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chuckventimiglia 01-Aug-05, 07:27	Is the US's immigration policy in need...... of change? Will we eventually have to face the fact that our immigration and border policy will eventually lead to disasterous consequences here in the US? I think the recent bombings in London has has been the result, in part, to the UK's very lax and permissive immigration policies. I have been reading where those policies are under review and will predict that they will change. This is a problem in all western European countries and it results in a direct threat to the US. Why? There is no visa requirements for citizenry to travel from those countries to the US. Therefore anyone can hop on a plane and enter the US regardless of their intentions. Will the US eventually require visas from all countries? I believe this will become a necessity in order to have some control over who enters the US.
daverundle 10-Oct-05, 09:14	immigration The people involved in the London bombings were born and bread in the UK (sadly) the planners were not. We have in the UK a multiculteral society which generally coexist very well. The problem now is we are getting a lot of disaffected young muslims who are easy meat for the activists. You are probably right that the US (and Britain) will tighten their immigration controls unfortunately in both cases it is stable door after the horse etc the people who will be responsible for the next terrorist atrocity are probably already in the country and have been for many years. What the governments of the the USA and Britain should be doing is asking why a stranger will climb on a bus and detonate a bomb killing people they do not know and have never met. Brainwashing is the answer we generally get but i think this simplifies things to much. We need to ask the question why? Then we need to address the root causes of terrorism poverty, disenfranchised people, Israel. The Muslim world believe strongly that they have been more sinned against than sinned. Until we convince them otherwise we will all have to keep dodging the bombs!
chuckventimiglia 10-Oct-05, 09:35	The US has a much bigger problem with..... illegal immigration than does the UK. Why? We have about 4000 miles of border. Our southern border is a funnel for anyone and everyone to enter from anywhere in the world. Our northern border is no better. Canada's very lax immigration policy allows our [US] border to be easily breached. For now I can care less why people do what they do. First we need to control the influx of illegals. After that is under control then we can worry about the WHY. In the US we also have a very diversified culture of different ethnic minorities. Most of our people are law abiding but we have our own "home grown nuts".
coyotefan 10-Oct-05, 15:47	IMHO There is a solution to the immigration problem from the south. The reason they come to the US is for jobs and money. Every time we deport them they just come back. We need to stop the jobs. We need to punish the employers of the illegals. If it is Wal-mart close the entire company down for a week.....for a first offense....no appeals. If it is a mom and pop landscaping company, confiscate their trucks and equiptment. Make the punishment so severe that it is not worth the risk.
chuckventimiglia 10-Oct-05, 16:02	The problem with the illegals is jobs!! The real problem is the corrupt governments they come from. Sometimes it seems the US has a duty to allow anyone in here for humain reasons. We will become no better than the corrupt Mexican and Central American govts. That is the real problem. We cannot be the employer for everyone and anyone that wants to enter. Maybe if we can stop the flow the people will get rid of their real problem, their own governments. Vicente Fox is a prime example of a crooked politician who lines his pockets first and thinks nothing of his people. Mexico will always have legions of poor trying toget here no matter what or how we do it. We still need to try to stop or just slow down the flow.
daverundle 11-Oct-05, 03:21	illegals Coyotefan is right most of the illegals in the UK are bought in by unsrupulous people who promise them pavements paved with gold they end up involved in prostitution, or picking cockles on a dangerous beach 60p an hour (not sure what that is in $ & cents). Then when the tide comes in 16 of them were drowned which is what happened recently. The owners of the business and the gangmaster responsible have just been jailed (not for lon enough in my view). Poor people will always want to go somewhere to earn the money to feed their families (just as i would) this makes them easy prey for the traffickers! But as you say Chuck some of it is down to dishonest politicians who misuse the aid money given to their governments to help their people. Sadly this is not helped by the politicians being given the money in cash, in Spain at the moment the Russian mafia are buying whole villages with aid $'s provided to help them improve their country!!
leo_london 11-Oct-05, 06:51	Immigration.. Dave is correct. There were dawn raids this morning, police arrested 18 people at various addresses for involvement in " people-trafficking ". Thats just the tip of the iceberg, its big business with billions to be made...and now much safer, from the criminal's point of view, than drug smuggling.
chuckventimiglia 11-Oct-05, 06:52	A lot of illegals coming over from.... Mexico are brought over in groups by people called Coyotes [I hope that Coyotefan is not one of them  ) ] They are paid big $$ to do this. Anyhow, the poor will always be with us in this world. We can never eliminate poor people. I will start a thread today called the "POOR". I will tell you a true story about my encounter with the POOR. I would like to hear if anyone can top that.

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