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codyj 20-Jul-07, 08:16	Oi shut up Shadow. *Shadow goes quietly back to his corner*
musket33r 20-Jul-07, 16:58	Oi shut up cody *cody goes off to his corner*
saintinsanity 20-Jul-07, 19:04	You two are behaving like children All of your rights have heretofore been revoked!
shadowfaar 22-Jul-07, 07:16	Both dav
mozz 22-Jul-07, 14:47	*in a slow and steady voice* hey, I'm not boring. I have a very exciting collection of post it notes. Did you know that you can get them in colours other than yellow!?
shadowfaar 23-Jul-07, 10:58	oh most definitely I am a teacher they are the life blood of my lesson plans.
mozz 05-Aug-07, 19:11	Is this an abuse of child rights or a practical solution to a difficult problem? Seattle parents of 9-year-old "Ashley" announced they have decided to give her intensive hormone therapy, which will likely cause her not to grow beyond her current stature (4-foot-5, 75 pounds), in that she has a likely permanent brain impairment that prevents her from almost all of life's activities (walking, talking, eating, keeping upright). The parents decided that, since she requires constant care, their incentive to take her places and engage her would be increased if she were of a manageable size rather than a full-grown adult. [Los Angeles Times, 1-3-07] seattletimes.nwsource.com" target="_blank">-> seattletimes.nwsource.com
codyj 05-Aug-07, 19:57	I think it's terrible.
mozz 05-Aug-07, 20:29	Why is it terrible? The child has already reached her mental capacity. Wouldn't it be easier all round if she remained in childhood. She would be easier to manage, and would be less likely to attract unwanted attention in public. I'm not saying that they have done the right thing, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
codyj 06-Aug-07, 14:55	Unwanted attention? Easier to manage? Reached her mental capacity? I don't believe any of this. If you don't want "unwanted attention" and are ashamed of her then you should give her to someone that isn't. You ought to be ashamed of your own selves if you don't want "unwanted attention". I see no reason why you want to stop the growth and further development of your daughter just because she will be "easier to manage". With age people grow up. Again, if you don't want to take care of your daughter as she is then let someone else. If you say you couldn't give her up because you "love her", then act like it. And who said that she has reached her mental capacity? I don't believe it. I hate close-minded people that depend completely on past events and happenings to guess the future. Anything can happen, especially if you want it to.
mozz 06-Aug-07, 15:29	That's a lovely view cody but the reality is that things don't always happen just because we want them to. I don't know exactly what the girls disability is but she may well have reached her mental capacity, although I will say that at 9 it is probably too early to be making that determination. But then consider that the hormone treatment is not meant to affect her mental development, just her physical one. Even if she does develop mentally she won't develop past that of a 9 year old (if the article is acurate). So what happens if she does develop into a full grown adult? As the parents get older they will be less able to care for her as she will become too large for them to physically manage. It is not always a case of love, practical considerations often have to be taken into account as well. What will happen to the child when they do become to large to care for? Often they end up institutionalised purely because the parents can't care for them. For the record, it is not something I would consider. You play the cards you are dealt. Unfortunately, not everyone is up to it.
codyj 06-Aug-07, 15:37	No, reality is what you make it. I know a woman who has a 26-year-old son in a chair, tube fed, can't talk, walk, ect. She's taken care of him all of his life by herself, it's not easy, but it's not hard, if you can know what I mean. My sister has Aicardi Syndrome. We take care of her, she plays, but can't talk/walk. She can sit up. It's a chore to take care of her yes, but it's really not, again if you can know what I mean. www.aicardisyndrome.org" target="_blank">-> www.aicardisyndrome.org
mozz 06-Aug-07, 16:01	It's good that you do look after your sister cody, but not everyone is strong enough (emotionally as well as physically). Is it better for the child to become unmanageable and the parents to surrender the child or is it better to keep the child in a manageable state so they can keep her? It is generally accepted that a child is better off at home than with foster parents or institutionalised but what lengths do we need to go to to allow the parents to keep her there? I don't really think this is a black and white issue. I wouldn't do it and you wouldn't because we are strong enough to care for them, but what about the people who are not strong enough? Not being strong enough does not mean that they do not love her enough.
shadowfaar 09-Aug-07, 03:41	As far as strenght goes. I care for a quadraplegic brother, but before me my 4'2" 110 lb mother took care of him until she died at 70. The do have the mental strength because they are keeping the child. So I think that handles the strength issue.
codyj 09-Aug-07, 07:26	It's not too difficult caring for the disabled. And I do not believe that it's right taking away that person's growth just as to make it a little "easier" to care for. Well, if you care enough it won't be a problem!
daddysgirl 22-Jun-08, 20:13	big subject here.. was there an answer yet?
jason_886 23-Jun-08, 13:36	Yep "children do what your are told or you'll get a smack" Oh dang...can I say that
mozz 23-Jun-08, 15:34	you just did
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