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zorroloco
31-Aug-06, 21:04

on eloquence
"Remember that you are a human being with a soul and the divine gift of articulate speech: that your native language is the language of Shakespeare and Milton and The Bible; and don't sit there crooning like a bilious pigeon."


George Bernard Shaw from Pygmalion
kingofpawns
31-Aug-06, 22:08

on ineloquence...
I think we shouldn't ignore ineloquence either. Here are some nice examples:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to
harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"I've reminded the prime minister—the American people, Mr. Prime Minister, over the past months that it was
not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship."

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., June 29, 2006

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a
tide turn—did I say those words?"

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in
Germany."

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006

"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of
defense."

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006

"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe it—I'm going to repeat what I said
before—I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out."

G. W. Bush —Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006

I've got very good relations with President Mubarak and Crown Prince Abdallah and the King of Jordan, Gulf
Coast countries."

G. W. Bush —Washington, D.C., May 29, 2003

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do
things."

G. W. Bush —Aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their
steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America."

G. W. Bush —Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003

"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop
weapons of mass destruction."

G. W. Bush —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003

"[W]hether they be Christian, Jew, or Muslim, or Hindu, people have heard the universal call to love a
neighbor just like they'd like to be called themselves."

G. W. Bush —Washington, Oct. 8, 2003
mozz
01-Sep-06, 04:00

They may be eloquent but...
...they are borderline insane. Short simple and oh so wrong.

The last one doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Is that what he said or is it a mis-quote?

"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America."
- Is he referring to the slaves that were stolen from their homes and forced to work in the cotton fields?

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things."
- This is one of the scariest things a president can say! Now put that with the statement:
"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense."

I'm not a Bush hater as frankly I don't think he deserves that much of my effort. Mind you he is not my president. I am happy though that he has stepped up to fill the void left by Dan Quayle.


But on eloquence:
"True eloquence," Oliver Goldsmith says, "Does not consist ... in saying great things in a sublime style, but in a simple style; for there is, properly speaking, no such thing as a sublime style, the sublimity lies only in the things; and when they are not so, the language may be turgid, affected, metaphorical, but not affecting."

Here here, an eloquent style is based on the audience. It affects the audience. It is more than imparting great truths. For me, truth has to be part of eloquence. If the orator/writer does not believe what they are putting forward then it is merely acting. It is the originator's belief in what they are saying that gets the audience in.



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