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zorroloco 14-Nov-16, 08:07	Did Russia work to elect Trump? Duh! But I am sure they did it because they feel it is in Aneruca's vest interest! Did Russia Install Donald Trump As the Next U.S. President? By Caroline Baylon Newsweek From Iran to Chile, covert CIA-backed operations were responsible for installing leaders friendly to the U.S. in countries around the world in an attempt to gain supremacy over the then-Soviet Union during the Cold War. Russia seems to have taken a page from the U.S. playbook and one upped it, as it may have significantly contributed to the election of Donald Trump as the next president of the United States. The U.S. intelligence community has publicly accused the Russian government of being behind the hacking and leaking of emails involving Hillary Clinton’s election campaign by cyber espionage groups Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear on WikiLeaks and other sites this summer. James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, issued a joint statement with Department of Homeland Security on October 7 declaring that they were “confident that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of emails” and that “these thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process.” Try Newsweek for only $1.25 per week Russian President Vladimir Putin has been vocal in his support of Trump, calling him the “absolute leader in the presidential race” in a December 2015 news conference. Many of Trump’s positions—including his expressions of admiration for Putin and his July 2016 comments that he “would be looking at” recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting sanctions—have curried the favor of the Russian leader. The leaked emails caused major embarrassment to the Clinton campaign. A release of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails in July revealed that the Clinton-favoring DNC had tried to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders, a fellow Democratic contender for the nomination. The ensuing scandal caused the resignation of the DNC chair, CEO, CFO, and communications director. Another batch of emails stolen from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta in October, which included copies of Clinton’s speeches at Goldman Sachs events and evidence that she was given advance notice of a town hall question, further tarnished her image. This is consistent with Russia’s activities in cyberspace. The KGB mastered the use of propaganda during the Cold War, and its successor the FSB has become adept at using these same tactics in the digital realm. Russia regularly makes use of “cyber proxies,” or hacker groups that act with some level of state sponsorship, for its information operations. The proxy group CyberBerkut, for instance, typically claims to have hacked a site and then disseminates the stolen information (generally a mix of fact and fiction that supports the Russian narrative in Ukraine and elsewhere) via a Kremlin-backed Twitter and social media army. Using such groups means that if such activities are traced to Russia, the government—aided by the difficulty of attribution in cyberspace—can claim that they were waged by independent patriotic hackers over who they have little control, enabling it to claim “plausible deniability.” What is clear is that in a close race in which—despite losing in the electoral college, Clinton appears to have won the popular vote at 48 to 47 percent at the time of publication—the information leaked in the emails was a serious disadvantage to Clinton and may have been the deciding factor in putting Trump over the top. Russia’s role in the election of Trump is significant because, at a time in which the relationship between the U.S. and Russia has been at its most strained since the end of the Cold War over Russia’s annexation of Crimea and other issues, Moscow has helped ensure that the only candidate that will be friendly to Russia has gained office. While this may have the advantage of making the outbreak of outright hostilities between the U.S. and Russia less likely, it also means that the future U.S. president now owes a debt of gratitude to Russia, once the principal adversary of the U.S. This may make Trump even more conciliatory to a country whose illegal occupation of Crimea has drawn the widespread condemnation of the international community. It also means that Russia, buoyed by its successful use of cyber theft and propaganda in order to install its supporters in key political roles, is likely to further ramp up its use of cyber means to influence elections, both in the U.S. and around the world. Caroline Baylon is a cybersecurity researcher at the Center for Strategic Decision Research in Paris. She was previously the research associate in science, technology, and cyber security at Chatham House in London.
softaire 14-Nov-16, 10:17	"While this may have the advantage of making the outbreak of outright hostilities between the U.S. and Russia less likely...." I think that sounds like a good thing, don't you?
ace-of-aces 14-Nov-16, 10:25	This is another attempt to answer the question, " Who killed CockRobin ? " that I explained in another thread. Will Trump become " Putin's puppet ?" This is a good question. Don't forget that Trump beat all of his opponents including HRC. We don't know what is in Putin's mind. Similarly, we don't know how Trump will perform or react. We are now seeing two different types of Trump before and after the election. I believe he is showing his true colors now. Before the election he was saying, 1. Deport all illegals and build a wall. 2. Repeal Obamacare. 3. Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate HRC. Now, he is talking differently. 1. Only Illegals who are criminals will be deported. 2. Modify Obamacare. 3. Me and Clintons are very good friends. I respect her. I have more important things to do and will not waste time with that. For details of Trump's interview on CBS please follow the this link. www.cbsnews.com caution: Viagra women are waiting.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 10:27	Is this thread In the spirit of acceptance. The left is driven by conspiracy theories.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 10:37	Not really. The evidence for some Russian interference in the election was and is overwhelming. It's one of many factors that swung swing states. Can't say it is the only one. But the way people casually dismiss open Russian meddling is a mistake.
softaire 14-Nov-16, 10:45	Maybe it's a mistake but it seems to me that I remember liberals saying that Romney would be prone to starting wars and hostilities with other countries but that Obama would be accepted and liked by so many more than Romney. And, of course at that time you all were so much in favor of that. I think I remember this campaign rhetoric being that if Trump were elected, it would most certainly mean war. Now you seem to be saying that you are unhappy that tensions between the U.S. and Russia have lessened???
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 10:46	So what are we calling interference?
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 10:51	www.smh.com.au www.google.com As I have said before it's one thing to support Trump because you agree with him. It's another to be so blind as to be in denial about what Russia is doing even if you oppose HRC. They want a divided, nationalistic and isolationist West. They and China want to discredit democracy and freedoms to justify their own systems.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 10:55	I am voting for Putin in 2020
zorroloco 14-Nov-16, 11:16	Anom You voted Putin in 2016.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 11:39	Nobody wants war with Russia 🇷🇺. However the Russians naturally want to expand their influence. The problem is Putin is more interested in expansion and less in democracy. We are entering a new phase where we have to accept great powers like Russia and China have spheres of influence for practical reasons but we do not want to see democracies disappear. We saw famously how Bush and Putin parted ways years after Bush supposedly looked into Putin's soul. Obama tried and failed. Putin is a master KBG agent and that won't change. Doesn't mean WW3 it means western values need protection.
softaire 14-Nov-16, 12:29	I don't seem to see how you can think Trump would be the favorite choice for Putin. Trump will heal this country and it will become very much less divided nationally than with Hillary as President. Trump will rebuild our military whereas Hillary would not have done so. Trump will protect our strategic assets around the world. Trump will probably halt Iran and it's aggressive quest for nukes. Trump has already become the best ally of Israel and will move our Embassy to Jerusalem. Trump will most likely strengthen the NATO alliance by providing missile defense shields. It's unclear what he will do for sure, but I can't think of anything Trump will do that will benefit Russia, whereas Hillary would do nothing, and in fact, sold them a lot of our uranium.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 12:44	Softy, it just sounds good. Trump and Putin are brothers.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 13:00	Softaire you are detached. Trump cannot heal the country--he was opposed by a majority of voters and his overall agenda is not popular. Accepting the results of our peculiar system of election does not mean healing. It's going to get worse not better because of demographics. Trump can build up the military but it already takes about 16% of the budget. He can't do anything about Iran except talk because that was a multi national pact and Russia will not go any further with their quasi ally Iran. He can't invade because Iran is too well fortified and the UN Russia and China would support Iran. The international community rejects having primary embassies in Jerusalem which is why even Bush did not do it; it undermines what little leverage we have with Israel. Who is going to pay for these NATO missile shields? Experts totally disagree with you for good reasons and it's clear why Russia would think they would benefit by Trump. And not just Trump but their demonstrated ability to influence elections.
softaire 14-Nov-16, 13:05	How is it clear that Russia thinks they will benefit by Trump? Sorry... guess I missed that. Wikileaks says it wasn't Russia that got them the emails. It could have been China, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, ISIS or any number of individuals... they all got what was on her those computers.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 13:05	DM Thats a terrible outlook. It could get better if people would just chill and give it a chance. Put in some effort. If Hillary had won it was basically the same number of people, so would it get worse that way too?
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 13:33	www.politicususa.com It's just modern politics in a divided country and dangerous world. Trump won among older whites. He lost the rest of the country; and the popular vote. I'm not saying Trump won't try. I'm a realist and I study politics in depth. I hope we make it without civil violence.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 13:39	Wikileaks didn't have to get them directly from the Russian government. The Russians are not that stupid. They know how to cover tracks. And these Wikileaks ones are the emails hacked from Podesta by a Ukrainian group associated with Russia. Not those on her server. You are getting confused Softaire.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 14:04	Without civil violence? We have already had civil violence. I just hope Trump restores some sort of order. Violent criminals need to be arrested or killed if necessary. Cities cant function with looting and burning down businesses.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 14:54	M For the most part protests are peaceful. Riots are not helpful. It is naive to think the Trump can bring healing to the country. He makes some who were unhappy happy but he was not elected by a majority of the people and now he has even selected a white supremacist into a key role. No matter what he does a large number will be unhappy. There is not going to be any honeymoon for Trump and he can't be a healer. Let me explain why: Trump was crushed among young voters who tend to be the bulk of protesters. www.bloomberg.com. So we not only have a minority of voters vetoing the wishes of a popular majority across the whole country but we have an increasingly shrinking aging population imposing their will on the young against their wishes; and they know and resent it. A society that does that is in for big trouble. It's legal yes and we should remain civil but it's not democracy and it is morally wrong. Trump can't fix that. Those out of touch with the mood in urban America have no idea how much they are sitting on a cork that will blow someday.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 14:58	DM, he did not appoint a white supremacist. Lets dont even start down that road. If most iberals have your attitude then I guess its hopeless. The only good thing is most liberals dont have guns so Im cool with the civil war you speak of.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 15:02	DM, reading your stuff, I really hope most dont think like you. You have spoke of war and crap like that for years. WHy I dont get it? We are all Americans, the cork will blow to what end? No one has done a thing to anyone. It was an election. I mean when you have people protesting waving Mexican flags in American saying not my president, they are correct. Theirs is in Mexico. Outside of your metro areas no one thinks this way.
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 15:13	m.huffpost.com www.google.com www.google.com Anom--Only because it appears that is what Trump did. I'm not making it up. However for the sake of discussion let's say he isn't as bad as people think. This situation is exactly why there will be no healing or honeymoon. Appointing people who have this reputation is not the way to go.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 15:21	DM I predict nothing he does will be good enough. The hate is too thick www.breitbart.com
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 15:30	I don't think a civil war or insurrection will help anyone. Nothing personal. I am explaining why this election is not going to heal anything. I never advocate being on the wrong side of history and when in doubt I say best to defer to the majority of voters the generation coming into power. But this is a discussion not a rant. To build understanding of views. Those of us in heavily urban areas are a world apart from smaller town/rural voters. Trump could not be elected dog catcher in my neighborhood. www.google.com
ace-of-aces 14-Nov-16, 15:48	Rural & smalltown versus Urban voters Rural and small-town working-class white voters, who already tended to vote Republican, propelled Trump. Urban areas, where black and Hispanic voters are concentrated along with college-educated voters, already leaned toward the Democrats, but Clinton did not get the turnout from these groups that she needed. For instance, black voters did not show up in the same numbers they did for Barack Obama, the first black president, in 2008 and 2012. Trump beat Clinton by 26 percentage points among voters who live in non-metropolitan areas, while Clinton bested Trump by about 7 percentage points in urban areas, according to the nationwide Reuters/Ipsos national Election Day poll. ---------------- Hard working voters live in rural and small town and they will vote for Trump, where as blacks on welfare and Latinos, some of them illegals live in urban areas. Hard working Americans do not need HRC's handouts welfare but the opposite is true of blacks who are mostly on welfare and Latinos who are sympathetic to illegals will vote for HRC. This explains the voting pattern.
lord_shiva 14-Nov-16, 16:06	California Cannabis "Trump will heal this country and it will become very much less divided nationally than with Hillary as President." Don't get a jump on the gun, Softaire! The new law doesn't take effect just yet. Will Trump lay his blessed hands on America's forehead and shout, "begone ye demons of discord?" Is that how America is going to get healed? We bust up immigrant families, ban despised Muslims, and all America will join hands, sing Kumbaya, and grab pussy?
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 16:08	White Power! ......
dmaestro 14-Nov-16, 16:20	Stereotypes. Hard working whites vs blacks on welfare, illegals. Not exactly accurate.
anomalocaris 14-Nov-16, 16:22	Not all blacks are on welfare, some are in prison.
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