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ace-of-aces
24-Oct-21, 20:46

Jesus Christ is alive and kicking !
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Prophet or profiteer? From all over the Russia and beyond they came to a remote Siberian mountain to hear a message of brotherly love and spiritual unity. Many sold up their homes and adopted a vegan and pastoral life, following would-be messiah who calls himself "Vissarion". Some say he leads his followers along a path of righteousness, or does he really lead them astray? RT meets members of the Church of the Last Testament as well as the charismatically reclusive man himself. He's revered by many as a teacher but at least one former member thinks differently. She once embraced what she thought was an eco-village and left when she began to see Vissarion as a cult leader, and was devastated when her daughter and grandchild stayed behind.

Reincarnate Jesus's story does not end with the first youtube video. Please check the second youtube video BBC. He was accused of fraud and arrested by Putin similar to what he did to dissident Nalvany. The persecution of current Jesus is similar to what was done to real Jesus in New Testament of the bible. Jesus was arrested by Roman soldiers for insurrection. Jesus claimed that he was a king. Romans could not accept this because Roman emperor was the only king that they know of.
victoriasas
28-Dec-24, 20:57

Is there any reason to believe he’s more than a false Christ?
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 03:02

Церковь Последнего Завета
The Church of the Last Testament is the restored church. Torop is not God, but as Jesus returned he is the Word of God.

Like Jesus, he worked in industry his early life. Then he became a soldier, building infrastructure in Mongolia for Soviet Russia. When his unit was disbanded he lost that job, and received the visions to become Vissarion. Like Jesus, he was arrested. Like both Jesus and Navalny, he will be executed as a prisoner. Vissarion will then rise from the dead.

Like Jesus, Vissarion claims Mother Mary his mother, and like Jesus Vissarion repudiated his first marriage to wed a 19 year old who had lived with him since age seven. The marriages of Jesus are details omitted in the gospels, just as they omit many other important details of the life of Jesus.

Vissarion founded a village in the Taiga, home of many religious awakenings. All the homes are hand built of wood, and the people use clean, self sufficient solar power for energy.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 07:10

So worked in industry, got arrested, likely to be executed and has a mother named Mary?

Those are the similarities?

And what’s your source on the alleged missing info from the Gospels?

Given your history of anti-Christian bigotry and mendacity, I think asking for a source is warranted.
mo-oneandmore
29-Dec-24, 08:12

Vic
Your "And what’s your source on the alleged missing info from the Gospels?" question.

See THINK Club forum gameknot.com for recent discussion about the matter.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 08:32

Books that weren’t included in the Bible weren’t included for a reason. Many of the books’ claimed authorship was false. Satan’s been trying to undermine Christianity and deceive people from the very beginning and still is.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 08:46

Satan’s Success
Look how Satan got Xtians to embrace Donald. Satan enjoyed tremendous success even among the devout.

Speaking of arrests, wasn’t Donald arrested FOUR times? Pretty sure I can find a tweet where he claims that.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 08:49

Everything comes back to Trump for you.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 08:52

Claimed Authorship
Moses did not write the Pentateuch. There are so many variations of the Bible, as you know, all of which were written by men and women.

The Divine Throne Chariot, from the Dead Sea Scrolls:

...The ministers of the Glorious Face in the abode of the gods of knowledge fall down before him, and the cherubim utter blessings. And as they rise up , there is a divine small voice and loud praise ; there is a divine small voice as they fold their wings.

The cherubim bless the image of the Throne-Chariot above the firmament, and they praise the majesty of the fiery firmament beneath the seat of his glory. And between the turning wheels, angels of holiness come and go, as it were a fiery vision of most holy spirits; and about them flow seeming rivulets of fire, like gleaming bronze, a radiance of many gorgeous colors, of marvelous pigments magnificiently mingled.

The Spirits of the Living God move perpetually with the glory of the wonderful Chariot. The small voice of blessing accompanies the tumult as they depart, and on the path of their return they worship the Holy One, Ascending they rise marvelously; settling, they stay still. The sound of joyful praise is silenced and there is a small voice of blessing in all the camp of God.

And a voice of praise resounds from the midsts of all their divisions in worship. And each one in his place, all their numbered ones sing hymns of praise.

www.gnosis.org

I figure Satan has so easily confused Xtians about Donald, he easily manipulated the selection of Bible books. I trust holy writ less than I trust Fox or OAN.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 09:42

You’re hardly a credible source on the Bible, and given your propensity to lie, you’re not a credible source on politics either.

Most of your “criticisms” of Trump seem based on speculation and accusations, along with misquoting him.

And Gnosticism is a known heresy that’s been debunked countless times.

But feel free to continue spouting lies. It’s what you do best.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 10:12

Lies
It is a lie that I misquote Groper.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 10:23

Do these paragraphs from the Associated Press reflect what you’ve claimed about Trump’s dictator comment?

<<TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) — As Donald Trump faces growing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian and violent rhetoric, Fox News host Sean Hannity gave his longtime friend a chance to assure the American people that he wouldn’t abuse power or seek retribution if he wins a second term.

But instead of offering a perfunctory answer brushing off the warnings, Trump stoked the fire.

“Except for day one,” the GOP front-runner said Tuesday night before a live audience in Davenport, Iowa. “I want to close the border, and I want to drill, drill, drill.”

And in case anyone missed it, he reenacted the exchange.

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”>>

apnews.com
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 16:25

LOL
You're whining about "only from day one?"

We know what Groper means. How many dictators voluntarily surrendered power the day after they were sworn into office? Groper intends to exercise dictatorial power throughout his term. Indeed, his efforts to overturn the 2020 election--his many lies about that election--are all obvious signs of a dictator wannabe.

I quoted the liar plenty accurately enough.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 16:28

You repeatedly lied about what he said and even now (after you’re shown proof of what he said) you refuse to acknowledge your lie and insist you were telling the truth.

Unreal.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 16:37

LOL
You're the liar, Andrew. But to your credit you don't lie as shamelessly as Groper.

I'm glad you're not into taking lessons from him, as so many Republican sycophants are. While Frank may repeat Groper's lies, I don't believe he does it wittingly. But plenty of conservative church leaders, members of congress, and of course right wing news media pundits happily lie the way Groper does--with utter aplomb.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 16:39

Apology
I won't hold my breath for an apology from you. But you really should consider posting one into each of the forums to which you are a member. Ask for forgiveness in a genuine spirit of contrition and I will consider it.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 17:20

Shameless…

And you wonder why you were tossed from NG like a pair of socks into the hamper.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 20:11

LOL
Ok, I really am not interested in trading barbs. I know you enjoy lobbing insults.

But this is the Jesus thread and while I normally avoid these like a face masked, vaxxed liberal dodging a pandemic, let’s return to the thread topic.

You hand write the Bible. I had a roommate in college who did that. He had blank, bound books. We may have discussed this before but I do not recall. Do you use plain high quality bound books, or do you write on blank pages that you bind later?

What do you do with your copies? My roommate sold his. People paid a lot for his calligraphy, and I guess he had buyers lined up before he started. My hand writing looks like a palsy victim suffered a stroke, and then dropped acid.

One thing I like about what you do is that it does give you a deep understanding both of the text you are copying and the time and effort scribes took to ensure a faithful reproduction. The pastor of my church explained that every time a scribe came to the name of God they switched to a new pen, with such reverence was YHWH held. It occurred to me they must have had only one pen used for God, otherwise they would have burned through a hell of a lot of quails.

I wouldn’t have bothered. Even though I do venerate deity.

So this is one thing I respect about you over Frank. I don’t know his religious background, but I do know he is a crank. Young flat earth? None of that is remotely supportable. It is like, can’t someone let this guy peer through a telescope some time? Or have him keep track of sunset times each day for a week, then take a trip two time zones over east (or west) and repeat? How would that not convince the rowdiest flerf?

I pointed out to another flat earth friend of mine that the phone company would have to be in on the hoax, intercepting phone calls to friends in other time zones and editing any talk of terminator lines to convince each other sunsets were staggered instead of universal. Then what do they do with high latitudes in perpetual dark or day? How do you get a 24 hour day only above or below an arctic/antarctic circle? Guess I need a different thread, and maybe Frank abandoned that. He certainly hasn’t abandoned his faith and trust in Groper.

victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 20:36

I don’t enjoy lobbing insults. I just don’t put up with people insulting and lying about me or mocking what I believe. It’s gone on here for a long time – mainly because I don’t believe molecules-to-man evolution.

I think it’s best not to talk about handwriting the Bible with you because I suspect you’re looking for trolling and mocking material and I’m not interested in giving you any.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 21:00

Hey
I mock flat earth beliefs. But I used to be a creationist so I avoid mocking anti evolution belief when it is based on religious faith. I still do my best to point out where it is wrong, of course.

So you felt I was mocking and insulting you before you called me a liar?
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 21:07

I really have no interest in conversing with you. I would if you could stick to substance, not misrepresent me and what I believe and refrain from lying and insults, but you can’t, at least not for a reasonable length of time.

And I haven’t questioned Darwin’s nonsense on religious grounds. All the criticisms I’ve cited have been based in science and many of the criticisms I’ve cited come from scientists.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 21:35

Whatevs
You ignore the very scientists you quote when they explain they are not disagreeing with Darwin, only suggesting there are more facts to consider.

Whether they are right or not doesn’t diminish evolution, of course. Darwin knew nothing of horizontal gene transfer, nor did the people involved in the modern synthesis which merged Mendelian genetics into Darwin’s mutation (inheritable variation) mechanism.

And the endogenous retroviral genetic insertions responsible for a fair measure of horizontal gene transfer would be like strapping JATO to the engine of evolution.
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 21:37

Like Softaire
You will accuse me of misrepresentation and failing to stick to substance, but neglect to reveal the error of my ways. You feel these posts are not substantive. In what way?
lord_shiva
29-Dec-24, 21:39

Oh Wait
This is the Jesus thread. Why did you think there was anything substantive here to begin with?

This is the Jesus thread, not substance time with Gentle Lord Shiva. No bogarting the Jesus weed.


victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 22:02

The criticisms and flaws I’ve posted regarding molecules-to-man evolution go way beyond what’s posted on the Third Way of Evolution’s website.
victoriasas
29-Dec-24, 22:03

<<Oh Wait

This is the Jesus thread. Why did you think there was anything substantive here to begin with?

This is the Jesus thread, not substance time with Gentle Lord Shiva. No bogarting the Jesus weed.>>

Exactly why conversing with you is a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.
lord_shiva
30-Dec-24, 21:20

From Evolution
<<If you believe Jesus Christ was only a man, you must also believe he was either a liar or crazy based on what He said about Himself. Because He claimed to be far more than a man – and made that claim repeatedly.>>

In books written 30 to 60 years after he croaked.

I was going to tell a funny joke about the crucifixion but guess I’ll just leave him hanging.

Don’t get cross.
victoriasas
30-Dec-24, 22:34

Trolling’s all you got lol
victoriasas
31-Dec-24, 10:40

<<In books written 30 to 60 years after he croaked.>>

BTW, I’m not at all surprised by the length of time that passed (and the Apostle Paul’s letters to churches were written much earlier than that.)

Early Christians were not only being severely persecuted but were involved in spreading the Gospel and the most effective way of communicating back then was verbally.



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