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tomasv 06-Mar-08, 03:12 |
 here's what I'm thinking |
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rowdyrooks 06-Mar-08, 11:34 |
More thoughts After reading all the other posts,and going through all the possible moves and ideas,it would still seem to me that we are in a drawish position ,and trying to "make" something happen could result in disaster against such an opponent. Anyways it seems the whole dilemma now is either Nxe5 or dxe5,,,,my vote goes to Nxe5,yes that's right!,,,,,still looks drawish huh? Harry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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Good point, Harry, I admit that these other moves we are considering may not turn out to be much less drawish than your fxe5, but we are considering them because they seem to promise just a bit more and that's worth a try, whatever/whoever the opponent. We are definitely not "trying to make something happen" at all costs, but don't you think "not trying" may prove just as disastrous against such an opponent? @ tomasv: It seems to me that we have gxh6 to respond to h6 and/or h5, so I don't see how that would "effectively close the king side for good" at all. Now if you play Rh3 (without h4) you can indeed close the king side, but then what? Meanwhile, our "very active bishop and knight" should remain where they are, and be in fact completely harmless to black. I'm not so sure about your hopes on a rook and queen trade on the a-file: I fail to see how it could be forced, and if it can't we don't have anything against black in this line. After 29. Nxe5 Qa8 we could aim for h4/h5. There's no immediate threat towards d4 just now, so what will black do if we play 30. h4, considering we have gxh6 to respond to h6/h5? Another idea, what will black do if we wait on the h-file and play 30. Qe3 rightaway? I think g6 may be in trouble, or at least, that black won't have time to use its resources against "our only weakness" to prevent us from using ours "to prepare a break through black's ranks". |
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Really not sure what happens next... |
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tomasv 12-Mar-08, 03:48 |
shall we make a move |
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Good question, but ... I've counted the "votes" so far: two for each move, 29. fxe5 (tjbuege, rowdyrooks), 29. dxe5 (tomasv, coupigwe), 29. Nxe5 (qistnix, hjemcall), and actually a third one for the last move, when Harry reconsidered his first choice and chose 29. Nxe5 instead. Is that sufficient, or should we hear some more people? Secondly, its' Bart (b123) and Bob (omacron2) who are "playing" the game, but they may not always be there or have time. At the moment Bob's vacation flag 's been set (for 20 days). Consequently, we're bound to have some delays from time to time. In such cases it would be best if more teammates added their two (and more) cents as well. So c'mon everybody! |
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Nxe5 |
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Qa8 I guess we should be attentive not letting Rybka infiltrate with her queen to the 3rd or 4th rank. It would be dangerous for our weak pawns all on the 4th rank. What do you guys think? |
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rowdyrooks 22-Mar-08, 11:49 |
I agree I propose..............Re3 |
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Qe3 still protects the 3rd rank so the black can't play Qa3. At least not immediately. Another point why I should play Qe3 is to prevent being chased away by the black rook (Ra1 Our b4 pawn is weak and quite "attackable". What are yours ideas? |
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It depends... If she only hopes the draw then Qe3 won't prevent her from playing Qa3.. With Re3 we don't have this problem, but there is still the possiblity to be chased by Ra1... but then Qd2 ? |
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Any other ideas? If not Re3 will be played soon! |
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tomasv 27-Mar-08, 14:49 |
30. h4 We could prevent 30. ... Qa3 with 30. Re3 and after Ra1 31. Bb1 h5 there is an interesting continuation 32. ... Bc8 33. Nxc6! Rxb1 34. Ne7+! Kf8 35. Nxg6+ fxg6 36. Qxb1 Bxd4 which I'd be eager to play against a human opponent in a hope he/she will make a blunder, but against a computer there's no hope of that p.s. Wouldn't it be nice to have our knight on d4 to be able to play Bb3 and not having to worry about the weak pawn? |
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30. h4 |
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tomasv 29-Mar-08, 05:45 |
lets see what would happen after 30. h4 Qa3 31. Qe3 Qxb4? both 32. ... gxf5? and 32. ... exf5? are out of question since after 33. Nxf7 white wins easily (in 33. ... Kxf7? white mates, as black has no defence against the power on the now-opened e-file, and after 33. ... Bc8 34. Nh6+ Kf8 35. Nxf5! the rest is a piece of cake) after 32. ... Qa3 (imo the best reply) 33. f6 Qxe3 34. fxe3 Bf8 black has two useless bishops against a brilliantly places knight and not even 30 depth can save Rybka there is also the option of 32. Nxf7 Bc8 33. Ne5 Ra3 34. Bd3 with Nxc6 but is not as good as 32. f5 |
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Bob, also mentioned "30...Ra1 with the conditional 31.Qd2 [best move] Bxe5 32.fxe5 Qa2" I guess we go for Qd2? Any comments on that? |
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tomasv 11-Apr-08, 15:13 |
31. Qd2 |
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tjbuege 11-Apr-08, 22:47 |
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31. Qd2, okay with me @Tim: I'm not sure we are more on the defensive now. I think black has to keep us as busy as he can, to prevent us from 'doing things' on his king side. That's HIS best defence, undoubtedly, but I don't think it means that things are starting to look more favourable for him. It depends of course on what you call 'favourable'. Is it 'being able to keep the balance' or 'getting an edge'? The first may be true, the second is, in my opinion, too 'optimistic' (for black). Naturally, we might want to ask ourselves just how 'favourable' things have been for us in the course of the game, or how justified OUR optimism has been. Quite probably, the balance has never been broken ... |
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After Qd2 At first glimp I would play fxe5... Opening the f file, later followed by h5 with an attack at h7 or g6 |
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Okay |
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tomasv 06-May-08, 14:03 |
32. fxe5 |
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32. fxe5 Qa2 giving us the followind diagram: I think Qc3 and Bd3 are our candidate moves. |
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Why draw ? white squares, we should fight more, shouldn't we ? However I don't see anything better than Qc3.. |
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Draw or play? |
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Ok |
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Qa3 Trading queens or Re3 or Qd2? Or shall we offer a draw? |
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Getting more.. case... |
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