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piero51 22-Mar-24, 11:28	Rating Manipulation "white-knight1 20-Mar-24, 19:02 Paradiesvogel has been removed from the wengern team." Very well! we continue to be vigilant and to inform the other Captains. Some players don't have to have it easy, we have to force them to leave gknot. Next. Piero IHS TEAM ITALIA
royal_knight1 25-Mar-24, 23:37	catseye and paradiesvogel are still without a team. I have noticed that when paradiesvogel was with team wengern that his ELO was 1442 and team rating was 1494 now his ELO is 1544 and team rating is 1494 since he is not playing for a team.
mikemate 26-Mar-24, 16:09	That's right and expected. His rating will probably level off near 1700 if he is not on a team. I have reason to believe that paradiesvoge was reported to Gameknot for rating manipulation. It is possible that both players mentioned above were acted upon by Gameknot. Banned from team games possibly.
mikemate 26-Mar-24, 16:18	Deleted by mikemate on 26-Mar-24, 18:08.
lord_shiva 26-Mar-24, 17:24	Christmas? You’re missing an L. Noel. The account remains active.
mikemate 26-Mar-24, 18:07	Oops. i often lose my L's. However, it remains that the account may be banned from team games.
mikemate 01-Apr-24, 08:38	Some years ago Gameknot told me their formula for determining rating manipulation. 1) At least 77 completed team games. 2) Team game winning % more than 10-20% higher than all game winning %. 3) Frankly, I cannot remember the 3rd, but #2 is very important. I don't think it had anything to do with team game rating (which is a very important statistic).
pmcmurphy 01-Apr-24, 08:53	Flawed Formula? To me, it does not seem like a good formula to follow blindly. Potentially, #2 is not all that difficult to achieve even without any rating manipulation if a player seeks out higher-rated opponents in non-team games. I think that in the past you told me what #3 was and mentioned that it was *very* difficult to achieve, even for a rating manipulator. I think #3 had something to do with having a higher team rating than overall rating.
mikemate 01-Apr-24, 09:02	Deleted by mikemate on 01-Apr-24, 09:02.
mikemate 01-Apr-24, 09:02	Glenn, I'm not sure that Gameknot would act on a player that simply met their formula. In other words, they may look for exactly what you just said. That formula may have addressed team game rating in #3.
pmcmurphy 01-Apr-24, 09:05	75 points? I think you told me that condition #3 was met if the player's team rating was 75 points higher than the player's overall rating. I am not certain that I am remembering #3 correctly. But I do recall thinking that it was an amazingly difficult bar to reach.
mikemate 01-Apr-24, 09:09	The "10-20%" in #2 is exact wording. I think #3 may have had that same wording. But again, I may have the worst memory on Gameknot.
pmcmurphy 01-Apr-24, 09:16	Condition #3 I am confident that #3 was a very difficult condition to meet. I recall your remarking that it was very difficult to achieve, and I think too that you placed "achieve" in quotation marks to suggest that any players who in fact achieved such a feat were almost certainly manipulating their rating. Do we know if the current owners of GameKnot still use the formula?
mikemate 01-Apr-24, 10:12	I know nothing, but waiting a response from Gameknot. Not on the formula, but on a related situation. Will let you know Gameknot's response but I'm 95 % sure a response will not come. Gameknot, please prove me wrong.
wasatch 07-Apr-24, 05:55	I think the best way to get “compliance” to controlling rating manipulators is to speak to the Captains and then if they don’t do something, quit setting up matches with that team AND mention it here in the Captains area. GK has always shown they are not a solution, these owners or the last. The guys who started GK were different, I’m told.
royal_knight1 07-Apr-24, 21:44	paradiesvogel now plays for caissa's raiders his ELO is 1535 and team rating is 1492 lets hope he is doing the right thing I have not informed the captain as he may play fair.
piero51 08-Apr-24, 10:42	Rating Manipulation Let's wait, let's keep checking. catseye is without a team, yet. Its current rating is 1550. He doesn't need to lower it. Thanks Piero
royal_knight1 16-Apr-24, 01:05	Another player who maybe suspect rmjc21 ELO 1455 team rating 1652 chess lovers.
wasatch 16-Apr-24, 01:44	I can only find one team game on rmjc21. Perhaps that high rating is provisional for the one game?
mikemate 16-Apr-24, 06:57	Correct, only one team completed.
royal_knight1 16-Apr-24, 22:31	Sorry i should have checked the amount of games i had my blinkers on.
mikemate 29-Apr-24, 13:31	Rating manipulation I posted this earlier in this thread: "I have reason to believe that paradiesvoge was reported to Gameknot for rating manipulation." This is fact, he was reported but Gameknot ignored the claim. Not only that, Gameknot did not contact the author of the rating manipulation claim even though it is stated that Gameknot will respond in three days, I believe. It appears Gameknot is done responding to our concerns.
bevo_xv 29-Apr-24, 13:54	Too bad they didn't sell GameKnot to someone who gives a f**k LOS ANGELES, April 01, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Enthusiast Gaming Holdings Inc. (“Enthusiast Gaming” or the “Company”) (TSX: EGLX), a leading gaming and media company, today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement (the “Asset Sale Agreement”) for the divestment of certain non-core and non-profitable casual gaming assets (the “Assets”) for a purchase price of approximately C$4.1 million. The Assets comprise a subset of Enthusiast Gaming’s casual gaming business, and the divestment is a continuation of a number of recent strategic actions designed to enhance the Company’s operational efficiency while emphasizing high-margin revenue growth and sustainable profitability. Other recent actions include a C$10 million cost reduction program, and a multi-year partnership with Playwire to improve programmatic yield and unlock additional revenue streams, both actioned in March (announced on March 7 and March 28, 2024, respectively). “We are swiftly executing on our strategic objectives including operational efficiency, enhancing liquidity, and building a platform of sustainable profitability,” said Adrian Montgomery, Board Chair and Interim CEO of Enthusiast Gaming. “This sale of a subset of non-core and non-profitable assets for C$4.1 million underscores our dedication to strengthening our balance sheet while simultaneously reducing operating costs. Further, this allows us to focus our efforts on core business opportunities, including TheSimsResource, U.GG, PocketGamer, Icy-Veins, Luminosity Gaming, NFL TNG, and our many other assets and properties that boast substantial audiences, drive direct sales, and present significant subscription opportunities.” The Asset Sale Agreement is expected to close in 10 business days and is subject to customary closing conditions. Among the Assets included as part of the divestment are Shockwave, LittleBigSnake, MathGames.com, and TypeRacer.com. Contacts Enthusiast Gaming: Felicia DellaFortuna, CFO Investors: FNK IR, Matt Chesler, CFA – investor@enthusiastgaming.com Media: press@enthusisatgaming.com
wasatch 29-Apr-24, 16:38	Since GK will not do anything, you Captains should as a group. I suggest contacting the Captain of his team to drop him otherwise the Captains will not arrange any team play with them. Then proceed to contact the Captain of every team and present the evidence. As for me, I am leaving at the end of this year for Chess.com
wasatch 29-Apr-24, 16:42	…as this ship is sinking.
dynamic-dv 29-Apr-24, 22:31	I am surprised the amount of teams that have matches with him that were told about him, I brought this matter to light several months ago. Especially you Mike! I know his strengths, I have played him!
dynamic-dv 29-Apr-24, 22:37	If all teams refused matches with him he would soon drop off the scene it is up to you, but it is a guaranteed loss if you match him at his rating!!
mikemate 30-Apr-24, 05:49	Ha, I mistakenly approved a challenge with paradiesvogel. However, the Captain is aware of this thread and will remove him from his team.
saguaro 30-Apr-24, 07:22	Re: Too bad they didn't sell GameKnot ... It's unclear from this whether GK stays with Enthusiast or goes.
mikemate 03-May-24, 12:32	game This was a game by paradiesvogel and was just entered into our conversation. I am messaging him now but he is from Germany I believe so he just left the conversation until tomorrow. This was the first time I started looking at his games because it was apparent there would be some crazy games. Try this: click his past game history. On the upper right is the Filter. find games his opponent 1400 and lower, losses only - there is the way to manipulate. On purpose or not.
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