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 LSI mentioned that we need comprehensive immigration reform... no argument there. I don't know about Nunes but it doesn't matter to this discussion. Cheating green card holders may be true... comprehensive immigration reform should fix that. I think I answered your original question. This does not seem to be a reply to that. Are you still confused about the difference between legal and illegal-immigration. who supports which, and the benefits/drawbacks to each? |
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Legal/Illegal Fox News pundits will lie that Democrats want illegal immigration. Ace says Democrats encourage illegal immigration to garner votes—Groper’s idiotic lie about losing California, over which he appointed an investigative committee who found no evidence to support Groper’s odious lie. Back in reality, no Democratic leaders favor illegal immigration. This ignorance just plays well among Fox’s racist viewership. Republicans joyfully proclaim they want only legal immigration, while Trump ponders why we accept people from s*hole countries and not more from northern white European nations. But they off no reform, no compromises. So long as legal immigration remains next to impossible, except when soft core porn stars like Melanie fetch a billionaire’s eye, they swoon in ecstasy. |
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They succeeded in near killing the opposition (50:50 split in Labour voters on Brexit caused the dive), and uniting the far right. They gambled with the economy and lost, but at least they have Putin to blame, so they can lie some more. |
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LS Really? Since Day One of the Biden administration: The Biden administration would have you think that the large numbers of migrants crossing into the U.S. illegally is just 'seasonal,' the border is "secure," and every one of these illegal migrants has a 'right' to an extended and cost-free asylum hearing process extending for years, not including appeals, with free work permits in the interim. Incentives put out by the Biden administration to come on over -- shutting down construction of the border wall, ending the Remain in Mexico policy, ending the Trump-era treaties with Central America, halting deportations, extending benefits, free transport, free cell phones, free medical care, free hotels, free vaccines, plus zero jailtime for breaking and entering, would have nothing to do with it. prove you wrong on every count. .............................................. You had made a post and provided a link and said you were interested in what I thought of it. |
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LS 'Costly failure': Biden admin gave 300K+ smartphones to migrants, cost over $360K a day WASHINGTON (TND) — In a costly endeavor, President Joe Biden's administration has reportedly issued over 300,000 smartphones to noncitizens who have migrated to the United States. It's all a part of the "Alternatives to Detention Program (ATD)." The smartphones cost taxpayers $361,218.08 per day, according to ICE. abcnews4.com |
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stalhandske 19-Dec-22, 20:23 |
Softaire I am surprised that YOU are apparently unaware of what is REALLY the truth. Or did you hide the truth on purpose? eu.usatoday.com |
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Stalh Neither of us knows the exact truth. I think I mentioned that originally in a post to Bob but LS, in all his worldly knowledge, chose to dispute it. A very quick check on the Internet found that, and since I already believed it, I chose to link it for his benefit. You choose to contradict me every chance you get, so I imagine YOU also did a quick search and found what you wanted. Good for you. (We are once again tied) |
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stalhandske 19-Dec-22, 21:14 |
Softaire No, we are not tied. I showed you the facts and the reason why phones with limited usage were issued. Your 'information' - at least the link you posted - is unavailable to me. All I did was to google the 'gift of phones to immigrants', and I posted what I found as number one. Are you sayung it is false? |
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Truth now comes as an option Never mind checking to see if it is accurate; that sounds too much like it might interfere with his 'freedom of speech'. Facts should never be allowed get in the way of a Sacred Opinion. Only 'Elitists' like scientists bother with thinking critically about claims, of testing the evidence. Oh, that's right! Stal is one of those damned 'Scientist' types! And Bob is a bloody engineer, who thinks that his structures might collapse if he gets his sums wrong. Why can't he just tell his buildings to remain standing? That should be enough! |
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stalhandske 19-Dec-22, 21:40 |
Bob 21:31 What would I do without you? |
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As for free medical care, that is limited to emergency care. I can understand why certain groups would prefer these people die in agony instead. We certainly don’t offer our own people care. They have a right to assault rifles, but their victims have no right to medical care, MAGA. |
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ABCNews4 “A 2019 study in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market."[5][6] The company has been criticized by journalists and media analysts for requiring its stations to broadcast packaged video segments and its news anchors to read prepared scripts that contain pro-Trump editorial content, including warnings about purported "fake news" in mainstream media, while Trump has tweeted support for watching Sinclair over CNN and NBC.“. Wiki Like Stalhandske, the link from Softaire would not open for me. |
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The highlighting of cell phones as a benefit to illegal aliens is but one very small item in the large list of expensive benefits to illegals. Are you trying to discount the huge cost of illegal immigration based on your argument that cell phones to illegals is small, trivial, or non existent? Try again at the bottom. Here is most of the important things the link says: .......................................................... WASHINGTON (TND) — In a costly endeavor, President Joe Biden's administration has reportedly issued over 300,000 smartphones to noncitizens who have migrated to the United States. The phones are meant to track the newcomers who are awaiting court dates, according to U.S Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and use facial recognition, GPS monitoring and voice identification. It's all a part of the "Alternatives to Detention Program (ATD)." The smartphones cost taxpayers $361,218.08 per day, according to ICE. Jon Feere, the director of investigations at the Center for Immigration Studies and a former senior advisor at the Department of Homeland Security, called the program a "costly failure" while speaking with the Washington Free Beacon last month, claiming thousands of migrants don't engage or keep up with the programs and just disappear, The Alternatives to Detention program has already proven to be a costly failure with thousands of aliens disappearing from monitoring every year, and there's no reason to think this will be any different," said Feere. The goal should be to quickly determine whether these individuals have a valid case, and if not, to quickly deport them," Feere added. "Instead, DHS is developing a massive social services program that will benefit NGOs with no guarantee any of these individuals will actually return home when ordered to do so." ICE says in an infographic that ATD is meant to increase migrants' compliance with check-in programs while allowing those noncitizens to remain in "their communities" within the United States. ATD is "most effective" with migrants who have strong community ties, a history of compliance, and understand their release is contingent on check-ins, ICE claims in the infographic. ....................................................... abcnews4.com |
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dmaestro 20-Dec-22, 11:37 |
We need immigrants! When you see Softaire reference anything as he generally does from or citing Center for Immigration Studies know it’s just propaganda from an anti-immigration hate group. en.m.wikipedia.org. The same goes for Federation for America Immigration Reform. en.m.wikipedia.org I don’t think he will ever understand how he is being manipulated but that’s life. It’s why I realized there was no point on discussions on immigration. The problem is those who lead these right wing extremists won’t agree to balanced reform or sensible immigration because the resulting mess gets them votes. They depend on it to win. |
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dmaestro 20-Dec-22, 12:33 |
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DM 12:33 - Thumper speaks only the Truth! "Constantine's aim was to water down and blend religions into one religion that was controlled by the Holy Roman Empire." Read that, and contemplate that Constantine died in 337 A.D. The Holy Roman Empire didn't exist until Charlemagne was crowned on Christmas Day 800 A.D. Such a huge error wouldn't get past a school student, so I doubt that any of Thumper's 'sources' would make such a mistake. It would seem that Thumper not only swallows rubbish, but he even adds his own 'sauce'! |
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dmaestro 20-Dec-22, 13:37 |
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DM 13:37 Perhaps some do, but my guess is that there are plenty who know better but won't admit it. Like criminals sticking to their alibi, revisionism is meant for OTHERS to believe. I suspect that's why they are so ready to accuse others of 'fake news'; it is their own favourite weapon and they can't conceive of anyone actually being truthful. "Who would bother with the truth, when a fake fact can be cut to whatever size and shape you want?" It's just incomprehensible. Thumper's mixing of Constantine and the Holy Roman Empire is a perfect example; "It would help my case if it's true, so let's say it's true!" |
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Bob Of everything that's been said on the subject I do find it interesting you would fixate on that misstatement as a pretext for a barage of insults and smears. |
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dmaestro 20-Dec-22, 15:00 |
Corrected link. |
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Thumper 14:59 It heartens me that you have admitted to your error instead of letting it disappear into the past. It confirms my opinion that you are fundamentally an honourable man. you just fall for 'confirmation bias' a bit more often than most. The 'barrage of insults and smears' was a deliberate pull on your chain. You have mocked me in the past as one who is 'arrogant' (I plead guilty to that) and condescending (because I'm always ready to point out where someone needs 'straightening out'). That is because I value accurate data. It's in my bones as an engineer, and it should be in yours if you claim to be competent in aerospace. Without a complete respect for accurate data, people who trust their lives to your work will die. So I'm calling you out for sloppy data, and for scorning me for insisting on the importance of correcting errors. In the past we have disagreed on some things, but you have usually not pushed the boundaries of the patently absurd. You have usually been within reach of a reasonable argument. I hope that 'Holy Roman Empire' gaff has brought you back to reason. |
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DM Is that an "immigrant hate group"? WHY are you saying that the article is a biased immigrant hate group? Or WHY do you think it was from some other source? They posted some numbers which are what I used... what are your numbers concerning the number of cell phones given out and the cost of those cell phones? I still haven't seen YOUR numbers, nor those of LS either. And, which sources are you guys using? |
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Thumper 16:34 To 'disseminate' means 'to scatter, to broadcast'. Did you mean 'dissimulate', meaning 'to mislead'? Which of my statements was false or misleading? I did not more than point out an error (which you had the good grace to concede) that shows you have virtually no knowledge in the area you are lecturing us about. Who is 'dissimulating' here? |
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