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saintinsanity 07-Jul-16, 19:50	youtu.be Wow. This is brutal.
saintinsanity 07-Jul-16, 20:01	It's all going to come down. This guy grilling the FBI director is good.
saintinsanity 07-Jul-16, 20:04	www.youtube.com
saintinsanity 07-Jul-16, 20:16	If the DOJ would have thrown out the indictment request via a prosecutor it may have ended there. Now we have Congress involved and many more people have a way to get their thoughts in.
proginoskes 07-Jul-16, 20:26	Jeff Doesn't everyone correctly make the case that those folks (Bush, Powell, etc) were incompetent?? With that knowledge how excited would you be to have any of them back? Would you tolerate an explanation from me that, "ahhh shucks Jeff, all politicians are incompetent liars"
saintinsanity 07-Jul-16, 20:42	Deleted by saintinsanity on 07-Jul-16, 20:43.
ace-of-aces 08-Jul-16, 16:01	Double standard for HRC. www.foxnews.com A marine officer got a classified email and sent a warning to his fellow marines that an Afghan police chief might be a security risk. His Afghan deputy later killed 3 marines. A marine officer was fired for possessing a single classified email on his computer. He is appealing his case that his case should be dismissed similar to HRC who was not charged with any crime.
ace-of-aces 08-Jul-16, 16:52	Small lies, Big Lies and True Lies youtu.be Prog said, Would you tolerate an explanation from me that, "ahhh shucks Jeff, all politicians are incompetent liars" ---------------------- Since every or most of the politicians are liars, should we dismiss HRC's case ? Some may say, small lies are OK, but big lies are not. Remember Bernie Madoff, a great con man who swindled billions dollars of investment money by his Ponzi scheme. He was caught finally but after several years. If he was caught early, most investors could save a lot of money. After FBI director was grilled, we now know that her lies are true. That is, they are true lies. Are the lies so benign that should HRC might be dismissed ? Clintons owed millions of dollars when Bill Clinton left White House. Since she became secretary of state, they amassed a fortune of $ 100 million. According to the " Clinton Cash " book, their fortune is now up to $ 230 million. It seems like the duo Clintons are great con-artists. They channeled the bribery thru the Clinton foundation and by their high priced speeches. Everything cons they did was legal. They are the great escapists since magician Houdini, even the latter could not escape finally and drowned. GOPs are alarmed and trying to trap her before she becomes POTUS and CiC. Don't get them wrong.
chaz- 08-Jul-16, 17:10	... here we go again mixing apples and oranges.
lord_shiva 08-Jul-16, 17:34	Lies I'm not entirely convinced Hillary knowingly lied. She said things that were not true, but were they intentional lies? The reason I say this is because it turns out that in a small handful of instances where messages contained classified information the headers had been stripped. Some of these (at least some) were per her request, but it is my understanding (as it was Comfey's) that the person sending the message simply neglected to delete the classified portions. Hillary had NO classified documents on her mail server, that much is true. Rather, what we are talking about here is message content. And it seems to me most likely that she was simply unaware the person sending the document had neglected to fully comply with her request. As far as the work related email is concerned, she had her attorneys go through the mail. They deleted a small fraction of messages that WERE work related that should not have been deleted. Those messages did not fit any pattern of intentional deceit. It has been nine months since October 2015, and we are still making a mountain out of this mole hill. It is good the former Secretary of State has caught some flak for this--I hope future cabinet members and administrations learn from Hillary's lesson. My guess is that there will be purges easily as great as those of the Bush administration in the years to come, during every conservative administration (if there is ever another one), and that no one will care any more than they did about Karl Rove deleting twenty two million (22,000,000) work related emails.
softaire 08-Jul-16, 22:37	LS Does it hurt when you twist and contort yourself so that you can spit out such convoluted logic?
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 01:41	Actually LS said what I would say. A yes or no answer to the question does not convey the extent to which Hillary was aware of inaccuracies regarding a relatively small percentage of emails. I'm fed up with people who don't understand the law and burden of proof. There is NO basis for a perjury prosecution it's just her enemies ranting.
ace-of-aces 09-Jul-16, 06:52	There is " intention " in a lie. video.foxnews.com Trey Gowdy explained that when HRC made a false statement ( Lie ) there is an intention to deceive. Even a dummy can accept his explanation.
softaire 09-Jul-16, 07:38	Ace Good catch... Thanks.
ace-of-aces 09-Jul-16, 09:59	Intentional perjury MyneGaim July 7, 2016 9:9PM The majority of Americans just saw Royal treatment of an Elitist. I personally don't care that she wasn't indicted because it's still going to cost her the election. If she had no idea that emails would be coming to her as Secretary of State that contained confidential materials, she's a complete incompetent fool. Really? She's the first Secretary of State that got a confidential email? Couple that with the fact that the server wasn't secure.. that the FBI think it was "Likely" compromised and she going to back peddling the rest of the election. No charges because she didn't intentionally act negligently?? Can someone please give me one example of someone intentionally acting negligently? Intentionaly negligence is MALICE. Unintentional negligence is incompetence.. plain and simple. Fine, don't charge her for being stupid! But thank you far clarifying that she's "COMPLETELY CLULESS". biasobscures July 7, 2016 0:12PM There's no question Hillary has committed intentional Perjury.
chaz- 09-Jul-16, 11:03	ace ... ... not to repeat here, but it had been common practice for high-level officials to have private servers back over the years. Remember Rove? Remember Rice? They both had them, and I didn't see them getting the same kind of treatment. Then there are those literally millions of emails deleted by presidents in the past (both Bill and George) as common practice ... but we let presidents do this sort of thing, don't we.
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 11:30	I disagree what she said met the legal definition of perjury. Gowdy is a prosecutor who can pontificate without having to actually convict. It's simply whether you respect Hillary or not at this point. It's up to the voters and I think she will win. There is no point in trying to close the political divide in this country because time makes clear winning is all that matters. The right must be defeated that is the bottom line just as they do to us when they can.
chaz- 09-Jul-16, 11:39	... it's less about political "spinning" I believe ... than it is about choosing the better of two candidates who have remarkably different and opposing views on what's good and what's not good in this country. Do we build walls? Or, do we build bridges?
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 12:03	Wall building is in vogue right now. I don't care about Hillary's emails in the big picture. I realize she has been preparing to run and was more concerned with the inevitable right wing attacks than transparency. It's just a typical political stunt spun over and over looking for traction. Politics is a dirty business of divide and conquer. I believe Hillary will win and what she does as President is what matters. You notice it is those who don't like Hillary anyway ranting about emails.
saintinsanity 09-Jul-16, 12:09	The real point is that it's not too late. We don't have to choose between Hillary and Trump. Bernie can take it on the floor of the convention.
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 12:14	That won't happen because not enough agree it was that serious. The two party system remains the underlying problem.
chaz- 09-Jul-16, 12:44	... can Biden play a role here? Or, is that undeniably out?
saintinsanity 09-Jul-16, 13:04	I'd say Biden is a non player. I'd prefer him to HIllary but he is entrenched in the current administration, and he doesn't really want it. His son just died I think.
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 13:06	Biden is working behind the scenes and Bernie will endorse Hillary as far better than alternatives. But Obama's speeches about the country not being as divided as it appears are wishful thinking. The generation gap in the Dems wont be healed. www.cnbc.com There is no near term healing these divides; race, age, rural vs urban etc. It seems pessimistic to say so but reality is what it is. We will see people choose their political views the way they choose radio stations never to meet. www.politico.com
chaz- 09-Jul-16, 13:15	... and I fear more protests, more violence, and yet more prejudice against honest law-abiding people. Is there no alternative?
zorroloco 09-Jul-16, 13:17	Is it possible? That we are seeing the beginning of the end for the two party system? Trump and the other fascists on the right, moderate right/establishment ala McCain, moderate left/establishment HRC, and democratic socialist Sanders on the left.
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 13:22	www.latimes.com See I've been a Jerry Brown admirer for a long time. He is a bridge builder who gets things dos would have been better than Bill but Bill was a more charismatic politician. The Clintons are sleazy yes and he knows that better than anyone given the way they treated him. His endorsement was based on pragmatism. Because Clintons do get good things done and sometimes that is the best you can get. Hillary will be better than alternatives and the GOP is a nasty lot where Hillary may be needed to stop them.
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 13:29	I hope so... As a math guy Z you understand better than I do the math of why the two party system having polarized the electorate divides the middle of the political bell curve and gives the fringe veto power. Until we junk the two party system it will be gamed and we will see more division. People need to review the warning of George Washington about the dangers of it.
chaz- 09-Jul-16, 13:58	... so, are we talking about various coalition-type parties where, for example, someone like Bernie gets together with Donald to get their "outsider" agenda in place (assuming one of t hem winning) ... then Hillary and John come together to oppose those wild ideas for more middle of the road solutions?
dmaestro 09-Jul-16, 14:23	The populace as a whole does not really swing wildly for the most part. But you would never know that depending on which party controls the Executive Branch or Congress in modern times. The two party system undermines democracy. Let there be runoffs.
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