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ace-of-aces
03-Jan-21, 12:43

Trump versus Hillary Clinton, who is lying more ?
youtu.be
Hillary Clinton was a presidential candidate against Trump in 2016 election. The opinion polls at that time showed that HRC was a bigger liar compared to Trump. She can bark like a dog which is trained to detect the liar and the liar will be exposed of the lies. Please watch the above youtube video which appears to be funny but I believe it is true that she lied more than Trump could lie.

Trump has nothing to do with the taxes he might owe prior to becoming POTUS. IRS has had audited Trump's taxes several times. If he is found any wrong doings by IRS audits, he can be presented and judged by the court of law. If somebody was affected by Trump's tax evasion, he/she had enough time to sue him at the court prior to his presidency. Nothing of this kind of lawsuits even happened. Everybody is presumed innocent until it is proven otherwise by the court of law.

Compared to Trump's tax records, Hunter Biden's tax evasion appears to be real. We now know that he earned several million dollars in Burisma oil + gas company and in China as a consultant. Most likely, he did not report those earnings when he filed his taxes. IRS acknowledged that he is under investigation for tax evasion.





lord_shiva
03-Jan-21, 12:56

Opinion Polls
Nonsense, Ace. I'm not aware of any lies Hillary told--though will concede she likely told some.

No one can compete with Trump in terms of overall lying--now 25,000 just since lying about the size of his inauguration.

What did Trump call Hillary? Crooked Hillary. Not Lying Hillary. Ted Cruz was "Lying Ted." The same Ted Cruz whose wife Trump called a dog, and claimed Ted's father was involved in the JFK assassination plot.

LOL.

"Trump has nothing to do with the taxes he might owe?" That is not the stupidest thing you have ever written, which is actually kind of surprising given the magnitude of stupidity you achieved with this comment.

It is a bald faced lie that Hunter earned millions from Burisma. He was paid a total of $400,000 over the course of several years. If he failed to pay taxes on that--throw the book at him. It is highly doubtful his father will pardon him, unlike Trump who has inquired about pardoning all his children as well as himself.
lord_shiva
03-Jan-21, 12:59

Legal Revisions
Any impeached president should be barred from running for any public office ever again.

A president should not be exempt from indictment, or otherwise above the law.

No president should ever be pardoned for any crime. Presidents are not above the law, but they SHOULD be above pardon. All federal office holders should be exempt from presidential pardons, as well as all of any president's immediate family.

We never had to consider such restrictions before Trump.
brigadecommander
03-Jan-21, 13:02

Once again
DT has tweeted that the verified fact that 0ver 350.000 Americans are now DEAD... IS 'Fake News'. When will this stop?
zorroloco
03-Jan-21, 13:10

Ace
“Hillary?”

Are you serious? You ARE serious!! Wtf. Man... just stop.... it’s embarrassing
bobspringett
03-Jan-21, 14:14

Stal 5:48
<I can somehow understand it (i.e., belief rather than evidence) among the mob, but with educated lawyers....????>

You make two mistakes here...

1. Lawyers are trained that their job is to argue their client's case, right or wrong. Ethics is something you hang in a frame in the waiting room, not in your office.

2. We have educated doctors in this club who show the same attitude (or worse), so education has little to do with it. It is about ethics.
bobspringett
03-Jan-21, 14:22

Ace 12:43
<Trump versus Hillary Clinton, who is lying more ?>

Golly, Ace!

I never realised that you had so much respect for Hilary's integrity!

You have even set her up as your yardstick for honesty, against whom all others are to be measured!
zorroloco
03-Jan-21, 16:09

Former Def Sec’s slam trump effort to subvert democracy
All 10 living former defense secretaries: Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory

As former secretaries of defense, we hold a common view of the solemn obligations of the U.S. armed forces and the Defense Department. Each of us swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We did not swear it to an individual or a party.

American elections and the peaceful transfers of power that result are hallmarks of our democracy. With one singular and tragic exception that cost the lives of more Americans than all of our other wars combined, the United States has had an unbroken record of such transitions since 1789, including in times of partisan strife, war, epidemics and economic depression. This year should be no exception.

Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived.

As senior Defense Department leaders have noted, “there’s no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of a U.S. election.” Efforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory. Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.

Transitions, which all of us have experienced, are a crucial part of the successful transfer of power. They often occur at times of international uncertainty about U.S. national security policy and posture. They can be a moment when the nation is vulnerable to actions by adversaries seeking to take advantage of the situation.
zorroloco
03-Jan-21, 16:10

Above letter by
Ashton Carter, Dick Cheney, William Cohen, Mark Esper, Robert Gates, Chuck Hagel, James Mattis, Leon Panetta, William Perry and Donald Rumsfeld are the 10 living former U.S. secretaries of defense.
stalhandske
03-Jan-21, 22:07

From Wikipedia, but recent "stuff"
<As of 3 January 2020, an hour-long phonecall between US President Donald Trump and Raffensperger took place, in which Raffensperger was purportedly pressured into changing the election results for the state of Georgia by the president. The incident has been reported by the NBC, The Washington Post, and ABC, among others.[44][45] The phone call included president Donald Trump attempting, albeit unsuccessfully, to pressure Raffensperger into overturning the election results, favoring Donald Trump. Trump has allegedly said "I just want 11,780 votes."[46] Raffensperger, who accepted audits and recounts in the state of Georgia, repeatedly denied Trump's attempts into pressuring him, and the taped call was leaked and made headlines across the US political scenery. Some senators have called for a criminal investigation of the case, while Carl Bernstein has called it "far worse than Watergate." because of the attempts of the president to pressure a secretary of state. It is still an ongoing issue.[47]>

What a great president you had!
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