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 Dream on confused ones....
Then maybe we can turn Cheney and GWB over too the Hague Court for War Crimes, and crimes against Humanity!!! Now that would a real 'indictment'.Not phony bologna bull crap!!!.
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This is the AP doing a fact check between what Hillary said and what the FBI found
www.bigstory.ap.org
It's not Fox News thinking got anyone. Just the fact checking based on Hillary's own statements and what she said wasn't true based on the findings of the FBI.
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that is 'your interpretation'.
and it happens to be Foxnews interpretation also. But there will be no-criminal indictment!! I repeat 'no criminal indictment'. And since there will be no indictment then the Majority will elect her Preside,nt. We will not allow the Likes of Trump to become President. And we will take back the senate and nominate progressive SCOTUS nominees. Breitbart and Foxnews can whine and bitch all they want. But the writing is on the wall. Fortunately there are more '' intelligent people in this Country then there are Dummies!!!That was shown in 08 and 2012.They have not left!! They have in fact increased their numbers. you guys should put this on your profile page to remind you of the time the Conservative party has left as a force in American politics..tic-toc ;www.270towin.com.
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BC
There is nothing to "interpret". She either said incorrect things or she did not. And she did based on the FBI's investigation. An indictment isn't relevant to if she demonstrated incompetence and then lied about it. The objective evidence shows she did.
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dmaestro
06-Jul-16, 13:58
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Blackmail? Not really although most people might think so. Regarding classification there is a lot of over classification, classificatiion after the fact, etc. Analysts both friendly and foe are good at correctly inferring classified from unclassified info.When she wins she wins, I think she was premptively dealing with a forthcoming political campaign where leaks are taken out of context. The assumption is she is hiding criminal behavior is not one I take seriously. The right wing and her enemies are simply over exaggerating the impact.
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prog
down load that clock.That's how much time you have left to spin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BC
There isn't any spin.
Don't people deserve competence?
I mean I hear your bluster here but I think it's entirely misplaced.
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Prog...
... by all these HRC explanations, are you saying that Trump is of greater character to be prez? [obviously he doesn't have either the political experience, and he hasn't disclosed a fraction of what HRC has on public record] If so, I'd like your justifications for leaning toward him. If not, then explain what elements you would use (or suggest to others to use) to decide how to vote. You're a thoughtful poster, this is an honest question.
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Chaz
Trump is a horrible candidate.
I can't vote for him. Won't vote for him.
I could vote concievably for Biden for instance but he's not running.
I'll be casting a third party vote this year. Probably Gary Johnson. Though I'm less of a libertarian by the day.
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dmaestro
06-Jul-16, 15:46
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There is a famous picture of Henry Kissinger as Secretary of State reading a top secret document with the text captured from a distance with a telephoto lens. The point being precedent in this specific situation does not justify prosecution. Keep in mind that security in the government was lax for a long time--the Chinese hacked the plans for the stealth fighter in 2009.
I think people who don't like Hillary have made too big of a deal of this. Being President today is way different than state back the .
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Prog...
... thanks for a good response. I have voted Libertarian in the past once, for some similar reasons (at the time); I'm really in a quandary now. It becomes a question about throwing one's vote away on a 3rd party ... or trying to make sure the candidate one opposes the most is NOT elected. I don't like these choices.
Johnson is "okay" as a practical traditionalist I suppose. I could be attracted to a good 3rd party candidate. The older I get, the less it seems it matters.
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dmaestro
06-Jul-16, 15:47
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However those who vote Libertarian on principle are consistent.
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Josh
I agree she was dishonest and perhaps incompetent in some ways. Name a pol who isn't and hasn't. If lying was a criminal offense, every politician would be in jail. If incompetence disallows people from holding high office, we would never have a president, VP, congressperson, governor or senator.
I agree with DM... Mountain out of a molehill. Clinton is not blameless or completely honest.... and what else is new?
BC is the sycophantic one here, with her bling allegiance to Clinton. But you seem to be, if not following Fox propaganda, at least placing far more importance to these issues than they deserve. IMO.
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Chaz
Depending on your state it may not matter if you protest vote someone - a green or a libertarian for instance.
America handed us a couple of lemons this year.
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saintinsanity
06-Jul-16, 19:28
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I'd say if Sanders doesn't win here in some crazy conventional ballot we are in big trouble. Again.
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Jeff
Well. I'm not terribly satisfied with the "Every politician is incompetent and lies" apology here.
And I disagree with you. There are many politicians who are competent and don't flat out lie. Even if I disagree with our current president, I don't think I can make any kind of case for gross incompetence and bald face lying by him or his vice president.
In fact Biden looks like a peach right about now. I fundamentally disagree with the man on a few things, but I'd vote for him over Trump or Hillary.
Hell . . . I'd vote for the Rock over Trump or Hillary.
I still might write in Lawrence Kotlikoff.
Maybe it's not a mountain, but it's more than a molehill and it's insulting. It does underline for me that as much as I dislike Trump, I can't hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
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dmaestro
07-Jul-16, 06:37
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www.cnn.com
The endless GOP hate and personal vendetta against the Clintons continues. When Obama was nominated I naively had hope the growing political divide might close since Hillary was not running. When I saw them nominate Palin and demonize Obama I realized conservatives just thrive on hate end of story. The GOP will stop at nothing and has no decency left as the popularity of Trump demonstrates. They are Neo McCarthyists and international adversaries have exploited their prime directive to undermine at any cost. They must be defeated and denied power.
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Josh
It wasn't an apology. It was a statement of fact. Other than Obama, every one of our last 5 presidents has been at least as deeply flawed as HRC. I am not saying that is good, but it does demonstrate that the current level of vitriol from the right against HRC is partisan in nature and not grounded in reality.
I tend to agree that both candidates are flawed. And I will probably vote Green, but only because Oregon is a certain win for the Dems. If it is close, I will definitely vote for Clinton to keep ass hat Trump out of the Oval Office.
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Would Chelsea Manning
be in prison for doing what Hillary did?
No. Chelsea knowingly and deliberately leaked secrets. So far the only people uncovering Hilary's secrets are FBI agents with their own security clearance. No harm, no foul, and no double standard. Conservatives sure have been playing up the comment any average person would have been prosecuted, a claim that is crap.
Bernie will be voting for Hillary come November, and so will I. As Obama explains, she is the most qualified candidate who ever ran for office. The furor over the email truly is a molehill.
Meanwhile, Trump praises Saddam for violating the civil rights of the people he murdered. Really? This is who nearly half of America is throwing their support? How do conservatives dismiss this as a laughing matter?
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Jeff
Don't like the use off "apology" in this context? Ok. I find the rationalization and justification horribly flawed. The same categorical type of excuse could be made for any number of issues I now you personally have strong opinions about such as sexism or racism. "We've always been sexist or racist, why are you making a big deal about it now? That's just the way it is". Once you understand why you don't like that statement you will categorically understand my objections here and why your apology, and it is, lacks any intellectual fortitude.
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dmaestro
07-Jul-16, 11:55
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Stopping Trump is what is critical.
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Josh
Didn't Powell and Rice do the same thing with their emails? And servers? And didn't Cheney and Bush 'lose' millions of emails?
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Just saying
Few people, at the time, considered what she was doing illegal or unusual, or dangerous.
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saintinsanity
07-Jul-16, 18:58
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Yet they keep doing it over and over and we let them. Why stop them now?
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Chaz...
Chaz: <Albeit not a perfect world, help me to understand how the vehemence and passion against HRC's acts of omission or negligence or carelessness comes even close to the divisiveness and absence of competence on Trump's part.>
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First of all, this is a loaded question. It assumes the conclusion. Basically, all Trump wants to do is to enforce immigration laws and fulfill his (if elected) obligation to keep Americans safe. It just so happens that, in terms of volume, and/or risk, our concerns rest with specific ethnic and religious groups. If that meets your definition of “divisiveness” then so be it; many on the right (myself included) are sick and tired of constantly being judged by the left’s standards of political correctness. How you can label HRC’s so benignly is beyond me.
Chaz: <We have much to be thankful for in this country. I don't understand the role of the dice with someone who has proved he's only into things for his own self-aggrandizement. HRC's decades of experience are bound to have inconsistencies. But, it's somehow OK for Trump not even to disclose his tax returns (etc.). I just don't understand it.>
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What is the point of Trump releasing his Tax returns? Ordinarily politicians are asked to release their returns so we can understand who they are a little better… we already know all about Trump so his tax returns are of little value. Maybe he is waiting for HRC to release her speeches for which she was paid 100’s of thousands of dollars.
More generally, here is a post for you to read as to how I personally feel about Trump.
townhall.com
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saintinsanity
07-Jul-16, 19:33
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Ha ha, oh God
www.bbc.com
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pecos...
... I appreciate your thoughtful response. I guess I'm far more worried about the inevitable chaos that will come with such divisiveness as Trump keeps delivering in his words. More than worried, I'm becoming scared. Before you believe I'm a Leftie no matter what, I have voted for a GOP for prez far more times than a Dem over the years ... I feel I'm being pushed Left lately, however, by all the antics the Tea Party has suggested. I'm still in the middle politically (Independent), but I'm definitely scared of someone who is more attracted to power and self aggrandizement than doing what's right for the country (ALL of our country's citizens and future citizens). I do not like my choices for prez right now.
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saintinsanity
07-Jul-16, 19:39
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www.youtube.com
Minimize your screen and mute the volume.
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saintinsanity
07-Jul-16, 19:41
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www.youtube.com
Oh dear
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saintinsanity
07-Jul-16, 19:43
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Comey has some bad liars sitting behind him in that last video.
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