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lord_shiva 10-Feb-24, 07:40	Rating Manipulation Glancing back through history I see this player wins most every team game, but consistently loses “let’s play chess.” This tournament game seems almost egregious, despite the king being drawn out towards the board center. game
mikemate 12-Feb-24, 21:40	He is no longer on the team. Someone must have reported him.
lord_shiva 12-Feb-24, 23:03	Reported I reported him to his team captain.
piero51 13-Feb-24, 03:05	Rating Manipulation I wrote to this player: Hello, catseye, Good morning. I'm the Captain of Team IHS TEAM ITALIA and you're playing two games with my player klausewitz. You are suspected of using illegal systems in your team matches, which is why the captain of Team Planet chess has removed you from these Team and probably to manipulate your credit rating. Since team games are to the advantage of the Team, I kindly and sportingly ask you to abandon the games with klausewitz or to propose a draw that will be accepted, because it no longer makes sense to continue playing for a team that has removed you. Thank you Piero Captain IHS TEAM ITALIA -------------------------------------------- Is it possible to ask the gameknot Administrator to intervene to resolve this issue? Could the Administrator remove catseye's account? Is it possible to remove this player from his games? Continuing to win by cheating, penalizes the cheated player's Team in favor of a Team that removed them. His matches should no longer have value. Many thanks to Captain lord_shiva who reported this player and thanks to the Captain of Team "Planet chess" krazyknights who removed the catseye player, but this continues to play and it's not fair! Piero IHS TEAM ITALIA Captain
lord_shiva 13-Feb-24, 11:55	Rating Manipulation I did not examine chess engine abuse, only rating manipulation, which was blatant. Another person is running further analysis. I reported catseye to the team captains of all 17 (as then) current games, but not the opposing players. I left that up to the captains. A bunch of list games in sequence entailed a queen sacrifice followed by a resignation. These were all private games, whereas the queen was never sacrificed in team games. In one game the player resigned a private game despite a 7 point material advantage. I am no expert in identifying fraud, but other captains concurred with my conclusion, and a software expert is computing values for the team games. I’ll return when that analysis is completed.
dynamic-dv 13-Feb-24, 23:32	He is still at it   latest game is winning then rook sac and resigned lol.
piero51 14-Feb-24, 10:47	Rating Manipulation Manipulation also consists of playing in one way in private matches and another in team matches. It's two people, better one person and one car. The machine or the one who hides (it could also be a Grandmaster, but I doubt that they stoop that low: I know many Italian GMs and no one would behave like this) never makes mistakes!! However, the way to play to lower the rating is a form of cheating. We need to put pressure on the GK Admin to step in and remove the account so he will lose all the games in progress that it is not fair to continue. I have already written in these terms. Thaks for all. Piero
royal_knight1 14-Feb-24, 21:18	catseye I do not think GK will remove catseye as he pays a subscription he will have to leave GK on his own accord. Money talks.
dynamic-dv 14-Feb-24, 23:15	If he gets so unpopular that nobody will play him he won't be able to manipulate anything.
piero51 15-Feb-24, 03:55	Rating Manipulation Ciao Dynamic-dv, That's right, the important thing is that no Captains accepts him in their team anymore. So if he wants to, he's going to cheat in his private games. Be careful: after the Planet chess Captain removed it, he is no longer playing private matches (not team matches) but is finishing the current Team matches. Why: because he doesn't need it. Those matches only serve him to lower his rating and stay within the 1400 and be able to beat everyone in team matches. Piero
lord_shiva 15-Feb-24, 22:28	Another Manipulator Here is a ladder game apparently pitched to deflate rating. game paradiesvogel Current team is Stoned Henge.
lord_shiva 15-Feb-24, 22:54	Possible Manipulation? I’m not sure. He loses a LOT of tournament games by timeout. He loses some team games, but never by timeout. gameknot.com
dynamic-dv 16-Feb-24, 01:50	I think it would be a great idea if someone started a thread with a list of possible suspected players and let captains make up their own minds what to do about them individually. Thoughts?
piero51 16-Feb-24, 02:28	Possible Manipulation? I agree. I am the captain of IHS TEAM ITALIA, years ago I removed players because I ascertained that they were using programs. I would like to hear from the other Captains if they believe that there is anyone on my team who is using illegal programs or engines. I know them well and I don't think there's anyone like catseye on my team, but "never say never". Let me know. Thank you. Piero
gmforsythe 19-Feb-24, 16:27	Reply to dynamic-dv I agree. But since this thread already exists I suggest using it.
lord_shiva 23-Feb-24, 18:52	Another Suspicious Player game Player Buddhatomm I’m not leveling any accusations, but it appears a mild pattern of challenging other players and then making questionable queen trades. I don’t see these in the team games. Could just be honest errors, but id like another pair of eyes to see if it’s the same.
lord_shiva 23-Feb-24, 19:06	-7 His team score is negative, would would suggest he’s not cheating on team games, but look at this one: game Again, Buddhatomm issues a private challenge. 16. …. Nf5 is questionable. He withdraws the knight’s protection from a critical pawn? 20. h4 Qe7. This one, where is the advantage for blocking the king’s only avenue of escape? 21. Bd3 Rf4 22. g3 Rg4 23. Qh8#
pmcmurphy 23-Feb-24, 19:06	Buddhatomm's statistics are not suspicious Historically, he has 44% wins and 48% losses in team games.
lord_shiva 23-Feb-24, 19:18	Pmcmurphy Thanks for that. I did notice his team score was negative, which as you note indicates more losses than wins. But all the questionable losses I’ve examined are on private challenges he issued. That isn’t necessarily for the benefit of team games, he plays league games too.
lord_shiva 23-Feb-24, 19:54	Game List Just looking at losses. If he uses an engine for wins I know nothing about that, and judging by score that isn’t occurring on team games. Issues private challenge and blunders early: game 22. … d4 pitches queen game 17. Ba2? game King and queen are aligned but plays 32. Rxd4? It’s a lot.
mikemate 24-Feb-24, 00:23	I do not believe that buddhatomm is a rating manipulator. I see no statistical patterns that indicate he/she is a rating manipulator. Early losses is not an indicator.
mikemate 24-Feb-24, 00:38	paradiesvogel is most definitely a rating manipulator for easier team game wins. No doubt!
lord_shiva 24-Feb-24, 00:41	Early Losses I concur the early team game losses do not indicate anything. But the recent losses, all private challenges by the player in question, bear hallmarks. When he loses team or league games the errors are far more subtle, and the games last much longer. Catseye malfeasance is blatant, whereas this s more subtle. I’d really like to have others view the games themselves to see if they agree. But you have a good eye, mikemate. If you’re convinced it isn’t there I’ll accept that.
mikemate 24-Feb-24, 00:48	What are the glaring stats that indicate a player manipulates the rating? If a player purposely looses non-team games to have "better" team game pairings, this is manipulating. Sometimes it is very difficult to prove but there are indicators.
mikemate 24-Feb-24, 00:58	The thing about buddhatomm is that he plays many games. Players with many games will generally have radical high 90 day ratings and quickly have much lower 90 day ratings - very much like a roller coaster, lol. That's why 0 day high ratings is not necessarily a good indicator of strength (90 day high rating is the #1 reason Captains decline challenges).
dynamic-dv 24-Feb-24, 05:02	one thing to take into account when investigating players is in team games I find they normally try harder and play safer than in challenge games! I always used to try out dubious variations in challenge games but strictly stayed to book in team matches. Something to think about.
apatzer 24-Feb-24, 08:53	Lord Shiva 19:06 White missed mate on move 21. Qh8#
lord_shiva 24-Feb-24, 13:49	Apatzer 8:53 20. h4 Qe7 instead of Qc7? Was black setting himself up for mate? If it was one or two careless games, that’s one thing. But when it’s a lot, it stinks.
apatzer 24-Feb-24, 19:51	Lord Shiva It is either that or a mouse slip.
mikemate 27-Feb-24, 13:40	What David said about players work harder on team games than challenge games is real. Several players have said that to me. Two stats that are relevant in determining a rating manipulator (presumably for better team game matches) is team game rating vs all game rating and team game winning percentage. It is a good idea to look at non-team games lost that are at least 100 points lower rated. Click on completed games and find the "filter" on the top right. Very useful.
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