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coyotefan
27-Oct-05, 16:51

Weak President
Bushie cannot even get his Supreme court choice through....What does that say when he has the majority in both houses?
wingetj
27-Oct-05, 20:20

It says
that the right wing of the republican party (the Christian right) has more control over the
White House than we might have believed. It was funny to watch the democrats just sit back
and watch while this nominee and the White House self destructed.

Here are a couple of thoughts:

1- Bush has said that he doesn't have a "litmus test" for judges. I guess that means that only
evangelical christians who are pro-life are the only people who are qualified to be a supreme
court justice. OR, he has a litmus test.

2- The American people are going to lose in this. Bush can only gain the support of his base if
he nominates an ultra-conservative idealogue who will legislate from the bench. If he does
that, the nominee will be filibustered by the left. If he doesn't, the right won't confirm him/
her. I hope Sandra Day O'Conner is comfortable in her seat because she is going to be there
for a long time (Not that she's a bad thing, but she does want to retire, so we should try to
compromise and let it happen). If the right could agree on a moderate nominee like O'Conner,
everyone would be happy and the people would win; however, compromise is not high on
Bush's list of priorities.

3- With all the scandal in the White House and the Republican party, I don't believe that Bush
has the "political capital" to get an ultra-conservative nominee through a democratic filibuster.
Maybe he did right after the election, but he doesn't now.

That's my two cents. The American people are going to lose from this need for extremism.

Jeff
chuckventimiglia
28-Oct-05, 08:37

I agree with both of you!!
The sad part is that this does no good
for the American people.

This is not an isolated instance. This
has been going on in many of the past
admins but it has come to a head and
boiling point in this administration.

Hopefully in the next election we get 2
candidates that are self admitted atheists.

Then and only then will all this religious
BS be taken out of politics as far as
Presidents go.

This will never happen though because the
American people led by Pat Robertson,
Jerry Falwell, J. Jackson and the rest will
come out before the election and try to
get the American people to boycott the
election process.  

I am sick of all the time wasted on this
religious nonsense in our American political
system.

I am not anti-religion but I think it has
played too big a part in our political system.

BTW, I consider myself a devout atheist but
I defend the right for people to practice
any religion. I just do not want it shoved
down our throat.

I am all for displaying the 10 Commandments
because to me that is not a religious symbol
but merely a statement of a good way to
practice life. The use of the word god in the
commandments is no big deal for me.

The displaying of religious symbols, religious
holidays etc. I am fine with that in fact,
I do not understand why people fight it. Let
it be!! For the most part they are nothing more
than an expression of "good cheer". Which even
atheists like me appreciate.
daverundle
31-Oct-05, 00:27

weak president
In any political system that is dependant on millions of $ (or indeed £) to get elected vested interest are bound to have a major influence. It is my understanding that most of G W's finanacial clout in both elections came from the religeous right & oil companies.

Unfortunately compromise is a word unknown to any extreme right (or left) wing group the old adage you sup with the devil you pay the price seems to be true here.

It is going to be very difficult for Bush to be taken seriously when he talks about corrupt foreign governments given what is happening in the Whitehouse at the moment. I think you are right in that the American people will lose in all this in the short term, it will also however have an impact long term for the rest of the world. America needs to understand how difficult it is to be a world leader, they seem willing to try but have yet to grasp all the intricacies involved.

Just a view from the other side of the pond.
chuckventimiglia
31-Oct-05, 06:39

The thought here is that Bush will.....
"redefine" his Presidency in the coming months.
By "redefine" I believe he will assign some new
faces as his close advisors. I think Carl Rove
will be dropped of re-assigned [if he is not indicted].

The only person that is close to him now that
is free of some sort of scandal is C. Rice.

For sure his Presidency looks to be tainted
at best. It will all depend on the eventual
outcome in Iraq.

I believe things are not going well in Iraq. I
think we should step up training of the
Iraqis and set a deadline for them to defend
themselves.

Anyhow, with Iraq and the hurricanes the US
is blowing hundreds of billions.

We will see how it all turns out.

BTW, you guys in the UK have a real problem
with that idiot from Scotland. I think he did
take bribes from Saddam and I believe the
UK should probe that and if he did indeed take
bribes he should be tried by you guys and imprisoned.

I consider that nothing short of treason. I do
not know how you guys view it.
daverundle
31-Oct-05, 07:07

You mean gorgeous george?
The man is odious and almost certainly a crook at the very least the parlimentary standards commission should be investigating what he has done, if they do i do not think it will be long before the police get involved.

Most of us in the UK are probably hoping that your special prosecutor will bring charges & that will force our lot to do something as well!

By the way i read in the paper this morning that Scotter Libbey's lawyer says their defence is going to be based on loss of memeory!???? If i was Scooter i would get me a new lawyer!!!!!
chuckventimiglia
31-Oct-05, 07:55

What I do not understand is how.....
the US can bring charges against him. I can see
if he stole something here or was a murderer but
tellings lies to our Congress? I never did
understand why he, a foreign national, needs
to tell the truth here in the US.

I would think the UK has jurisdiction because he
is a UK citizen and the UK has invested a lot
in the Iraq thing. If he was taking bribes from
Saddam then he is tresonous against the UK.

Am I wrong?
daverundle
01-Nov-05, 03:34

are you wrong?
I don't think so but before we could do anything we would need to see the evidence against which your senate committee says they have. Your also claimed they would be inditing him so who knows?

What may make it more difficult for him (good) & easier for the authorities here is that the UN now say they have p roof money was transferred to a/c's held in his wife's name ( now his ex wife) so maybe the noose is beginning to tighten! Let's hope so!
daverundle
06-Nov-05, 04:33

gorgeous george
It appears that the SFO (serious fraud office) are looking into the idiot from scotlands affairs!!
chuckventimiglia
06-Nov-05, 05:53

I have sen that guy just a couple times....
on our TV and he seriously makes me gag to listen
to him talk. I hope they lock him up and throw
the key away.



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