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ironbutterfly
10-Sep-09, 15:05

move 27

I really thought we had a winning position here, but the more I look at it
now and think about arrakis and sk's analysis, the more I think we're in
trouble, and that ......Qh7 is our best chance here.

arrakis08
10-Sep-09, 15:22

Place your vote

game

Suggested moves

27....Qg8
cascadejames

27...Qh7
Arrakis08, sk-cadavre-opa, ironbutterfly

coopershawk
10-Sep-09, 19:57

confusion

I am confused and uncertain, so rather than vote, I am going to abstain. A possible move that
is unique to consultation games.
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

pennsylvaniadan
10-Sep-09, 20:59

move 27

I vote Qh7----

cyna
10-Sep-09, 23:11

Move 27

At the risk of being thought a fool, I'd like to propose move 27...Qg8, as being the better move.
I'm sure the other members of our club may have their own excellent suggestions, as well...

johnclark
11-Sep-09, 19:34

Move 27... Results

Actually, 3 moves were suggested in the course of discussion:

27...Qxh6 (0 votes)
27...Qg8 (1 votes- cyna)
27...Qh7 (4 votes- penndan, ironbutterfly, sk-cadavre-opa, arrakis08)

Club Morphy moves 27...Qh7.

hbird v Club Morphy gameknot.com

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. d4 d6 6. h4 h6 7. Nc3 Nc6
8. d5 Ne5 9. Nxe5 Bxe5 10. Qf3 g4 11. Qf2 Qf6 12. Bd2 a6 13. O-O-O g3
14. Qe2 h5 15. Rdf1 Bd7 16. Kb1 Ne7 17. Qe1 Ng6 18. Qc1 b5 19. Bd3 Bg4
20. Ne2 f3 21. gxf3 g2 22. fxg4 gxh1=Q 23. Rxh1 hxg4 24. h5 Ne7 25. Rf1 Qg7
26. h6 Qg6 27. Nf4 Qh7 *

It is now hbird's move.

johnclark
16-Sep-09, 17:24

It's now Club Morphy's move

hbird moves 28.c4

hbird v Club Morphy gameknot.com

cyna
16-Sep-09, 18:04

Move 28

28...0-0? Does anyone out there see a castle in the near future for black? Just curious...

johnclark
16-Sep-09, 20:53

Take the castle!!!

I think taking his castle should be our focus. bxc4 is a good start. Maybe Kd7 with the intent to better position our king side rook might work.

ironbutterfly
17-Sep-09, 09:39

move 28

To further our attack against his Q-side, I like bxc here, and then perhaps Rb8 (after his Qxc4).

cadavre-opa-
17-Sep-09, 09:46

28... Kd8

As I said previously, next move should be 28... Kd8

Expecting something like 29.cxb5 axb5

Previously, I said I wasn't too sure about move 30 from our opponent, offering either 30.Qc2 or 30.Nh5. I'm still not certain which way he'll go, so I think planning in both directions would be good.

30.Qc2 -> we're likely to go either Rb8 or b4 I'd have thought.
30.Nh5 -> probably Qg6

cadavre-opa-
17-Sep-09, 10:47

Sorry, a post was made while I was typing my last response.

28...bxc4 is a poor choice. Atm, I believe we still have a slight advantage, after bxc4 the advantage would be lost and we'd have to start looking for the draw (which is not out of the question even after 28...Kd8)

28...bxc4 29.Qxc4

1) 29... Rb8 30.b3 Qxh6 31.Qa4+ c6 32.dxc6
2) 29... O-O 30.Rg1 Qxh6 31.Rxg4+ Kh7 32.Rg3

johnclark
18-Sep-09, 13:46

Time to vote

hbird v Club Morphy gameknot.com

cadavre-opa-
18-Sep-09, 14:57

Sticking with Kd8 for reasons posted above.

pennsylvaniadan
18-Sep-09, 15:21

move 28

I vote for Kd8------The other two choices will open up a world of hurt----

cyna
18-Sep-09, 19:09

Move 28

Ditto: I vote 28... Kd8

coopershawk
18-Sep-09, 19:34

Kd8

28. . .kd8
Whoops. The error message said my post was too short.

7split10
18-Sep-09, 21:17

Kd8

Kd8 looks like the most sound to me.

johnclark
19-Sep-09, 17:37

A Brief Postponement has been requested

Sorry, folks. I screwed up AGAIN ( The club unanimously voted 28...Kd8 and I moved 28...Kd7 in error. I'm waiting to hear from hbird on how we are going to correct it. Sorry again. I'll just blame it on USC's loss to Washington today....

johnclark
20-Sep-09, 18:24

Game ON!!

Club Morphy moves 28...Kd8

hbird v Club Morphy

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3
14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7
25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 *

Sorry about the screw up. hbird and I will exchange moves via the message system. It is now hbird's move.

johnclark
21-Sep-09, 09:52

It's Club Morpjy's move

hbird moved 29.cxb5

hbird v Club Morphy

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3
14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7
25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 *

We are now open for suggestions and discussion.

ironbutterfly
21-Sep-09, 10:01

move 29

Do we have other decent options besides axb?

cadavre-opa-
21-Sep-09, 11:51

Move 29

Realistically, no. We've got to play 29... axb5.

After that it becomes complicated. I've settled on White playing Qc2, which I think is a stronger move than Nh5 but it could still go either way.

After 30.Qc2, we can begin looking at b4 or Rb8. If I'm wrong and he goes Nh5, I think Qg6 is probably the best bet, but I haven't gone far down that line of thought yet.

johnclark
23-Sep-09, 16:04

Club Morphy moves 29...axb5

Since there were othe suggestions nor further discussion, Club Morphy moves 29...axb5.

hbird v Club Morphy

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3
14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7
25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 *

It is now hbird's move.

johnclark
24-Sep-09, 13:57

hbird moved 30.Qc2

hbird v. Club Morphy

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3
14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7
25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 30.Qc2 *

We are now open for suggestions and discussion.

cadavre-opa-
24-Sep-09, 16:09

I've looked it over and I think we're in trouble. Best bet I think is to go 30...Rb8. I'm thinking he'll probably go 31.Ne2 after that which we can follow up with 31...Rb7.

The other option is to go 30...Ra7, but we'll lose the pawn after 31.Bxb5 and end in a similar position after 31...Rb7.

pennsylvaniadan
24-Sep-09, 17:29

I think our best option right now is to advance our pwn to b4. We can hope he does take it with his black bishop but I don't think he will because we would be free to take his pwn on the h6 square with our Queen. Then we move our Rook to b8. This will at least by us a little time to keep him from putting his bishop on a5 threatening our King. Then I think we are going to have to do something radical like take his Knight with our bishop to free up some maneuvering room.

tennesseehiker
25-Sep-09, 01:23

Move 30. 0-0-0

I suggest a queenside castle if this is still possible.

pennsylvaniadan
25-Sep-09, 02:05

A castle is out of the mix tennessee---------

cyna
25-Sep-09, 17:07

Move 30...

We've already moved Kd8 so it's not possible to castle now. How about considering Rb8 now?

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