Tucker has the largest TV News audience in the USA. Millions of Trumpers hang on his every word as gospel however idiotic. His silly claims Putin is the good guy and we are just trained to hate him belong on RT. Putin of course takes full advantage of it: www.newsweek.com   Ironic given the fate of dissent under Putin.
pawntificator 06-Mar-22, 10:04	twitter.com
dmaestro 10-Mar-22, 16:03	www.yahoo.com Yes we know those in the pro-Putin apologist and Russian based conspiracy pushing movement like Nothing are working hard to destroy our freedoms using propaganda and demonize the Ukrainians who only want western style freedoms. How dare they? Zelinsky is a thug and Putin is here to save us from “wokeness” which is, not dictators, the greatest threat to humanity.   I hope Putin pays you well…
dmaestro 10-Mar-22, 16:17	nypost.com Putin has dissenters killed. Here we tolerate the 5th column of Putin apologists for now. As we approach WW3 it’s time to ask why.
thumper 10-Mar-22, 17:25	DM What are you talking about?
dmaestro 10-Mar-22, 19:40	www.thewrap.com The Putin neo fascist wing of the GOP. Which Nothing supports. Other than pointing that out I will never engage Nothing.
thumper 10-Mar-22, 20:32	DM You did yet another fly-by on me. I've never heard of the Republican Party supporting Putin. Are you lost in the weeds again?
pawntificator 10-Mar-22, 22:36	He's trying to help start WWIIV
pawntificator 10-Mar-22, 22:42	www.youtube.com
pawntificator 10-Mar-22, 22:48	rumble.com Here is a very interesting documentary on Ukraine produced by Oliver Stone in 2016.
pawntificator 10-Mar-22, 22:50	oops not that one this one rumble.com
dmaestro 11-Mar-22, 10:11	Thunper For years I have posted links showing the admiration for Putin among some right wing culture warriors and alt right forces. Since 2014 when Russia began its open influence war in response to the realization most Ukrainians didn’t want to be controlled by Russia it’s been an endless stream of propaganda and the pro-Trump Russian meddling is widely attributed to revenge for opposing Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine. So now we have the Putin wing of the GOP thehill.com praising his cultural values and spreading obvious Russia propaganda that Zelensky is a fascist thug and the old Russia bio labs are actually creates by the USA. Many of You righties appear to be so adapted to seeing that propaganda you can’t see the pattern. That’s too bad but the Russians are supreme at undermining free countries with targeted propaganda. What we won’t do is directly engage obvious Russian dupes like Nothing who has been pushing the Russian line for years via his conspiracy sources. That’s a waste of time.
dmaestro 11-Mar-22, 10:17	For example www.conservapedia.com and www.wnd.com as warned of here: www.politico.com Anyone who still believes that crap is just as bad as the pro-Nazi appeasers before WW2 and it’s a waste of time to discuss anything with them.
ace-of-aces 11-Mar-22, 14:33	Obama, Biden and HRC flirted first with Putin Make no mistakes. DM is trying to rewrite the history. The opposite is true. Remember the presidential race between Mitt Romney and Obama who mocked him when Romney said Russia is a real threat to US and world security. youtu.be When Obama became president, he sent Secretary of state Hillary Clinton with a reset gift button to Russian foreign minister Lavrov. The trio, Obama, Biden and HRC expressed their opinion that they really trusted Putin. They also strongly believed at that time that, there would be a rosy path with Putin and his cabinet will follow human rights/democracy strictly. What we see nowadays is opposite of what they have believed before. ----------------- The following is an excerpt from that website. DM, please read carefully and tell us who is making the real crap? (7 Mar 2009) SHOTLIST 1. Clinton presenting Lavrov with gift; "reset" button, Lavrov and Clinton pressing button together to "reset" US-Russian relations, UPSOUND: (English) Clinton: "I wanted to present you with a little gift which represents what President Obama and Vice President Biden and I have been saying and that is: 'We want to reset our relationship." Lavrov: "Let's do it together." Clinton: "So we will do it together." Lavrov: "Thank you very much." Clinton: "We worked hard to get the right Russian word. Do you think we got it?" Lavrov: "You got it wrong, it should be 'perezagruzka', this says 'peregruzka' which means 'overcharged'. Clinton: "Well we won't let you do that to us, I promise." 2. Close of "reset" button STORYLINE A round of talks between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton may have turned out well, but their meeting in Geneva got off to an odd and awkward start. With reporters looking on, Clinton met Lavrov and handed him a gift - a green box tied in green ribbon. He unwrapped it to reveal a "reset button," a lighthearted reminder of Vice President Joe Biden's recent remark that the administration of US President Barack Obama is hitting the reset button with Russia after years of friction during the Bush administration. The trouble was, the Russian-language label the Americans put on top of the button had the wrong word. Before she realised the mistake, Clinton assured Lavrov her staff had "worked hard" to get it right. Was it right? she inquired with a smile. "You got it wrong," Lavrov responded, also smiling. He said the word the Americans chose - "peregruzka" - meant "overloaded" or "overcharged" rather than "reset". Clinton quickly retorted with: "well, we won't let you do that to us, I promise". It was an embarrassment for the Americans, but in front of the cameras, the two pushed the button together to show they share a desire for improved relations. The subsequent meeting between the two produced no announced breakthrough, in arms control or other issues, but it seemed to set the stage for a new beginning in US-Russian relations. Clinton finished off her week-long European debut tour with a trip to Turkey on Saturday.
dmaestro 12-Mar-22, 10:06	The fact is that after Bush promised a “humble” American foreign policy but didn’t deliver. When “looked into Putin’s soul” and didn’t realize KGB experts can fake that, his Mideast wars simply and WMD hoax gave Putin a pretext to start his own wars and after taking part of Georgia relations badly soured. What Obama folks hoped for was a “reset” based on winding down America wars and more emphasis on peace and diplomacy but they were not naive about Putin and realized Medvedev who had just taken Putin’s top position temporarily from 2008 to 2012 was more of a Puppet, but that he might be open to a reset. That hope failed rapidly. Putin knows very well the USA is becoming hopelessly divided so he chose to exploit that instead. The China-Russia alliance of common interest in defeating the USA is a real threat: www.foxnews.com why the Putin apologists rampant on the right who are basically traitors are such a threat: www.yahoo.com.
ace-of-aces 12-Mar-22, 10:24	Who is the real puppet of Putin? This is the narrative from other club. DJT is a PUPPET of Putin. Don't you see the danger here.??? This is not just a War of Bombs and Bullets. It is a 'War of Misinformation' Deadly. youtu.be Obama was caught telling Russian President Medvedev that he was very flexible in his decision in favor of Putin. The situation was before Obama's second term election. Obama was unaware that the mic. was still on. Putin did not want short range nuclear tipped missiles in NATO countries close to his border. If Obama gave it away to Putin's demand before presidential election, US voters would believe that he was very weak to Russian aggression and fewer voters would result. After second term election, it did not matter because US Presidents can serve only 2 terms. This is in sharp contrast to very honest and sincere Democrat President Jimmy Carter. Iran held American embassy hostages. He sacrificed his chance of second term re-election by not responding with strong military response against Iran and let GOP president Ronald Reagan took over.
dmaestro 13-Mar-22, 16:06	www.rferl.org The attempt to reset based on hopes of change after Putin put Medvedev as a placeholder fell apart. The issue is America since Bush 41 put 30 years of failed and incompetent effort into assuming Russia would democratize and seek peace over time due to economic ties. Putin is simply a crime boss at heart as Obama said. Trump and his Putin wing praising and pandering to Putin, trying to end NATO, and blocking arms aid to Ukraine because they didn’t help him get Biden on trumped up lies certainly did nothing to deter Putin. Who is and remains what Biden said: a killer. We just don’t need any more Neville Chamberlains today.
softaire 13-Mar-22, 16:22	DM Did you even watch the link that you provided? That's not what is going on. And, you still have Trump in your head? How can that be? It wasn't during Trump's four years that Crimea was stolen by Putin and it wasn't during Trump's four years that Ukraine is being destroyed. It wasn't in Trump's four years that a real nuclear war is being threatened. It WAS during an election debate that Obama mocked Mitt Romney for saying that Russia is our biggest geo-political foe. Who is looking really stupid and ineffective now? The only two worse that Obama are HRC and Biden. It WAS at a nuclear summit, as the link relates, that Obama promised to behave and comply with Putin demands saying that after his re-election he could be more flexible. That is why we have an unrestrained Puting threatening a nuclear war if we don't comply now.
dmaestro 14-Mar-22, 11:01	amp.theguardian.com Your HERO Tucker Carlson is a Putin apologist and it’s well known. Tokyo Carlson is a disgrace. abcnews.go.com If you all could comprehend nuances and what Obama actually meant for once you would see that Obama is saying an election year in polarized America is a bad time for difficult negotiations. He was correct—just look at the divisions over how to deal with Russia’s Ukraine threats. Obama is saying Putin needs to cool his pressure and give him space if he wants serious talks and that he knows Putin not Medvedev is really in charge—it’s a warning to Putin. You all hate Obama so much you can’t think straight. What you don’t admit is that after Russia took Crimea by force in 2014 and before that kept Assad in power it was evident no reset was possible. Trump benefited from Russian election interference, divided America worse than ever, and weakened our European alliances as well as praising Putin over and over. That is NOT deterrence to Putin—it’s enabling. Try looking at Fiat Lux where they actually have international and sophisticated analysis of the Ukraine war not lots of propaganda. This is just another topic where it’s obviously a waste of time here.
softaire 14-Mar-22, 11:18	Another thing hat enabled and encouraged Putin was the "RED LINE" over chemical weapons that Obama told puting he should not cross and that we would NOT accept in Syria. When Putin crossed the Obama Red Line, nothing was done. WHO is the Putin puppet now?
dmaestro 14-Mar-22, 15:10	Are you kidding? Your partisan fake history isn’t worth my time.The GOP said Obama was weak on Putin then cut him off at the knees when he set the Red Line on chemical weapons. There was no groundswell of conservative support for actually stopping Assad—had the GOP united in stopping Assad more could have been done. www.theatlantic.com. It did force Russia Ana Syria to destroy some weapons. www.politico.com amp.cnn.com The sad fact is the days of unity in foreign policy are gone and it’s all about domestic political advantage. Many conservatives (the same ones you think are so wise) admire and excuse Putin. www.mediaite.com Putin knows that he has a large right wing 5th column here who hate democrats more than him. Live your illusion dude.
thumper 14-Mar-22, 15:28	I don't know where you get your talking points but the conservatives that I know of detest Putin to a man. Many seriously want to kick his ass while many others don't want America to get into yet another foreign war. I know of no one, not a single person, who 'admires' Putin. It seems you're just making stuff up in your quest to create/fabricate a talking point in order to trump up some kind of political advantage. Pitiful.
softaire 14-Mar-22, 17:24	DM has spun every event into a Trump Bashing, GOP bashing, and right-wing or even right-leaning person bashing while twisting and contorting the Democrat views into nonsensical misstatements and mistruths. Before Putin went into dementia, old age fabrications and hallucinations, he was a strong and steady influence. He was an autocrat and authoritarian dictator but Russia was not much more belligerent than we. Putin has joined with Biden in serious delusions and miscalculations. It is a shame that two powerful countries full of good people should be controlled/led by two such maniacs. And DM, for his part, seems to be as delirious and full of mistruths, fabrications, and illusions as they.
pawntificator 15-Mar-22, 00:39	I heard the US wasn't happy about soviet military buildup on their borders. Something about Cuba. I wonder if Russia hasn't worried about the same sort of thing from NATO on their border.
dmaestro 15-Mar-22, 08:51	Nobody said Trump was solely responsible. There have been 30 years of errors. The fact is Putin got his position by a brutal war in Chechnya. en.m.wikipedia.org and hasn’t changed his plans to take over neighbors. The point is Trump’s endorsement of Putin’s efforts to get him in office, his praise of Putin and his undermining of our European alliances aligned with Putin’s goals and was not a deterrent like you claim. That is not to say Biden did everything right but Putin’s goal of taking Ukraine never changed. Ukraine was never the aggressor nor do they want to attack Russia the majority just want to not be controlled by Putin. That has no relevance to Cuba or Putin’s fake pretext. I won’t waste time with Putin stooges and their fake history who simply aid Putin’s goals. It’s interesting how Russia has been so successful at creating division. I think this shows if Russia, China, Iran and NK align to target the USA in an ongoing influence and cyber war America will lose as experts fear. The chickens are coming home. That’s why more Democrats would rather just leave than defend a failed right wing ruined country with a growing 5th column.
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