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tat3225 15-Jul-15, 09:53 |
 Donald Trump Campaign Quotes |
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Vote for me |
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Alienating and offending vets is his campaign strategy? |
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anomalocaris 19-Jul-15, 13:55 |
If that was |
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isaiah11 19-Jul-15, 13:58 |
That's not to justify what Trump said but to put it in context. But it's a good reason why Trump would be kind of dangerous as president. A president's words have to be measured because of the power of the office. You just can't slam someone the way Trump slammed Rosie O'Donnell (and other critics) and expect an audience not to worry, especially when the audience is the entire world |
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Stinky |
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“He was a war hero because he was captured,” Trump said at the Family Leadership Summit, in Ames, Iowa. “I like people who weren’t captured.” |
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isaiah11 19-Jul-15, 14:16 |
I think there's enough scandal and/or poor decisions in McCain's congressional career that would have been a legitimate target. |
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Quotes of the Idiots It was an enormously irresponsible thing to say. But I have to wonder why Donald is attacking McCain. McCain has not declared his candidacy. What would the Donald hope to achieve in alienating people? All the same, I really do hope he wins the GOP nomination. If he subsequently wins the general election, the nation will be destroyed, and that would displease me. But I harbor hope conservatives might wake up and realize just how badly they are harming our country. How the hell did BUSH get elected TWICE? Trump is nowhere near as good as Bush was. Should he win, our nation is in for a world of hurt. |
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no Trump He does have a lot of experience building things. Maybe the next president should put him in charge of building the wall along the southern border. Once people learn that he has supported more Democrats than Republicans, once proposed a wealth tax, etc. support for him will wither. |
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Taxing Wealth Poor people don't know what to do with money anyway--they just misspend it. Give a poor person $1000 and before long they've wasted it on food or clothing or some other non essential. Give $1000 to a wealthy man and he invests it, providing jobs and creating prosperity. The best way to wage war on poverty is by shifting our focus to waging war upon the poor themselves. They are like nasty animals anyway--you feed the poor and they just breed more poor, and grow lazy and indolent, and EXPECT you to give them more food. Go to any national park and they say, "please don't feed the animals." This is a lesson we should bring home to our welfare programs. Feed a poor child, like as not he will grow up to become a poor adult. DON'T feed a poor child, and like as not he won't grow up to become a poor adult. Problem solved. |
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shiva Trump is not the only one to suggest a wealth tax. Some Democrats support a one time tax on the balances of all IRA's and 40K's. If I remember correctly, the suggestion was 10%. Another, even more extreme proposal from some Democrats is the confiscate all IRA and 401K money and roll it into Social Security. After all if some people are forced to live on only a social security check, it is only fair if all elderly had to do it. Donald Trump is a crony capitalist, using government's power of eminent domain to acquire property for his developments. I disagree wit you concerning oppressing or taxing the poor. I do believe that the constitution does not give the federal government the power to create transfer payment programs. Any government welfare should be provided at the state and local level if at all, not at the federal level. Personally, I believe private charity does a better job of helping people escape poverty than any government could ever hope to do. If a government program was successful at eliminated poverty, the people running the program would be out of a job. Their incentive is create more poor people leading to bigger budgets and more money for the bureaucrats. |
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LS In all sincerity, I need to ask if these intermittent flights of fancy, and your innuendos, are a result of drugs or drinking? You normally are a sane and friendly person. (imho). What you are implyinh here, though, is once again reprehensible. |
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Softy |
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Dependent Class That is a load of crap. Someone has been filling thy head with mush. OUT YE DEMONS OF STUPIDITY! As for Softaire's kind and thoughtful comments, I offer the following from the Oklahoma Republican Party: The Food Stamp Program, administered by the US Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 46 million people. Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the US Department of the Interior, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves." Thus ends today's lesson in iron #OKGOP www.OKGOP.com bluenationreview.com Now isn't that just special? |
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Zorro I don't mind being upbraided by him, I kind of look forward to it. He does make good points quite often. And oh, how current was that Oklahoma GOP post? July 14th of this year? Five days old? Sorry that I live out in the sticks, where I don't get to keep as current on politics as those good folks down there in San Diego. Is five days too old? |
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LS I do reserve the right to selectively be offended by them and point them out however... yours included. Your stupid and mean spirited statements have a tendency to set me off... I think because you seem like you are (or should be) "better than that". You have every advantage in logic, intelligence, reasoning, education, and experience over us, to quash almost any other argument anyone can give, about almost any topic... without resorting to trite, mean and despicable innuendo that simply isn't true. |
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Back to trump Trump: “[Mexico] are sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists.” Fact: A study conducted by Northwestern University in 2014 found that immigration has no impact on violent crime. Another study, published in Justice Quarterly, found that first generation immigrants (those born outside the U.S.) commit fewer crimes than does the population at large. Trump: “[W]e have no [border] protection and no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop, and it’s gotta stop fast.” Fact: Illegal immigration peaked in 2007, and has slowed since then. Trump could argue that the 11.1 million illegal immigrants that came into the country in 2012 is still too high, but the numbers destroy the myth that illegal immigration has exploded under President Obama. At the very worst, the border is no more porous now than it was under George W. Bush. Trump: “These are people that shouldn’t be in our country. They flow in like water.” Fact: Contrary to Trump’s claims that there is a flood of Mexican immigrants coming into the U.S., net migration between the U.S. and Mexico has been zero since 2011. Trump: “Building a wall is easy, and it can be done inexpensively. It’s not even a difficult project if you know what you’re doing.” Fact: The border between the U.S. and Mexico is about 2,000 miles long. According to Gary Jacobs, a Texas banker with many ties to Mexico and Latin America, the estimate for building and providing for 25 years of maintenance on just 700 miles of fence was $48 billion in 2007. Bloomberg says that to seal the border now would cost an additional $28 billion a year. As Todd observes, that is roughly the budget of the entire federal justice department. |
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Trump on Mexico We could all take a lesson on the art of the deal from Mr. Trump. And Mexico could conscript illegal aliens to build it, for a lot less than we could. For those of you unfamiliar with the sarcasm of Lord Shiva, the above is a decent illustration. Subtle, but not over the top. |
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Oky Politics How do right wing ideologues like the Koch Brothers convince so many poor people the interests of billionaires are identical to the interests of the poor and down trodden? That is such a neat trick. "Finance tax breaks on the rich by gutting services for the poor and some day you will find yourself magically lifted out of poverty into the billionaire class yourselves, as though you were a Beverly Hillbilly!" |
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Jesus Blesses the Wealthy Jesus explained that it is easier for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a poor man to piss through the eye of a camel. |
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anomalocaris 19-Jul-15, 22:26 |
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He was 21 years old and handsome with a full head of hair. He avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women and outrageous clubs. Most important, he had a job in his father’s real estate company and a brain bursting with money-making ideas that would make him a billionaire. “When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000,” he said in his 1987 autobiography “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” written with Tony Schwartz. (That’s about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) “I had my eye on Manhattan.” More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot’s body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations and months of torture. As Trump was preparing to take Manhattan, McCain was trying to relearn how to walk. The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief Saturday when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said of McCain. “He’s a war hero because he was captured,” Trump said sarcastically. “I like people that weren’t captured.” Trump’s comments drew scorn from his fellow Republican presidential contenders. But The Donald didn’t back down. “When I left the room, it was a total standing ovation,” he told ABC News in reference to his already infamous Iowa speech. “It was wonderful to see. Nobody was insulted.” In fact, a lot of people were insulted. |
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I can't imagine what Trump would attempt with a multi-trillion dollar budget. |
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zorroloco You should read the studies. The sample of Americans used to compare against the illegal immigrants were all people with criminal records, not the general population of the US. Illegal aliens broke the law when they crossed the boarder, broke the law again when they falsified identification papers, and again when they took jobs in the US. That does not count all the ones working for the drug cartels that have taken control over parts of the US in southern Arizona and New Mexico. 100% of illegal aliens are criminals by definition. |
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The time will come, perhaps this fall, that he will be directly confronted. He might be embraced for the audience he has attracted (one option), or (more likely) he will withdraw from the party and run as a 3rd party candidate. If he does, it will trash hopes for the GOP to win against both the Dems AND such Trump cards in this poker game. So... Trump could be asking for something (not sure what), and if he gets it, he'll abandon his shotgun of anti-establishment pellets. Or, he holds the ultimate "aces" to prevent any GOP'ers from their own full-houses. It's a powerful position with a loaded deck ...and he knows it. Who's deal is it, anyway? |
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isaiah11 20-Jul-15, 09:48 |
@L_S "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." (Matthew 5:1-12) Regarding the "camel" quote, here's what He actually said: "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24) |
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tat3225 20-Jul-15, 10:22 |
Hey, zorro John McCain isn't the only decorated veteran out there. He's the most 'famous'. Ask someone who lost their legs, or lost brain function, or were impacted in any number of ways McCain wasn't how they feel about McCain representing vets. If you ask me, it's about time somebody said something ballsy about veterans services, and included vets in their campaign platform. McCain was awarded medals for self sacrifice. I doubt he minds taking a few shots, under the circumstances. |
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tat3225 20-Jul-15, 10:46 |
Zorro- AS AN ASIDE McCain was a naval aviator. To do that, even to this day, you need to go to the U.S. naval academy, or another service academy and then request to transfer to the navy, then get commissioned in the Navy. You can also, as a civilian, graduate from any college or university and apply to Navy Officer Candidate School. The latter has a review board that meets several times a year to make decisions on applicants. So, to review, in order to become a Naval aviator it's necessary to go to Annapolis. Or, any of the other service academies (West Point, Air Force, etc) then receive approval for a request to transfer to Navy. Or, get approved by the navy OCS board. For those approved by the latter, this is just the first step. Then you need to go to OCS make it through OCS to get your commissioning. It's a big deal. You're going from civilian to commissioned officer, so it's not like they make it easy to do. So, say you've taken any of the above paths and are now in a position to request aviation. You still need the Navy to OK it. Then, if you get aviation to move on to the next step in a series of numerous steps that are required to actually get your wings. John McCain's dad was an admiral. John McCain got into Annapolis, got aviation and got his wings. It's basically ridiculous to suggest his fathers rank had no influence over this whatsoever. That said, the combat aircraft McCain flew was really dangerous. You'd think his dad would want his son doing anything BUT flying combat missions in Vietnam where so many attack aircraft and their pilots were shot down that it prompted the creation of Navy Fighter Weapons School ("top gun"). Which is basically a school that trains pilots of attack aircraft to be much better pilots and avoid costing the Navy lots of money in lost aircraft. So anyway, don't present Trump as a spoiled kid and McCain as someone who didn't also benefit from his fathers position. |
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tat3225 20-Jul-15, 10:56 |
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