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coram_deo 28-Oct-21, 07:29 |
 From zorroloco: “Hate? No one here hates Andrew. What it is is mockery and disgust. Hatred is far too strong a word for it. It’s more how I feel about a bad case of diarrhea- irritating, stinky and makes you feel dirty.” Here’s GameKnot’s Rules of Conduct, which are not enforced against atheists: “Rules of Conduct: You may not harass, insult, badger, threaten, or intentionally annoy, irritate, or rush other players. You may not use any sexually explicit, vulgar, obscene, rude, harmful, disturbing, threatening, abusive, defamatory, hateful, inflammatory, racially or ethnically offensive language and/or images. Please keep everything PG-13. No exceptions for abbreviated or misspelled words with clear intended meaning.” And here’s my message to zorroloco: That’s more like it! That’s the kind of hate we expect from the King of Hate. Maybe cut back on your drug consumption so your hate really kicks into high gear. riaannieman’s after your throne as GK’s King of Hate but I don’t think he posts frequently enough to take your crown - after all, I believe he has a job while your life seems devoted to getting stoned and attacking people on the Internet. But don’t rest on laurels! Keep the hate flowing! If attacking me on the Internet keeps you from attacking someone in real life, I’m happy to oblige. 😡 + 💻 = 👍 😡 + 🗡 👨🏼 🩸 🩸 = 👎 |
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coram_deo 28-Oct-21, 16:29 |
Totally false, Bob. But “totally false” and your assertions about me go together like peanut butter and jelly. I’m plenty smart and do plenty of my own thinking. Just check these threads: m.gameknot.com m.gameknot.com And unlike you, Bob, I don’t pass off someone else’s work as my own, as you tried to do with your wildly symbolic interpretation of Genesis 1. You only credited the source when your hand was forced. <<But I wouldn't say 'martyr complex'. That implies that he is seeking harm to himself. I think it more accurate to say that he mistakes stubbornness for courage.>> I know what I believe, Bob. And, again unlike you, I’m not pretending to be someone I’m not on here. You say you’re a Christian but at the same time you say you don’t know who or what God is or what you believe. You say you’re a “rusted-on Christian,” but at the same time you claim to have a mature faith. You say you believe in the theory of evolution, but at the same time you say humans were made in the image of God. You don’t know what you believe, Bob - by your own admission. I know what I believe. You can say that means I’m stubborn. I prefer the word “conviction.” <<In fact, his stubbornness is not courage, but a symptom of his fear.>> I have no fear, Bob. I would say your attempt at analyzing me is laughable, but it’s also a manifestation of your compulsive lying and trolling. I’m convinced you’re not a Christian, Bob. When you applied to join my club, you said, in response to my questions, that you believed in the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ, that you believe His sacrificial death atoned for the sins of mankind, and that you believed in Jesus Christ’s Resurrection. I suspected you were lying and that you just wanted to get into my club to be disruptive and do the bidding of atheists, and my suspicion that you lied in your responses was borne out. <<He is afraid of losing the favour of God, whom he imagines requires assent and obedience to a set of propositions and behavioural norms.>> That’s Old Testament, Bob. I believe in salvation by God’s grace through faith and that Christians become the righteousness of God when they accept Jesus Christ and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection. Do you know the “divine transfer” that takes place when someone accepts and believes in Jesus Christ? All their sins - past, present and future - are transferred to Christ, and Christ’s righteousness is transferred to them. That’s the New Covenant, Bob. That’s what I believe. <<Despite their proclamations of 'sola fide' and 'sola gratia', Fundamentalists tend to be just as legalistic as any Orthodox Jew.>> You know nothing about me, Bob. I post as much as I do on here ‘cause I love (make that LOVE) the Holy Bible and love God. I give to charities that help the poor, not out of a sense of duty or obligation, but because I like to help people and pass God’s blessings onto others. You’re in a bad place spiritually if you think glorifying God is some sort of a chore. It’s a joy, Bob. <<This deep-seated fear is clear from his transferences, such as saying scientists are afraid of being ridiculed by their Godless Atheistic colleagues,>> Scientists themselves have said Darwin’s theory is dogma to many scientists and needs to be scrutinized. Check dissentfromdarwin.org. <<or that I am afraid of being rejected by the Godless Atheistic members of this Club.>> Why do you do whatever the atheists in that club tell you to do, Bob? Why can’t you answer whether you believe in the Virgin birth, sacrificial death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and in the miracles He performed? It’s Ok if you don’t believe any of that. But don’t claim to be a Christian and at the same time say you don’t know who or what God is or what you believe and that you’re still finding out. Just say you’re an agnostic. There are plenty of agnostics in the world. And maybe read the New Testament and investigate the evidence for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection so you can come to a conclusion on what you believe. Because Jesus Christ’s Resurrection is key. It’s what Christianity was founded upon. <<He is projecting his own fear of rejection onto his opponents.>> I have no fear of rejection, Bob. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 04:53 |
Just for the record, I don't agree with you regarding the above assessments of Flux. I think he is quite smart (if by smart we mean intelligent). I also don't think he has any fear of being wrong - he knows very well that he has the favour of God. That's (in my humble assessment) what his activities are based on. It is what he is most sure of, of all things.>> Thanks, stalhandske. <<I am just eternally sorry that such devotion must clash with science.>> I don’t think it does. As you know, I don’t think the theory of evolution is science. It doesn’t follow the Scientific Method (see here: m.gameknot.com) and the only evidence for speciation is a couple of questionable transitional fossils, when Darwin said the number should be “truly enormous.” <<And coram doesn't seem to realise that his negative view of evolution theory is ACTUALLY in contrast to the beliefs of the major Christian churches in the world.>> Maybe some of them; certainly not all of them, or, perhaps, even a majority of them. Churches are run by fallible men. The Word of God (Holy Bible) is infallible. The Catholic Church, for example, has many beliefs and practices that contradict the Bible. That the Catholic Church views the theory of evolution as possible is hardly surprising. <<He refers to the Christians around him, or in his country, but he ignores the full picture. With this I don't say that 'the majority thinks this way so they must be right'! I don't think issues like this can be solved by democratic majority rules. But I think it would be good for coram to realise that he is within a very small minority among Christians of this world.>> I don’t think so. But I couldn’t care less if I was. I haven’t seen a survey on this but I think significantly more than “a very small minority” of Christians don’t believe the theory of evolution. <<No, I won't comment any longer on the issues of metabolic identity between apes and humans (or pigs and humans, for that matter ), nor on the obvious DNA sequence similarities among mammals and primates. The 'studies' coram quoted were 'nicely' doctored trash, and 100% more garbage than what he thinks of evolution theory.>> The video and articles made very specific statements regarding the human and chimp genomes. Which are inaccurate? I won’t repost the video or articles - I believe they’re on page 3 of this thread - but here is one paragraph that includes two very specific claims. Are both inaccurate? “Confronting Human-Chimp Propaganda To close this section, let’s discuss a hypothetical exchange. How can you use the information in this section in conversation? First, the person makes the claim that “human and chimp DNA are genetically 98–99% identical or similar.” You can ask, “Do you know roughly how many bases are in the human and chimp genomes?” If they do, great. If not, then offer the fact that the human count is about 3.097 billion base pairs and the chimp count is 3.231 billion. This equates to about 134 million more base pairs than we have, making their genome at least 4.3% larger than ours. So how is it possible to say their genome is 98–99% the same as ours, when their total genome is actually 4.3% larger than ours? Next, you might want to point out that they excluded 25% of the human genetic material and 18% of the chimps when they came up with the 98% similarity figure. If chimps and humans are significantly more than 1–2% different, as the data show they are, then there is not enough time in the supposed evolutionary timeline for that many changes to occur. It’s a gap evolution can’t bridge.” genesisapologetics.com I cited (and will continue to cite) very specific reasons why I believe the theory of evolution is false. If you don’t want to respond to very specific reasons why the human and chimp genomes are not at all as similar as evolutionists claim, that’s obviously your prerogative. But those statements remain unrefuted. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 05:05 |
Hey riaannieman! If you’re genuinely interested in “diffusing tensions,” maybe you shouldn’t write paragraphs like this about another human being: “Maybe I shouldn't laugh- maybe I should weep that the process of natural selection have not yet eliminated this person from the gene pool; maybe it is a travesty that this person could still contribute genetic material to the human race. Because it is such a sad, sad little man that is trying so extremely hard to convince himself and real scientists about what the truth is.” Don’t throw gasoline on a fire and then lament the flames. I won’t be pushed around by the likes of you (or anyone else.) I’ll continue to post flaws with your pantheistic religion (theory of evolution.) If you don’t like it, too bad. Don’t read the posts if you can’t handle a different point of view. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 07:25 |
Flux continues with his rant about this issue. I KNOW that I said I won't discuss this any longer, but please read this Nature article by Svante Pääbo et al.>> Why you characterize what I wrote as a “rant” is unfortunate and just poisons the well of discussion. But I’ll overlook it as I know how important the theory of evolution is to your worldview. <<I have myself an article with Svante about mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) comparisons between H. sapens and H. neandertaliensis, which also makes comparisons to some of the ape species. The similarities are extensive here, too.>> I’ll be happy to read those articles later today, but can you just address/answer whether: • The chimp genome is 3.231 billion base pairs, while the human genome is 3.097 billion base pairs, meaning the chimp genome is 134 million base pairs (4.3 percent) larger than the human genome. • Was 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material excluded when scientists arrived at the 98 percent similarity figure? A *secular* website that *adheres to the theory of evolution* made that claim. I think those are important questions which should be answered. Could you answer them or let me know if the articles you provided links for answer them? <<Anyone who has done work in this area KNOWS that Flux is wrong about this. And when I say KNOW I mean KNOW. Let's see if he catches this throw....>> Like I said, can you address those two questions? If so, I’ll be happy to read the articles you referenced later today. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 07:31 |
He is fact proofed>> Interesting! zorroloco made the above comment exactly 3 minutes after stalhandske posted his links to two articles. Do you think zorroloco read those articles before concluding I was “fact proofed?” Of course not. His mind is made up. He isn’t interested in information or learning or discussion. He’s just interested in trolling. It’s really very sad. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 07:58 |
But I don't expect Flux to admit he is wrong, because he never does!>> Ok, you answered the first question by essentially saying you don’t know. Could you address the second question: • Was 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material excluded when scientists arrived at the 98 percent similarity figure? If you don’t know, that’s fine, but that’s an important question (imo.) Then I’ll be happy to read the articles you provided links to. I just want to first get an understanding of the basis on which the human and chimp genomes were compared. And the gratuitous insult was also unfortunate, but I’ll overlook that too because, as I said before, I know how important the theory of evolution is to your worldview. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 08:19 |
Right, but you didn’t say if they excluded 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material to arrive at that 98 percent similarity. <<I also told you that I know the proteins and their comparison, and those are the crucial ones. The DNA is just the blueprint. Why don't you read Svante Pääbo's article for info on the DNA?>> Ok, will read it later today. But those two points from the article I posted are not refuted. |
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coram_deo 29-Oct-21, 17:29 |
Sure am, Bob. I never said a Christian couldn’t believe the theory of evolution. In fact, I said the opposite. Because a Christian is defined as one who has accepted Jesus Christ and who believes in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection (a la John 3:16 and Romans 10:9,) that obviously has nothing to do with whether Genesis 1 and 2 should be taken literally or whether the theory of evolution is correct. I *have* said the theory of evolution is incompatible with the Holy Bible, no matter how much symbolism you try to read into Genesis 1 and 2, and I gave verses to support my position. As I stated earlier, *Jesus Christ and His disciples believed in the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2.* That’s good enough for me. And you stated that humans were made in the image of God. How can you, as an evolutionist, believe that? But that’s not the only contradiction it’d be helpful for you to clarify. You stated you don’t know who or what God is or what you believe, and yet you also say you’re a Christian. You claim to have a mature faith but your constant bearing of false witness regarding what I have said and believe and your nasty disposition say otherwise. And how can you, as a “rusted-on Christian,” as you describe yourself on your profile page, not know who or what God is or what you believe? “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” (John 14:6-11) |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 07:07 |
Is correct. Anyone with a brain and common sense can see the close relationships between all the great apes - physically and behaviorally. Arguing sbout the exact degree of genetic differences is no different than arguing about angels dancing On pinheads Anyone denying it is a fool with an ulterior motive.>> This is wrong for a couple of reasons. 1) Humans aren’t “great apes,” nor are they animals. They’re separate and distinct from apes and other animals as this 9:30 minute video clearly demonstrates. Will the person who posted the above watch this video? Of course not! youtu.be 2) if the human and chimp genomes are significantly different from the false 98% similarity that evolutionists claim - and they are - then guess what? The theory of evolution doesn’t allow enough time for humans to have arisen through random mutation and natural selection. That’s why scientists ignored 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the two genomes - they needed that high 98% similarity for the theory of evolution. And, once again, science bows a knee to atheism and hatred of God. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 07:15 |
'Answers Research Journal' (vol 11 (2018) pp. 205-209. I had not heard of this journal and looked it up....It is described as 'cutting edge creation research'>> So what? Is research on human origins done by scientists who believe the theory of evolution automatically suspect because they believe the theory of evolution? Apparently it should be since they ignored 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the two genomes and arriving at a 98 percent similarity. That doesn’t sound like science to me. That sounds like manipulating data to fit a pre-determined conclusion. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 07:22 |
Who wants to go to heaven? All the nice girls are in hell.....>> I guess that depends on your definition of “nice.” But you don’t have to be “nice” to go to Heaven - just forgiven. Folks who hate God or don’t believe He exists shouldn’t expect to enter His home when they die. And if you think hell is just a big party, you’re in for quite a surprise. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 07:35 |
Just everlasting peace in the arms of the father forever and ever and ever...sounds a bit hellish to me 😎>> You think a God that invented all of the above is incapable of more and better? You’re comparing momentary carnal pleasures with eternal pleasures? “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9) “Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.” (Psalm 16:11) “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (Revelation 21:3-4) And if God exists out of time, and it stands to reason He does, then Heaven exists outside of time too. That means there’s no boredom in Heaven because there’s no passage of time - only the eternal now. But you have fun in hell. It’s not at all what you’re thinking. But it’s clear (and has been for a while) that your mind is completely and irreversibly closed on this subject. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 08:12 |
Too bad for you that’s not an option. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 09:08 |
Are found here on Earth,>> And you base this on what? <<in the way we live and treat each other.>> You think you treat people well? I see you on here insulting and attacking people every day, and I recall you saying you have a smile on your face when you’re trolling (i.e. deliberately upsetting and angering someone.) I don’t buy for a second that you become a totally different person when you’re not on the Internet. The only reason you don’t insult and attack people in real life is because you’re afraid of getting your butt kicked. You only insult and attack people online because you’re a coward. But the hate inside you is still there when you leave the Internet. <<We create our reality.>> What is your reality? You said you’ve been stoned “most of the time” (your words) for the past 45 years. Sounds like you’re trying to escape reality. <<Live for the ‘afterlife’ and waste your life here - the one life we have.>> How is helping people wasting one’s life? "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) How is someone leaning on God to get them through difficult times wasting one’s life? How is finding joy in walking with God wasting one’s life? How is telling people about Heaven and hell wasting one’s life? You hate God and so think living a life in fellowship with Him is a wasted life. I say getting stoned and attacking people on the Internet is a wasted life. Do you ever think about cutting back on your consumption of drugs so you could donate some money to a charity that helps the poor? You claim to care about the poor - how does that manifest itself? <<The only time is now. That’s all there will ever be.>> So the past and future don’t exist? <<The only sin, imo, is treating others poorly.>> And you do that every day on the Internet. Just read the first two dozen posts in this thread. And I’m not the only one on here you attack, lie about and smear. <<And possibly living for the nonexistent afterlife and neglecting this one.>> Believers who walk with God don’t neglect this life at all. They enjoy His Presence and live fulfilling lives that help other people. “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:9-10) <<If I were God and you told me this life isn’t enough,>> No one tells God that. You’re pretending to know the mind and heart of a believer when you know neither. <<and you want immortality in paradise,>> No one deserves that - it’s God’s gift to His children. When someone gives you a gift, do you slap it out of their hands and then slap them across the face? <<I’d bitchslap you and ask you why the hell you deserve immortality and why you’re an ungrateful cur.>> Of course you would. Because you’re filled with hate, and God is love. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 09:16 |
I know enough about it to know it’s false. And if you opened your mind, you’d know that as well. <<and how he is being refuted by the correct interpretations of the Bible as well as real scientists who actually do know something.>> Huh? So an atheist knows what a correct interpretation of the Holy Bible is? You think real scientists would ignore 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the two genomes so they can arrive at a 98 percent similarity? You think real scientists would do that? <<Fact proofed, you said. That is exactly right.>> More like open minded and able to discern the truth. But keep making substance-free and fact-free statements. That seems to be your specialty. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 12:13 |
You initially said you didn’t know how they did the comparisons of the human genome and chimp genome and therefore didn’t know if they excluded 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material. Are you now saying they did not do that? Because my understanding from your answers is you were not disputing that. And I’ll get around to reading the papers, but why can’t I get a straight answer from you on this question: Did scientists who compared the human genome and chimp genome exclude 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material? If they did, we can move on to why they did. But first let’s establish if they did that or not. <<What's the idea of 'discussing' with somebody who demands you to read his nonsense but refrains from reading top noth papers published in Nature, Science and Cell.>> How about you give a straight answer to a straight question instead of tap dancing around everything? <<I've had it once again,>> Had what? Is this more manufactured offense and outrage? <<and I start to agree with the assessments by Zorro and Bob, which I initially did not agree with. I do now - I was once again utterly mistaken about this guy.>> I’m happy to have a discussion, but you are not providing answers to questions. “Read these papers” is not an answer. I’ll be happy to read them, but why not state if they refute or deny that scientists excluded 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the two genomes? How hard is it to say, “Yes, they did” or “No, they didn’t.” If they did, we can then talk about why they did. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 12:24 |
And I don’t demand anyone read what I post. If they want to read it, that’s fine. If they don’t, that’s fine too. |
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coram_deo 30-Oct-21, 21:56 |
Coram has left the same tune playing over and over. As I said before, I have read his cited work plus papers referenced to in that work. So, I have 'done my homework'. I have also replied to his "25% mantra" in the best way I could: academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu viz. by this brief article by Jon Cohen published in the journal Science (one of the highest rated scientific journals), and which in fact is referenced in the 'cutting edge creation research' article from which Coram has copied and pasted his entire '25% argument'. This man does not do honest research by himself. The funny thing is that the author of Coram's article doesn't really comment on what Cohen concludes (even though it is in the reference list), and why should he (or Coram) as it explains "the 25%" but in a way that the creationist would not accept (or understand). Apparently Coram never read that paper despite the fact that it is part of the work he cites. I don't know if there is a concept reciprocal to cherry picking, but that is what quite obviously has happened here. When there is data that does not fit, it is ignored.>> Ok, I read the article you provided a link to. So, I guess my question is, do you stand by the following statement you made on 10/25 at 21:33: “If we look ONLY at the basic biochemistry and biophysics of humans and apes (or pigs for that matter) there is hardly ANY difference. The point is that they are basically exactly the same! THAT is amazing, don't you agree?” m.gameknot.com Because it was that statement that got this ball rolling. And I don’t think the article you provided a link for supports the notion that the basic biochemistry and biophysics of humans and apes are basically exactly the same and that there is hardly any difference. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 08:58 |
This is absolutely false and I think you know it. Maybe watch this video again? Or watch it for the first time if you didn’t watch it previously? youtu.be This is why I don’t trust anything you say, stalhandske. You’re not objective. You don’t base your opinion on evidence - you base it on which “side” is presenting the evidence. If people who present the evidence are on “your side” (agree with you,) you believe it. If they’re not on your side (don’t agree with you,) you either ignore it or look for excuses to reject it. Hopefully you’re only like that when it comes to the theory of evolution, but it appears to be your functioning mindset. This bias - and with you, it’s very pronounced - plays itself out in this forum as well. You and your moderators can write the most over-the-top, nasty and despicable posts about me and you see nothing wrong with it. In fact, you celebrate it. But if I or someone else writes a true, yet mildly offensive, post about you or a person on your “side,” you’re outraged. Did you know we had a governor in the United States - the governor of a very significant state in terms of population and wealth - who was forced to resign because of sexual harassment allegations against him? You didn’t see a single thread on that, did you? You know why? Because he (Andrew Cuomo, former governor of New York) was a Democrat. Do you think your club would have had a thread on that if the governor had been a Republican? The percentage figures on what “scientists” excluded when comparing the human genome and chimp genome aren’t stated so how are the figures presented in my article dismissed? I frankly am not that concerned about the exact percentage of genetic material that “scientists” excluded when comparing the human genome and chimp genome. The point is, it was not a full or accurate comparison and therefore the 98-99% similarity is a bogus figure and your article essentially says that! And I don’t think your initial statement is accurate at all. In fact, I think it’s completely false and for far more reasons than the comparison of the genomes. Just watch the video I posted a link to above for how different humans are from chimps. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 09:26 |
So now I’m a supporter of Trump? When all else fails, drag out the left’s favorite whipping post. <<I gave the conventional historical-critical analysis of Genesis 1>> You mean the wildly symbolic analysis of Genesis 1 that virtually no one believes and that ignores Genesis 2? You mean the wildly symbolic analysis that was not believed by Jesus Christ and His disciples? (They believed in a literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis.) <<that every competent Bible College student could deliver without prior warning.>> Only as an example of how foolish some interpretations of Genesis 1 can be. <<I never claimed it was my original interpretation;>> You certainly gave that impression - and, imo, not by accident. <<indeed I explicitly SAID it was 'mainstream'.>> It’s not mainstream at all, Bob. Not even close. <<Coram responded by saying it was so 'out there' that no commentator would agree with it, as though I had just dreamed it up.>> I said I wasn’t aware of a commentator who agreed with it. <<So I gave a reference to it as presented in one of my College texts, giving ISBN number and page number.>> Yeah, one commentator. You only support that ridiculous interpretation of Genesis 1 because you think it allows for the theory of evolution. You’re torturing Biblical text to support Darwin’s nonsense. And yet, even though you’re an evolutionist, you said humans were made in the image of God. How’s that work, Bob? <<His next post accused me of plagiarism,>> False. I said you didn’t credit your source. I never used the word plagiarism. Guilty conscience, much? <<and that I only admitted to it when challenged!>> That’s true. <<As if HE had put that reference in front of ME! Apart from the fact that his original allegation was the exact OPPOSITE of plagiarism.>> Huh? Are you smoking Z’s flowers again? That sentence makes no sense. <<That guy has no problem directly contradicting himself,>> This is rich coming from you. Let us count your contradictions: • You say you’re a Christian, and yet you also say you don’t know who or what God is and don’t know what you believe. • You say you’re a “rusted-on Christian” (who nevertheless has a “mature faith”) and yet you refuse to say if you believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is the event that Christianity is founded upon. • You say you’re an evolutionist and yet you also say humans were made in the image of God. • You claim to have a “mature faith” (despite not knowing what you believe) and yet you’re constantly bearing false witness. You know who the father of lies is, Bob? That seems to be who you serve. <<if the only alternative is to admit that he has no clue.>> Sounds like psychological projection to me, Bob. <<You're wrong, Stal, when you say he is smart. He is only as smart as a petshop parrot that can quote Shakespeare.>> More nasty insults. You can be a very nasty guy, Bob. You apparently can’t discuss something with someone who disagrees with you without resorting to cheap insults. That’s a sign you’re losing the argument and are lashing out in frustration and anger. <<(By-the-way, tell Coram that carbon atoms in humans are the same as carbon atoms in fungi; he will laugh you to scorn for such a huge lie!)>> Who cares, Bob? Why don’t you figure out what you believe instead of being a troll on the Internet? At least stalhandske and zorroloco know what they believe (even if they’re wrong.) Don’t you think it’s important for you to figure out what you believe? You’re no spring chicken, Bob. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 09:38 |
Nothing can convince someone who is married to dogma.>> I’m married to the Truth and so I reject lies. <<Stop trying go convince him.>> Yes! Please! <<It’s literally impossible.>> You’re right! Because I know the Truth! “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6) “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” (John 11:25) <<He KNOWS the Truth>> Yes! <<and anything that contradicts his childish beliefs is obviously not only wrong, but inspired by the devil.>> You almost wrote an entire post I agree with! Do you know how many Christians are in the world? Do you know how many are older than children - and even older than me? I do agree that the Holy Bible is inerrant, infallible and immutable, so yeah, anything that contradicts it, by definition would be wrong. But I didn’t believe the theory of evolution long before I read the Bible because there’s no evidence for Darwin’s theory aside from a couple of questionable transitional fossils. Is contradictory evidence inspired by the devil? It’s possible. I believe the devil exists but I don’t claim to know what he’s doing. I do find it interesting that the two major Christian holidays (Christmas, which celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ, and Easter, which celebrates His Resurrection) have worldly counterfeits in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. Do other religious holidays have worldly counterfeits? I don’t think so. Were the worldly counterfeits for holidays that celebrate Jesus Christ’s birth and His Resurrection inspired by Satan? Almost definitely. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 10:14 |
You’ve gotten under Corum’s skin. He’s lost it. Corim is ranting and raving now like a zealot. He hates you as much as he hates the truth. He’s a fanatic. I’ll say it again... he just knocks over the pieces, craps all over the board, and claims victory. He needs to smoke some herb and get in touch with the Earth Mother. His beliefs are totally out of sync with the Earth. His. beliefs are devil inspired and lead to our destruction and the degradation of our sacred planet. He strives for the demise of our ecosystem in order to bring about what he sees as the end times, in which, in his immature and unbalanced mind, means he alone (and the Prince dude) will go to heaven and everyone else burns. He probably thinks god will use his club membership to ascertain who’s been naughty and who’s been nice. His sick patriarchal fables are anti-life. If the devil exists, he lives in the hearts of people like Andrew.>> This is some terrific trolling, zorroloco! Did you have a smile on your face when you wrote it ‘cause you thought it would upset and anger me? It doesn’t because it’s such an obvious troll post. You need to be more subtle in your trolling now that you’ve admitted at least twice to trolling me. But still - a terrific trolling effort taken by itself. P.S. Why’d you delete that post you wrote (which I quoted above) that I nearly entirely agreed with? Was it because I nearly entirely agreed with it? 😂 I see you’re primed for another day of getting stoned and trolling people on the Internet. Are you watching the Sunday Night Football game between the Vikings and Cowboys? Did you know the Vikings are my favorite team and that they beat your favorite team (Seahawks) a few weeks ago? Skol, Vikings! Have a great Sunday! |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 11:27 |
The video goes well beyond the comparison of the genomes, which you would know had you watched it. <<This issue (and the problems associated with it) was thoroughly disdussed in the Science article I posted, but which was just dismissed.>> Did not the article you most recently provided a link for refute the claim that the human and chimp genomes are 98-99% similar? Yes, it did. Which means your initial statement that started this ball rolling is false. <<His assessment <<<This is why I don’t trust anything you say, stalhandske. You’re not objective. You don’t base your opinion on evidence - you base it on which “side” is presenting the evidence. If people who present the evidence are on “your side” (agree with you,) you believe it. If they’re not on your side (don’t agree with you,) you either ignore it or look for excuses to reject it. Hopefully you’re only like that when it comes to the theory of evolution, but it appears to be your functioning mindset.>>> would be a true insult to any scientist,>> Am I wrong? I don’t think so. You swallow hook, line and sinker - and declare, Case closed! - any “evidence” that is presented in favor of the theory of evolution (such as increased oxygen levels as a reason for the Cambrian explosion) and yet you automatically reject evidence that’s in contradiction to the theory of evolution. After you declared, Case closed! on the Cambrian explosion due to the *hypothesis* of increased oxygen levels, which some scientists disagreed with, I asked if that explained why there were no pre-Cambrian fossils. You ignored me. I asked how the theory of evolution explained orphan genes. You told me to look it up on the Internet. I asked you for the exact number of transitional fossils, and you said you weren’t going to count them for me. Any evidence that contradicts the theory of evolution is automatically assumed by you to be false. That’s not the mindset of a scientist, stalhandske. You’re neither objective nor open-minded, at least when it comes to Darwin’s theory. <<but I honestly don't give a damn because I know my value and from where the assessment comes. Coram has no freeking idea about the extent of the evidence for similarity of biochemistry and biophysics among mammals.>> I know it’s not as much as evolutionists claim. And I know that similarities that exist could be explained by a common design. After all, humans and animals live in the same atmosphere, eat the same foods, etc. <<I tried to give a small glimpse of that, but it was of course ignored.>> Because your statement about “basically the same” and “nearly identical” in reference to the human genome and chimp genome was false. And one of your own sources said so!! But the differences go well beyond the genomes. Just watch the video I re-posted earlier today. <<All in all, I am actually deeply sorry for all this. But it was of course initially provoked by Coram via his initially chosen 'chess identity'.>> Back to that again? <<I have now said enough.>> You and I both know that’s not true. You’ll be responding to this post within a few hours. <<Finally, let's not at least insult him any longer>> So you admit that you and your moderators have been insulting me. Interesting. Isn’t that a violation of GameKnot’s Rules of Conduct? <<which will only help him in his planned retreat,>> Don’t count on that retreat. <<which last time was stuffed with GK complaints. Fortunately GK has apparently noted this and removed his rights of complaint.>> You don’t think any of the first roughly two dozen posts in this thread - and even some of the posts your moderators made in the last few days (which I cited in this thread) violate GameKnot’s Rules of Conduct? Like I said, stalhandske, you’re not objective. You’re extremely biased, and that bias, which is very unscientific, appears to be your functioning mindset. Your club is up to its eyeballs in GK violations. The fact you apparently don’t see that is a demonstration of your lack of objectivity and bias. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 11:46 |
Another false statement about me. Wow. You guys really rack them up. I became a Christian only *after* investigating the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Many atheists became Christians after doing the same - including atheists who were experts in evaluating evidence. <<I see that coram referenced a post by myself, and think I should answer that. Actually, before I became an atheist, I was a devout Christian and had lengthy talks with pastors, reverends and priests from many denominations, trying to understand the Bible better. I read a lot of books by learned theologians, especially pertaining to the Protestant faith, in which I was brought up. Even after I left the faith I still went back to long discussions with all reverends, priests and pastors. So to answer his question on what an atheist would know about the Bible- in fact much more than the average person who blindly follows dogma. That is exactly why I made the informed decision to leave Christianity.>> Can you refute evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ? Because that is what Christianity was founded upon. I suspect you can’t - and likely don’t even know what the evidence is. <<"....You think real scientists would ignore 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the two genomes so they can arrive at a 98 percent similarity?...." It is obvious to even a simple policeman that the poor bloke doesn't understand the least about the concept. He hasn't the foggiest. stalhandske explained that very clearly, twice that I can see at a quick glance. Also both those articles that stalhandske referenced on 29-Oct-21, 07:05 explains it. It doesn't mean that there is 25% difference between human and chimpanzee DNA!>> No kidding. I never said it did. I said “scientists” excluded 25 percent of human genetic material and 18 percent of chimp genetic material when comparing the human genome and chimp genome. <<It seems he read that number and have no idea what it means,>> You misquoted me - whether you did that intentionally or not is a coin flip. Go back and read what I actually wrote. <<so he goes on and on ad infinitum about the discrepancy he perceives there to be. No discrepancy!>> Again, you’re drawing a faulty conclusion from falsely stating what I wrote. <<I had to laugh- he didn't catch my joke about the nice girls who are all in hell.>> I knew exactly what you were talking about. You’re a married guy who bragged on here about seducing your physical therapist. It’s not hard to know what you meant by that. <<And for sure I don't think of evolution as pantheism. I merely consider it the most likely explanation of how we got to this current point in time with all these myriad of life forms around the planet.>> Then I suggest you look a bit further into all the problems and flaws with it. <<I didn't even see that particular thread before. The thread usually referenced here took me directly to another one. I couldn't find a quick reference and took the long route, which was how I discovered the thread "The 10-Week Campaign of Hate". The opposite is in fact true. I don't hate him at all.>> You and other moderators at FIAT LUX III write some pretty hateful posts. That’s what I meant by hate - I was referencing your posts. I couldn’t care less if you hate me. <<There are very few people that I actively and positively hate- and I have met all four of them face to face and told them so in an effort to solve the problem. Me, hateful? Nope. I am the most loving person you could ever meet.>> It’s sad to think you’re that delusional. Anyone who has written the type of hate you’ve written isn’t a loving person. He’s a hateful person. Own it. Own your hate. <<I didn't read back further than that. I didn't realize that I warrant any attention!>> Yeah, please feel free to ignore me. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 13:02 |
And the reason they have no problem with it is because they think they descended from animals and therefore their only accountability is to the herd. Anyone who is viewed as an opponent of the herd must be attacked and attacked again by any means necessary. Nothing is off limits when it comes to protecting the herd. It’s an incredibly primitive - and pretty alarming - mindset, but that’s where it comes from. That’s why you’ll see one evolutionist saying “Good post. I agree” so often. It’s their way of reinforcing the preservation and sanctity of the herd. On a broad scale, it’s why communist governments feel no remorse in murdering millions of dissidents in their own countries. The dissidents are viewed as threats to the herd and must be eliminated. Now the folks in the FIAT LUX III herd view the founder (quite naturally) as the leader of the herd and usually defer to him in all matters and take their direction from him. The moderators are below the status of the founder in the herd’s hierarchy but are above regular herd members. That’s why being a moderator is viewed with such importance and why one fellow who doesn’t know who or what God is or what he believes was so desperate to obtain the position. It elevated him in the herd heirarchy. You may notice when an interloper is spotted, the herd often engages in “dog pile” behavior where several members of the herd will attack the interloper at the same time in an attempt to drive him off. That is why the herd leader keeps suggesting I leave GameKnot. The herd doesn’t feel comfortable with a non-herd member in their presence. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 13:07 |
So we all agree there’s no educating this guy. We don’t much like him. We don’t care about his views or his opinions about us. Ergo, reading and commenting on his monologue is pointless. Worse, it feeds his martyr complex and encourages him to dig his heels in even more. I propose a moratorium on looking at his ‘club.’ It’s better for us, better for Andrew, better for the club, better for GK. All in favor, say aye. Aye >> A moderator at FIAT LUX III is seeking consensus from the herd on a proposal to ignore me. May I encourage all the herd moderators to vote “Aye?” |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 13:59 |
Sound like murder to you? And for what? Because I disagree with the herd. Now you see how easy it is for evolutionists, who think they’re animals, to kill other human beings, who they also view as animals. But the mindset of killing someone you disagree with isn’t the mindset of an animal. It’s the mindset of a sick and evil person. Animals are much better than that. |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 14:23 |
Yes. It’s pointless. You say his complaint function has been revoked? How do you know? I didn’t know that was even a thing. I guess they remember his prior behavior. That’s pretty hilarious.>> And the moderator who suggested the FIAT LUX III herd ignore me is *still* talking about me. He couldn’t last two hours. The instinct to protect the herd is too strong! Well at least he doesn’t want to kill me the way another herd member does. But give the herd time. Eventually they’ll settle on the most extreme measure - they cannot tolerate an interloper in their midst. Evolutionists protect the herd at all costs - and by any means necessary! |
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coram_deo 31-Oct-21, 16:36 |
Based on this individual’s past ugly and violent rhetoric toward her political opponents, she doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt - not from me. A ventilator is not used on a thread or a club. It’s used on a human being to keep a human being alive. Anybody who compares human beings to viruses (as she’s done in the past) has a sick and twisted mind - and that’s not the worst she’s done. Maybe she should think twice before shooting off her mouth. |
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