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you can't make them private, only the team forums have restricted access
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im not that sure if teams have full restricted access either. im almost certain that i have come across other teams threads. for the life of me i couldnt tell u how i stumbled across it thou
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not referring to these are you sbt?
=> gameknot.com
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Holy Crap! The "Angrysharks" team has 177 team members run by a 13 yr. old Captain with no Co-Capts-----how's this possible?
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Well, I guess he paid his money, joining in Dec '11, setting up the team in the same month, and building up the biggest team on GK. And he turned 13 only this month! Makes me feel I did the right thing accepting a 12-yr old onto my new team, so he can take over next year!
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 Here's a link to our forum....
This is Le Regiment's timeout policy... can anyone read it?
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Hey Chilli i think ur right. seems to be familiar. i may have come across that in those forums. Hardly ever even look at those thou.
JJ i just tried to look u up and yes it is restricted to ur team only
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can't read yours king-nothing
sbt - those old forums don't get used as much as they used to, cheers mate - congrats on State Of Origin, but I reckon you guys were lucky!
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Private Team Forums???
@SBT and chili, I think there is a loop hole, that Team Forums are not totally private, something that old sly dog Dan, told me.
PM me if you are interested, I don't think it should be discussed in front of everyone.
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ladylinda
22-Jul-13, 23:18
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Update
I was thanked for reporting the incident. The accounts that I reported were suspended, pending a reasonable explanation from the account owners. That was 7 hours ago. I noticed that most of their games have been resigned today, maybe forced because of the suspension. It looks like the team is gone too.
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St. John has gone too
St. John has gone too. Some of you may remember that I passed on the captaincy of the England side to 9422m. He then kicked me and some of the other players out, so we set up our own team. He changed the name of his team to St. John, so we changed the name to our team back to England. He then closed down his side, booted out all remaining players. He then sent me an abusive message on a mate in x puzzle I had posted. He then sent me this message - completely unprovoked and out of the blue "You are as bad as the French retreating in WWI according to Rommel's book about leading a Platoon.
en.wikipedia.org
You are a total disgrace to England and I am English.
Get a history lesson beyond your self and take command or just do what you want for your self.
J "
I complained to Gameknot, and they agreed that "The message quoted above was found to be in violation of GameKnot rules. An official warning has been issued to the offending user"
and the player's reply was "From: 9422m
Reply-to: john.h.carr@us.army.mil
Board#
Subject: Legal Terms of Leaving
I ask reimbursement for membership I will not continue as of today, 22 July 2013.
If this is not done in accordance to monetary contract I will pursue legal action against Game Knot.
Herewith I print and send my wish to Gameknot to leave without further ado or other action of harassment.
Respectfully submitted,
John H. Carr II"
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@ladylinda:
I am very shocked that lastav and sayv would do something like this. When I first started and was just a beginner, there rating were like 1300. They beat me and played just like their own ratings. I know because of I have played against many players with 1300 ratings. I, however, played far north of my rating. I did not go wrong, until the end game. During that time, I played more like my current then a beginner which is one of the reasons that I did not suspect of trying to manipulate their rating. Of course, I have to get more used to things like that because I played against a different player where I had a close game, and he did not show any signs of GK violation. So, he would be one that I wouldn't suspect. However, GK convicted him of that, so he had multiple consequences. That's because he was suspended, lost messaging privileges and his premium status, and his rating was dropped by like 200 points.
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ladylinda
23-Jul-13, 15:28
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@jkarp
When they played normal games, they played well and their ratings went up. Then they would play these 3-5 move games and resign even games or move the queen en pris and resign, make the exact same moves in several games, and lower their rating back to the floor. Take on another game, 30-40 moves and play well, win some points and at some point lose some more games in 3-5 moves. It is easy to see in their game history. You wouldn't know if you were playing a real game. One of my team members played 3 of the 3 move games where the queen was moved en pris 3 times the exact same way (non-team games). My team member was delighted to win points, but I advised him to avoid players like this because he should realize that a 1500 rated player would not make a mistake like this 3 times in a row. And he wouldn't want to be accused of being in collusion with him.
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ladylinda
23-Jul-13, 15:36
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I just reported another member of their team. I will leave his name off for the moment and wait to hear from GK. This person is also playing several team games with a lowered rating (to the floor) using similar methods. However, since the team is dissolved by the suspension of lastav, he cannot begin any more team games, unless he joins a new team. But I think GK will make a decision before that happens. You just may not want to accept a new member from team "Wilsons" without taking a look at their game history first, to see if it looks legit. I do know a couple of team members looked okay, but this one didn't. In addition, this person and lastav and sayv all seem to be using the same computer according to what GK posted on their page.
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what a great outcome and a win for the honest teams of gk!
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ladylinda
25-Jul-13, 13:25
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3rd player also suspended
I can now report that the 3rd player that I reported is also suspended. The name is "kirishh." This player was doing the same rating manipulation as "lastav" and "sayv" on team "Wilsons." He actually resigned one game after 21 moves when he was up in material by 13 points. The rest between July 4th and 9th were 3-5 moves, and mostly even. A couple had pieces moved en pris on maybe the 3rd move, if I remember right.
If you haven't actually seen what rating manipulation "looks like" then you should look at the games I mentioned in my post at the beginning of this thread, the rating chart, and the list of games. When jkarp did, he sent me a PM and said he could see what I was talking about. As the saying goes, "a picture is worth a thousand words." If you ever see anything that looks like this when making matches, send me a PM and I'll check it out. I don't mind sticking my neck out and reporting it to GK if I think it is. Then we can help improve the quality for our teams on GK.
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Well done you!
Well done Linda, keep up the good work!
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maca
26-Jul-13, 04:06
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Interestingly, users lastav , sayv and kirishh are sharing the same computer, along with 6 other players, some of whom are similarly low-rated. I'm not sure what to think of that, but I have a feeling they might also be worth checking out.
Regards,
MaCa.
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Could simply mean they are using the same school computers!
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Could simply mean they are using the same school computers
Maybe, but children should be a certain age before they can join Gameknot, is it 14? It is a bit strange, makes you wonder whether someone is breaking the rules about only one Gameknot account per person - before anyone accuses me of defamation (which in fact only the person being defamed can make that accusation in British Law, and to win, you have to prove some material lose, which would be hard in this case) - yes it is only speculation, but at least one of the people concerned has been found out to be breaking another of Gameknot's rules, so I wouldn't put it passed him or her to break another.
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scutzer
29-Jul-13, 14:38
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Officially GK states you have to be 13, but no birth certificate required
I have found if you take on a young whipper snapper , then you have to limit your risks by not giving them too many games.
Think back to when you were a teenager... yes I know it is painful for me too ... but I'm sure I wouldn't be too conscientious about playing on an online Chess Team. Not saying its right, but those of you who had/have teenagers know what I'm talking about.
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scutzer
29-Jul-13, 14:46
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One other thing on rating manipulation
Unless it's the captain or co-captain that is doing this, I usually contact them first before reporting it to GK. Often the captain may not be aware of this, especially on a large team. Recently I had a player who resigned early in my games and he said that he always did this if the person was moving too slowly after a month.... after I got up off the floor from passing out ... I emailed the team captain since I'm sure they didn't approve of this type of strategy. I always assume first the captain doesn't know. My 2 cents...
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ladylinda
29-Jul-13, 15:18
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Do talk to the captain if you suspect a problem
@scutzer very good point.
The 2 players I posted about and reported to GK were the captain and co-captain. I certainly would want to know if one of my players were using suspicious strategies. One of my players did play 3 of these games and gained points. I was able to determine that s/he was not in collusion with the other players, but if that had been the case, I would have wanted to know. S/he had just responded to a "Let's Play Chess" request.
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Collusion
Believe it or not, the player also would have gotten in trouble if he was in collusion with lastav or sayv. That's because collusion is another violation of the Community Standards on GK.
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Talk about New
I recently mentored a student. Now, she has been doing the same things as lastav, and sayv. However, it was not deliberate or rating manipulation, this time. So, what happened? Well, she's a beginner. Her problem is that she's getting nervous, which has inadvertently caused her to leave her Q en-prise and other material vulnerable. Not only that, but she's missed important mating threats, and sometimes has resigned when she was a Q ahead, or even by her third move. Her problems are exactly the same when I was still a beginner but to a much larger extent. She has been getting nervous, and that's the kind of the thing that takes away the needed the concentration. And, it ultimately results in bad consequences. So, she desperately needed mentoring. And, to make matters worse, she's a free member, so GK has a rule that free members are only allowed to members, if their rating is +/-500 points difference from your own. Since mine was, I decided to help out by mentoring and coaching. That game is shown in the annotation below. gameknot.com
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ladylinda
09-Sep-13, 03:56
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yeah but in their games that weren't 3-5 moves, they didn't come close to making any mistakes, and played normal openings. That was the big difference. Playing tough games, making good moves to win vs. playing 3-5 move games and moving the queen into pris to lose in others. Totally inconsistent play.
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baddeeds
22-Sep-13, 16:47
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Deleted by baddeeds on 22-Sep-13, 17:30.
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satya's had his last games end just last month - in fact plenty of timeouts and resignations. he has no premium subscripion but there is hope - a player named nainital sharing the same computer joined gk in August 2013 (coincidentally the same time satya's last games ended...)
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So
Maybe, satya_the_great is changing his account, dunno. I have seen something like that, but not with resignations or timeouts. But, I saw people this kind of thing happen with blitzkov when he was previously well water, and something that will happen with inadowman, and he'll be changing it to something else, but I don't remember exactly what that will be. BTW, I am not going by blitzkov's or ION's past games, I'm just basing on what actually happened with their account, when they changed it.
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I just looked naintal account. Now, his account is also inactive, and it appears that he has no plans to change his account. So, something tells me that his account was terminated by GK. So, either someone reported it, or administration just figured out what was going on. IDK.
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