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Ronald ReaganPoint. Game. Match! |
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hennybogan1953 08-Aug-15, 19:47 |
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tat3225 09-Aug-15, 02:59 |
What about Operation Fast and Furious? |
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GOP Grass Fed GoatsSpeaking of stings, while Ronnie was president the largest producer and purveyor of child pornography was the USPS, by multiple orders of magnitude. |
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tat3225 09-Aug-15, 07:11 |
What?Operation Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and is connected to Operation Fast and Furious because Operation Wide Receiver was what inspired Operation Fast and Furious. But the two are different things. In 2006, the ATF office in New Mexico or Arizona or something ended up using a gun shop owner in Arizona or New Mexico as an informant. During that period they figured out that people that they thought were affiliated with the drug cartels, were trying to buy weapons illegally in border gun shops and then smuggling them across the border. They ended up making it easier for these gun sales to take place, to the tune of a few hundred weapons, in an effort to investigate something. A few months later in 2007 the investigation ended. Nothing happened with any of the information and there was a legitimate disconnect between Washington and the ATF field office at that time. It was this disconnect that the Obama Administration identified as a problem within the Bush Administration. The DOJ under the Obama Administration saw this is as a failure of the Bush administration to address Mexican cartels. In the summer of 2009, the DOJ, ATF, FBI and DEA collaborated together and used information from Operation Wide Receiver to come up with Operation Fast and Furious: An organized, interconnected, large scale operation to intentionally encourage and increase firearm smuggling from border states into Mexico. They did this by making it easy for people to "legally" purchase firearms that were then smuggled into Mexico. The goal was logical.....to see where the weapons ended up. This would provide clues as to the relationships between the cartels and possibly other connections. The problem is that this operation involved the sale of thousands of weapons like AK-47's and AR-15's and handguns to people smuggling firearms for the cartels. These weapons ended up in Mexico and are responsible for the deadly increase in cartel violence in Mexico over the past 8 years. These are also weapons that are now being pointed at US federal agents and perhaps more importantly, have killed hundreds of Mexican law enforcement who would otherwise still be alive. Basically, there was a firearm demand within the cartels that Operation Wide Receiver identified in 2006 but didn't do anything about. The few hundred weapons smuggled into Mexico under the ATF field office investigation was done with a more clear plan in mind, and most of those weapons were recovered within one year by agents at the field office. This is logical too.... because the ATF couldn't do something other than this without federal money and involvement. In late 2009 the previously (2006) identified firearm demand within Mexican cartels was fulfilled under Operation Fast and Furious and theoretically allowed for information to be gathered that could not otherwise be gathered. But absolutely nothing was learned that could outweigh the costs of funneling these weapons into Mexico. US Federal agents were killed with these weapons. Mexican law enforcement were killed with these weapons. Mexican civilians were killed and cartels were made stronger by having this firepower. The US Coast Guard now faces these weapons when patrolling for drug boats. The cartels took over even more of Mexico than they had before because of these weapons. Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta are no longer the popular American vacation destinations that they once were, Acapulco in particular, because of Operation Fast and Furious. Cozumel has turned into a dump, because of Operation Fast and Furious and the involvement of drug cartels on the island using it for drug smuggling. Over half of the weapons are still unaccounted for. This is precisely why the Bush administration did nothing about the ATF field office investigation and didn't see it as any kind of opportunity. All that said, the issue with Fast and Furious is that government officials do not understand how this operation could possibly take place as a legitimate investigation. It looks exactly like government officials seeing opportunity to make money by selling weapons to drug cartels are under the guise of a federal investigation. The DOJ and others have refused to turn over subpoenaed documents and information pertaining to Fast and Furious, including Eric Holder, who was held in contempt for his refusal to provide what congress had requested. Barack Obama claims that he had no knowledge of Fast and Furious. Which may be true. Except that this is not an excuse. His entire job as President is to be responsible for what happens beneath him. Not knowing about this is does not absolve him of responsibility. The fast and furious situation was what set the tone between Obama and Congress. Obama's detachment from the operation and refusal to take any responsibility or involvement, despite evidence that he not only knew about it but was actively involved, was pretty much unprecedented. This is what contributed to the supposed "right wing conspiracy" ideas that Barack Obama couldn't be trusted and had ulterior motives. |
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tat3225 09-Aug-15, 07:39 |
I can't believe liberals really don't know what fast and furious is. It's actually infuriating. |
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TatSo apparently you think Reagan screwed up since you interpret this statement of fact as critique. Typical right wing idiocy where facts are the enemy. |
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If the Repus can't demonstrate that Reagan did something good for America, they might be in trouble. |
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Tat |
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Clinton quote |
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LoL you're trying to tear down Reagan?These trolls have nothing better to do than throw rocks at shiny things. |
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President Bill Clinton who said on this very subject, "That's like a Monica sitting on my lap Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul II ended the Cold War. The Soviets neither had the moral high ground nor the economy nor even the technology to beat the West. |
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Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious - Obama is the mixed-race Nixongameknot.com BEGIN TRANSCRIPT Rush Limbaugh : I'll tell you something else, folks, if I were Hispanic, you know what would really trouble me? To learn that the President of the United States had allowed assault weapons to be walked across the border to drug cartels and used to slaughter hundreds of Mexicans. If I were Hispanic, that would really tick me off. "Holder lied, Mexicans died." We had a call at the end of the program yesterday from a woman who kept hearing that Democrats are blaming Bush for Fast and Furious. Speaking of which, you know how the Democrats hate guns, you know how the media hates guns. I mean, they laugh at, they make fun of people who hunt. John Kerry in the '04 campaign going to some tackle and bait shop in Ohio and saying, "Is this where I get me a huntin' license?" Come on. So they hate it. The liberals, including in the media, hate it. And yet here we have a total lack of interest about Fast and Furious. No moral outrage at all. Wouldn't you think that giving semi-automatic weapons to drug lords who use them to kill hundreds of Mexicans, and at least one American border agent, wouldn't you think that would tick off people in this country who don't like guns? Wouldn't you think that would tick the media off? Wouldn't you think that's even more of a crime than sprinkling water up the noses of mass murdering terrorists? If you have a problem with waterboarding, then how could you not have a problem with this? Well, it's clear. The media, they're going to circle the wagons and they're going to protect this president no matter what. It doesn't matter how much of their core beliefs they have to compromise, it doesn't matter. We have a one-party news media too busy remembering Watergate. They can't get over Watergate. They're all a bunch of Woodward and Bernsteins in the press corps, and they want to go back and relive Watergate 40 years ago. That's what this is giving them an opportunity to do. Obama invokes executive privilege and they start doing retrospectives on Nixon and Watergate 40 years ago, too busy to bother looking into the Obama regime cover-up of Fast and Furious. We had a call late in the program yesterday from a woman who wanted to know what the difference was, because Democrats keep saying that Bush started a program. Jay Carney is saying it, they're all saying that Bush started this program. Bush did have a program like this. It was called Wide Receiver. And I told you yesterday that I was going to explain to you the differences today in Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious, and they're significant and they're profound. Wide Receiver was a small scale law enforcement gun smuggling interdiction effort that involved Phoenix -- I mistakenly said Tucson yesterday -- involved Phoenix-based ATF agents working in conjunction with Mexican law enforcement. ATF supervisors and justice department prosecutors in Arizona were trying to build a case against a violent group of Mexican drug smugglers. Fast and Furious was an effort to build a case against American gun dealers and the Second Amendment. That's the stark difference. Wide Receiver was an attempt to build a case against gun smugglers and the drug cartels, to find out who they were, where they are. The purpose of Fast and Furious was to build a case against the Second Amendment. In a nutshell, Wide Receiver began in 2005. It involved four hundred guns. All of the weapons in Wide Receiver had RFID trackers installed in them, and they were actively tracked. Only the Phoenix ATF and DOJ were involved. The Mexican government was kept fully informed. They were an active participant. In Wide Receiver, the ATF agents tried to track the guns using radio devices and aircraft. They wanted to find out where the guns ended up, into the hands of which cartels and where they were, so that a case could be made. It was an effort to track these people to find them, locate them. The Bush administration, as part of Wide Receiver, notified the Mexican government when arms and drug smugglers were crossing. When the guns were being walked across the border or when they had been purchased legally, being taken back to Mexico, the Mexican government was notified. At least 1,400 arrests were made as part of Wide Receiver. Now, once ATF found out the smugglers were disabling the tracking devices, the RFID tracking devices that were planted in the guns, they ripped them out and then the guns were lost. So the program was shut down in October of 2007. Once the bad guys discovered the tracking devices, the program was ended, in 2007. Ended. Now, here's Fast and Furious by contrast. Fast and Furious began in October of 2009. Obama is in his tenth month. Wide Receiver doesn't exist. It'd been shut down for two years. Fast and Furious involved over 2,000 guns. Wide Receiver was 1,400 guns. Roughly. No tracking devices were planted in the Fast and Furious guns. The regime didn't care where they ended up. There were no tracking devices. No effort was made to track them. No helicopters. There was no on-the-ground surveillance of the straw purchasers. None of it. The guns were sold, they were walked across the border, and that was it. Four federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cities in five states. In contrast to Wide Receiver, the Mexican government was not notified the program even existed. They did not use tracking devices or aircraft to try to find and track the smugglers. The local ATF field agents were ordered not to follow the straw purchasers. Fast and Furious is as bad as everything you have conjured it to be in your mind. Wide Receiver has nothing in common, other than guns crossing the border. That's it. Federal agents, furthermore -- are you following all this, Snerdley? -- federal agents were not allowed to interdict the guns and they even ran interference for the smugglers with local law enforcement on multiple occasions to make sure those guns made it across the border. No effort was ever made to arrest the straw purchasers, the smugglers, by local law enforcement or anybody else. And none were arrested. The program was closed down only after the deaths of at least 200 Mexican civilians and two federal agents, border agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata, were linked to the smuggled weapons. Now, it is important to understand that Wide Receiver had been tried and it had clearly failed before Obama's team decided to undertake Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious used many more guns. They didn't track them. They didn't try to stop or interdict the guns. They knew that they were going to end up in Mexican drug cartel hands, which is what they wanted to happen. To me, it's almost an inescapable conclusion that they wanted to put American guns, American purchased guns -- the guns were not stolen, they were purchased at gun shops, and then the straw purchasers working for the drug cartels were allowed to take them across the border. As I said earlier, local law enforcement was shoved out of the way if it tried to get in the way and stop this. So it looks to me like they wanted to put American-bought guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels in order to outrage the American public so that you, upon hearing of all this mayhem, would finally understand that our government laws are too lax and need to be tightened down. Particularly on these kinds of guns, assault weapons, because this had failed in Congress. The assault weapons ban had failed, and that's not good enough for Obama and Holder and the rest of the Democrats who don't want you having guns. This was a way to change your mind. They created crimes. They facilitated the creation of crimes. There were two hundred Mexican deaths at the hands of drug cartels. You could not escape what was going to happen here. In fact, it was just the opposite. You had to know, if you were the regime, what was going to happen -- and you had to want it to happen. Again, that is quite different from the goal of Wide Receiver. Remember the objective of the Bush plan, Wide Receiver, was the authorities wanted to build a case against the local drug cartels in order to put them out of business. It was a risky move, anyway. You allow guns to cross the border so you can track them. You find out where they go, find out where the cartel's headquarters are and what-all is happening. It was a risky thing to do. They shut it down. When the tracking devices and the guns were found, they shut the program down. There were no tracking devices of Obama's guns. There was no effort to find out where they went. And Holder has lied so much about it. (summarized) "Oh, I didn't know about the program. When I came into office it was already underway. Nobody told me about it in months." It was dead! It died in 2007. There were two dormant years between Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious. Wide Receiver was a sting operation. There doesn't seem to be any plan for any kind of a sting in Fast and Furious, at least not against the gun smugglers. As I say, the simplest way to understand this is the Bush administration was trying to build a case (along with the Mexican government) against a violent group of Mexican drug smugglers. Fast and Furious was an effort to build a case against the Second Amendment and American gun dealers. Because after all, if Fast and Furious worked the way the regime wanted it to, guess who is in the crosshairs? The people selling these guns (in Arizona and elsewhere) that ended up in the hands of the drug cartel. Don't think that wasn't part of the plan, either. So now, whatever documentation there is on this is under protection of executive privilege. It's got to be pretty bad. Whatever is in there, Obama has to be very worried about it -- and that's why he's hiding it. So the question here must always be: "What's Obama hiding?" And Dick Morris said a couple days ago that it must be pretty bad to bring this up now. Because Fast and Furious, before Wednesday of this week, everybody laughed at it. Other than us. But the mainstream media and the Democrats laughed at it. They thought it was nothing more than a branch office of the birthers, a bunch of conspiracy kooks. But now? "My gosh! This is so big that the president has invoked executive privilege. What's in there?" In 2007, when the Bush administration closed down Wide Receiver, they said: Never again. My guess is that somebody in the Obama regime discovered this program, thought it was cool, and thought it might serve a different purpose. And it's heinous. It's heinous what they did. END TRANSCRIPT |
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How can you make up links? |
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saintinsanity 09-Aug-15, 17:38 |
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Ditto HeadWell, Rush Limbaugh never fails to produce the steaming mountain of sh*t we have come to expect from his lard a$$. The only disappointing part of his bug brained screed is that he failed to use the word "thugger," which would reveal his true racist attitude. Rush has never said Obama should pull the bone out of his nose. “The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.” “Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.” “They’re [n*ggers] 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?” “You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ |
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Rush is No. 1 |
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Ratings, MaybeRush spews his venomous idiocy without bothering to fact check. Most of his so-called facts he simply plucks from among the dingleberries infesting his ample a$$. I agree there is no conservative pundit voice smarter than his--but this isn't saying anything except that it is so sad William F. Buckley Jr. and William Safire have passed away. The brains of the conservative spokesmen died with them. Ann Coulter is smart, but so vile and nasty she makes the skin crawl of any reasonable person. Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, all the rest are mental midgets and an embarrassment to mankind. It is truly pathetic what the Republican Party has become. |
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When you're the best at what you doI think you like 1000 filters that take all the substance out of language. You're so PC you're boring. |
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Beck has built an Empire.O'Reilly is a Harvard grad. He's been number one in his time slot forever. CNN and MSNBC burnt down in the wake of the Fox News superiority. Roger Ailes is a King-maker, having ushered Reagan into the White House and mothballing Ted Turner. |
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hennybogan1953 09-Aug-15, 19:30 |
MAGSI love Mags T. I have stated numerous times that Mags is going to be my heaven wife when I get to heaven. Actually I think I said Mags is going to be in a Kelly Labrock 1985 body and Jesus is going to marry us and Ronald Reagan will be the President of Heaven and John Wayne will be my best man. |
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We don't have leaders like them anymore |