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artjones
11-Sep-06, 09:30

Basic Rights?
Should the right of anonymity be a basic right?

In todays times, where the world has become so small, should each person have the right to be completely anonymous and what would be the consequences on the indevidual and society for such a right?
thumper
11-Sep-06, 12:32

Art
Are you using anonymity as a synonym for privacy? They're not always interchangable terms.
It comes down to personal responsibility.
The individual can do much to secure and maintain or to compromise both by their actions.
Paying in cash whenever possible is probably the single biggest way to accomplish this.
In the US we like to claim our 'rights' but generally don't even understand what our rights are.


THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution
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The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
echo3
12-Sep-06, 01:53

Some people are anonymous.....
.... but to be truly anonymous I guess one would have to live "outside" the state. ie no national insurance number, no record of birth, no work, no taxes, no healthcare, no utility bills.

One would have to be a hermit of sorts. Is this what you mean art?
saintinsanity
12-Sep-06, 04:25

I too
would be interested in hearing a clarification of art's original message. And those ten commandments sure didn't help any. I mean ammendments. 10 ammendments.
artjones
12-Sep-06, 09:55

Explaine:
The right to privacy: we (society) know who you are but don't know what you did or do unless of course you do or did it in public view.

The right to anonymity: we (society) don't even know who you are, much less what you do or did.

In the past, in most society's and still in some, you can commit a crime and be arrested, convicted and sentenced as John Doe (fictional person) and return to society as your real name; having the conviction not reflect on your real-name record.

The question: Should you have the basic right to disappear as one person and re-appear as another, without public record of the event and how will this affect society?
OR
Should this be a crime?
thumper
12-Sep-06, 21:30

I like that question! 8-)
The glib answer is, where ever you go there you are so what's the point?

Seriously though. My knee jerk answer is yes, you should have a basic right to be anonimous if you choose. You still can be, to a degree. It's getting harder each year as technology advances.

To change identities is another matter. You start to get involved in a myriad of identity laws and such. Once you're 'in the system' you're that person until the system says otherwise. You can call yourself Duck Dodgers if you want but you are 'legally' who the system knows/says you are.

That being said, it's possible to fool the system to a point and become someone else, but it's very difficult for the avg person to accomplish. Even if they're very, very smart and knowledgable. If you've ever had shall we say, legal contact with the system, it becomes almost impossible. Your, identity mask, would be quickly discovered because of fingerprints, retnal scans, digital mapping, etc.

The best way to be 'anonymous' and continue to live in a 'first world' country is to avoid calling attention to yourself.
echo3
13-Sep-06, 07:22

Anonymous like.....
.... an illegal alien or a terrorist for example?

People "disappearing" is never going to sit well with governments for obvious reasons.

artjones
13-Sep-06, 09:20

Slippery Slope:
In my local government it is against the law to use an alias, i.e. if you use a false name to ID yourself you have committed a crime. This came about because shoplifters (thieves) were using a different name each time they got caught and was released without bail because the name they used had no previouse record of a crime (this ovccasionaly backfired) many times the shoplifter would be back in the same store stealing something before the shop owner returned from filing an arrest warrent on the shoplifter.

This consept, if applied to all, would eliminate the use of a Witness Protection Program, Investigative News Reporters going under cover, and many I have not thought of.

As society continues to decide what are rites are or not, how do you feel about what side of the slope we should slip?



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