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chuckventimiglia
11-Oct-05, 08:45

What is POOR??
I have seen many people talking about the
Poor. Especially people in the US and other
developed western countries. I have always
wondered if they really know what being Poor
really was?

We tend to define being poor as having little
money which is usually relative to the
country where one is living. Here in the US
to be considered poor a family of 4 has to
make less than $28K/year. In other countries
that would be considered living like royalty.

So what is poor?

In 1973 I was a Captain in the Air Force. My
job was EOD. Explosive Ordnance Disposal!!
The bomb squad!! What ever you want to call
it my job was to either keep things from blowing
up or blowing up things whatever the mood of
the day. I went to 2 years of munitions and EOD
training beginning in 1965 prior to be turned loose
in 1967.  

In 1973 I was in [country un-named]. I was there in
support of our bombing of Cambodia and Vietnam.
I was in charge of a range. Whenever our planes returned
with ordnance that could not be dropped or
was a problem of sorts they would try to drop
on the range. The range was also where we
disposed of ordnance that was captured, defective
etc etc.

When I first got there I surveyed my responsibility
and noticed people living on the range. They
lived in huts made from our refuse. Our wood,
cardboard etc. They were affectionatly called "range rats."
I thought they were poor. They got $$ by picking up the
scrap metal that was left over from our blowing up piles
of bombs and munitions etc.

I remember quite well a pile of napalm tanks
that we piled and were to burn. We set that stack
to burning and could only get to within 100 yds
or so because the heat generated was so intense.
I saw whole families of these "range rats" go up
to that pile of napalm with long poles and hooks
to pull out of that stack the aluminum "hardbacks"
that each naplam tank had. This was valuable to these
poor people. Again being poor is only about money, no.
Read on!!

After first arriving I was genuinely concerned about
these people getting hurt during my blowing things
up.

I had a [unamed country] Colonel assigned to me as my
liason and also to act as an interpreter.

After first arriving we had a typical blow of about
20K lbs of scrap bombs etc. I noticed the
people that lived on the range about 100 yds or so
from my blow hole hiding in the tall grass. I
would not ask that Colonel to tell those people
to get further back. I have seen metal from one of our blows
go over 3 miles, so 100 yds behind grass is not good.
We continued our work preparing for the detonation. After we
completed our preparation and evacuated back I again noticed
those people too close to the blow hole. Why I wouldn't
ask that Colonel to do anything because I was told
by my predecessers that those people would be shot
if I complained too much. I did not look to see where they were.
Did not know if any of them got hurt. I would not ask
that Colonel to do anything.

Now that to me is POOR!! Your life is worth nothing
that is the essence of being poor in some places in the
world today. Even though I am talking about 30+
years ago I am sure there is much poverty like that
today.
daverundle
22-Oct-05, 05:08

poor
Is also millions of people dying of aids because the large drug companies will not licence drug companies in third world countries to produce the medicine at a fraction of the cost.

You are also right about the cost of human life when a government send tanks into a square to kill unarmed people protesting. Or 3 million people dead in the killing fields of Cambodia because Pol Pot decided that they were communist/anti government insurgents!

Or the Union Carbide plant at Bopal which was obviously unsafe and is continuing to poison generation after generation! Or a nuclear power station blowing up and still killing people many years after it happened. Sadly 30+ yrs after your experience Chuck the value of a life does not seem to have increased if anything it has become cheaper.
chuckventimiglia
22-Oct-05, 06:37

Yes, the value of human life has......
gotten cheaper because there are so many more
humans than 30 years ago.

Third world countries seem to know a lot about
having kids than they know about taking
care of what they already have.

I will use Mexico as an example. It is a country
rich with oil, has beautiful beaches and a
very large tourist income but yet the
government is so corrupt that the biggest
source of revenue is the money that illegal
Mexican aliens send back to Mexico from the
money they earn in the US.

There seems to be something wrong with
that scenario.
anomalocaris
22-Oct-05, 15:04

BOMB MEXICO!!!
can i say that here?
chuckventimiglia
22-Oct-05, 15:09

I wish we could bomb Mexico!!
The problem is that if we bombed it we
would then be responsible for fixing it up
to a condition better than it was before.



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