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captaingoodvibes 02-Jan-08, 18:56	not forgetting ocean acidification where the "science" and causal links with carbon sequestration are far more linear/understood.
zorroloco 02-Jan-08, 19:40	tlr threats! i place little value on such declarations. you enjoy your soapbox too much to give it up.
theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 19:43	<<you enjoy your soapbox too much to give it up.>> calling the "kettle black" there are we not?
theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 19:47	btw, I made no threats..........just a simple statement of fact..........I only renewed my membership at the last momemt just about two weeks ago............I had 2 hours left on the membership..........not overly sure why I thought I needed to stay here............I was fine staying away from these threads..........business will pick up soon ( I hope) and I will gradually dismiss myself as before..........though I will not renew next year...........for one I just cut up all my credit cards.......and will have them all paid off by the end of this year. No more credit for me.......cash on the barrel head from here on out.
zorroloco 02-Jan-08, 19:55	<<you enjoy your soapbox too much to give it up.>> calling the "kettle black" there are we not? oh absolutely! that is why i am here! but then, i did not threaten to leave because people disagree with me : )
theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 20:00	again, no threats.......how is that a threat? just a simple declaration of my feelings towards staying here past my membership time next year. do you ever really read what is written, or do you just make your assumptions based off your own bias? seeing as i paid for the privilege of staying here for the next year, then I will take advantage when i feel the need........but I will not allow personal attacks in this club.......I run it as I see fit, not as you or markallen think I should run it.
zorroloco 02-Jan-08, 20:03	huh? i never told you how to run your club. i think locking the other thread was unnecessary, but i never told you not to do so. when have i tried to tell you how to run your club? and you did threaten to leave next year...but if you want to think about it as a promise rather than a threat, feel free.
theloneranger 02-Jan-08, 20:17	well again, I did not even promise anything..........I made a simple statement, no threats nor any promises...........why do you insist on twisting everything I say? I may be over stretching when I included you in the 'how to run my club' remark...........but it does apply to the person from down under..............who purposefully attempted to cause a problem and openly admitted it........so thread locked.........so what you think about it has absolutely no bearing at this time.......it was my decision to make and I made it............ shame too, because we actually agreed upon something.
saintinsanity 03-Jan-08, 01:23	ha ha Jeff, those are some nice numbers you posted. But I think all those deaths from sedentary lifestyles are misleading. How many of those lazy bastards were smoking pot? Yep, that's right. Pot makes a lot of people sedentary. Could contribute to their deaths. I'm just saying.
zorroloco 03-Jan-08, 07:10	bertrand russell said "one must care about a world one will never see."
musket33r 03-Jan-08, 14:30	tlr I am aware that global warming talks in this thread are turning out to be redundant in favour of talks about Pot. (which i think is a drug that should be left in Columbia) But have you seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow? It may be a movie but its also a statement. It follows basis of Global warming plunging the world into an Ice age as too much cold water disrupts warm water currents. This isn't Hollywood drama, this is science. The previous Ice Age was caused by this phenomena.
theloneranger 03-Jan-08, 15:53	musket33r I agree wholeheartedly with the fact that the 'pot' needs to stay in Colombia and where ever else it grows............somehow the 'addicts' on this site always figure a way to inject into each topic........ However, I do not totally agree with your assessment of the movie you mentioned. Hollywood would love for us to accept the fact that they actually got something right, yet they rarely do. They rewrite history and science to benefit and support their wacky ideas. But, you raise a very interesting point: That being that an influx of clod water mixed with the warm tropic waters would cause an 'ice age'. I see no problem with that at all..........if you go back a reread anything I written on this topic I never ever suggested that there is not a change in climate. That is a given.......man's influence at the level that the whack jobs want us to believe however is overstated. We have very little influence on the grand scale.............there is so many other influences that we have actually no control over that is ridiculous to suggest that if drive smaller cars using less gas would change and or revert any climate change on a global scale. The Sun is the #1 influence on our climate, our position to the Sun is the #2 influence. Volcanic activity also being one of the major factors for climate change. Climate change is not new, and has always and will always be a part of reality. That has been my point along and that man is basically along for the ride. I have never advocated irresponsible living and because I do buy into the junk science I am accused of wanting to 'rape' the world. I have made no accusations to those who by into this garbage, yet because I do not ascribe to the same thinking I am automatically condemning the world to doom. Seems a little hysterical if you ask me. I question the motives behind these accusations. Common sense these days seems to be forgotten in favor for the hysterics of Hollywood, and politicians that would exhort their power and control over the masses.
zorroloco 03-Jan-08, 16:31	personal attacks? you claim to dislike personal attacks? yet: "somehow the 'addicts' on this site always figure a way to inject into each topic" "man's influence at the level that the whack jobs want us to believe however is overstated." just seems a bit hypocritical to me... as far as, "I question the motives behind these accusations." i have made my motives crystal clear. although I cannot prove man's effect on the global environment, there seems to be enough doubt and circumstantial evidence to at least make it seem possible. i gain no profit from my beliefs. i simply believe in erring on the side of saving something for future generations. one might, on the other hand, question the motives of someone who seems to use, "there is no conclusive proof" to decide that we are absolutely not causing irreparable harm to our planet and to future generations ability to survive on it.
theloneranger 03-Jan-08, 16:46	I see no personal attacks on what I said..........some have personally admitted to there desires to make 'pot' legal and the fact that they smoke daily........that is an addict........saying that they are not is just plain denial. As for the whack jobs.......anyone who believes some of the wacky theories purported by Hollywood would most definitely qualify for being classed a whack job. And anyone who does not agree with the award winning self promoting jeffheimen is always classified as a hypocrite. I do not believe that we can possibly ever do irreparable damage to our planet, we do not have that much power, yet we could easily wipe out life as we know it, (that is mankind) the earth would continue on as it always has. See jeff, I do not think that I am as important as you think yourself to be. I believe that there are a lot bigger things in this world of ours then myself..........a concept I know you have a difficult time putting your finite brain around. As for destroying life as we know it, this has all been foretold and fortunately we have been given the blueprint. Being a math teacher as you say you are, I would think the blueprint of the future would be something of interest to you. Hate to spoil the end for you, but the good guys win.
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