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walkingman
28-Nov-07, 19:51

Dinosaurs in the Bible?
Almost certainly so.

Check out the following

Job 40
"15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a CEDAR: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about."

Also, check out the further description given in chapter 41. There are not many beasts of which one could say, "he moveth his tail like a CEDAR"!

Blessings

Paul
vanir
12-Jun-08, 15:39

Dinosaurs in the Bible?
I don't know...maybe. It could've been an analogy, or a reference to another great beast.
walkingman
12-Jun-08, 17:49

There are no Biblical reasons to suggest otherwise.
Sounds like passage is talking about a great beast that the hearers would have been familiar with. If not a dinosaur, what else do you think it could be?

Blessings

Paul
vanir
13-Jun-08, 20:31

Lions are great.
In Daniel 6, aka the story of Daniel and the Lion's Den, it has several references that would imply that the lion is a beast both feared and respected as a great creature. (I mean 'great' in the sense that it is big and mighty, not necessarily good.)

Daniel 6:7 NIV
"The royal administrators...have all agreed that the king should issue an edict and enforce the decree that anyone who prays to any god or man during the next thirty days, except to you, O king, shall be thrown into the lions den."

Daniel 6:23
"The king was overjoyed and gave orders to lift Daniel out of the den. And when Daniel lifted from the den, no wound was found on him, because he had trusted in his God."

Daniel 6:27
"He rescues and he saves; he performs signs and wonders in the heavens and on the earth. He has saved Daniel from the power of the lions."

All of these verses imply that the lion is a great and fearsome beast, and that it is a miracle if you escape their grasp. ALSO, If your NIV is the same as mine, turn to Job 40:15. After the word 'behemoth', their is a tiny 'a'. If you then proceed to look at the bottom of the page, you will find that it also has a tiny 'a', after which it says "Possibly the hippopotamus or the elephant." Both of these were massive creatures, and in Bible times, when men were much shorter than they are now, they would have seemed even huger, if at all possible. For another thing, dinosaurs were most likely extinct before Job's time, where people raised flocks of animals, and walked openly on the earth.
walkingman
14-Jun-08, 11:12

Yes lions are great.
So are hippos and elephants. None however "moveth his tail like a CEDAR".

The world according to the Bible is only 6000 years old from the creation of Adam and Eve until today. Adam named all the animals during the first creation week during which God made "heaven and earth, the sea, and ALL that in them is". Man and dinosaurs were contemporary according to this Biblical record.

Biblically speaking, there is every reason to believe that "behemoth" is what we would call today the "dinosaur".

"wink"

Blessings

Paul
vanir
14-Jun-08, 12:00

Like a cedar.
I am not saying that the 'behemoth' is NOT a dinosaur, I am merely pointing out that it is not necessarily a dinosaur.

And BTW, it could mean that the behemoth moved his tail a graceful as a cedar, or something similar.

BTW, have you taken a good look at a lion's tail? Long and narrow and strong, until the end, where it turns into a ball of fur resembling the top of a tree. "Like a cedar' is a simile, and could've been meant in many ways.
fiver
19-Jan-09, 10:07

Geology and Genesis
I read a rather fanciful book once, "Geology and Genesis", by the Chinese preacher Watchman Nee. It was totally unlike his more widely known books, such as "What shall this man do?" and others. I suspect it wasnt really written by Nee, the quality was poor and the style didnt come close to Nee.

ANYWAY, this book "taught" that there was an entire creation story in Genesis 1:1, that dinosaurs populated this world, that God destroyed them because geologic evidence "proved" they were ferocious, evil, and ate each other. Shades of Jurassic Park. I started laughing by the second chapter (I dont know why, but it was the funniest thing I've ever read I think).
That a whole creation, at least thousands of years, a judgment of "sin" (?) and a destruction of the creation could be contained in the first verse of the bible struck me as ridiculous, but I dont know. Tiny brains have big ideas.

But I have a serious question about "carbon dating", which I understand is used to measure the age of objects. My question is simple. Since matter is neither created nor destroyed, how can a measurement of ANYTHINGS age (such as dinosaur bones) be determined by a physical measurement? I mean, the carbon-14 was assimilated into the bones, it wasnt created in the bones. I must be missing something, but it seems to me that actually dating something by such a physical measurement would always show its age to be that of the universe, not when something was born or died.

Can someone help me understand what I am missing? I know I must be ignorant, because carbon dating always fixes a certain age to objects, I just dont understand the science behind the tests I guess.

Mike
walkingman
19-Jan-09, 21:04

Don't sweat the science.
What you don't know about science is not of any consequence. Don't sweat it. This is a
BIBLE database club, not a science database club.

BP



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