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johnclark 27-Sep-09, 23:30	Move 30...Kd7 Granted that things have looked better. The way I see it is that -we are on the wrong side of the board. Our pieces are on the Queenside and the action is on the King's. -our week square is c7. Our pawn on b5 is threatened by Bxb5. I think we need to look at 1) getting some fighting pieces over the kingside so we can support the king and possibly pose a threat to white's castle. What about 30...Kd7 and let him have our pawn with 31.Bxb5+? We then counter with 31...c6 to block the check which is supported by our knight on e7 and king and our back rank is free to get our rook on h8 into the game?
pennsylvaniadan 28-Sep-09, 04:55	Won't b4---Rb8---Kd7----accomplish the same thing and not give up the pwn----allow us to bring the other Rook over and free up our knight from being tied down?
ironbutterfly 28-Sep-09, 12:39	move 30 My analysis also indicates that ......Rb8 is best, and I think we have a good chance to draw.
coopershawk 28-Sep-09, 20:52	John If 30. . .Kd7 and 31. Bxb5+ c6 then our c6 pawn is defended by our Knight and King, but it is attacked by his d pawn, his Bishop and his Queen, so don't we lose it, and besides that everything breaks loose with our King exposed? Am I missing something?
johnclark 28-Sep-09, 21:04	cascadejames You are right. Not good at all unless we send hbird a bottle of Jack Daniels and he drinks it and then moves. Scratch 30...Kd7, folks.
coopershawk 28-Sep-09, 21:39	counter-attack I don't claim to have this fully calculated, but it looks to me like we are in trouble on the Queen side and stand to loose the b pawn, no matter what we do, if he wants it. We don't have anything that can defend it except our Queen-Rook and he has several pieces that can be used to attack it and/or the c pawn which is backwards and weakly defended by the King. So since we are losing on the Queen side, and are an exchange ahead I would counter-attack on the King side with 30. . Ng3 to trade off Knight for Knight, and be mentally prepared to sac our b pawn for a tempo. Then depending on his response I would use the tempo to push our g pawn or to guard it by moving the King Rook to g1. 30. . Ng3 also clears another square for our King to move to off the back rank. We also want to keep his Rook busy so it can't move over to c1 to protect his Queen making an attack down the c file. But our King side threats may not be strong enough or quick enough and he may just carry on with a Queen side attack anyway.
coopershawk 28-Sep-09, 21:46	Whoops I should have written 30. . .Ng6 not Ng3. Can you tell who learned chess with the old style notation 45 years ago, and still has to work at using algebraic notation?
coopershawk 28-Sep-09, 21:47	AND The plan would be to protect the pawn by moving our Rook to g8 not g1.
johnclark 29-Sep-09, 10:03	Deleted by johnclark on 29-Sep-09, 10:12.
johnclark 29-Sep-09, 10:15	Moving the board to current page hbird v Club Morphy 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3 14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7 25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 30.Qc2 * Earlier post was deleted as I had the incorrect PGN.
tennesseehiker 30-Sep-09, 01:51	Move 30. Qh6 Unless I'm missing something, our next move should be Qh6. If not, perhaps O-O to protect our c pawn and provide protection to our king (somewhat anyway).
pennsylvaniadan 30-Sep-09, 04:44	If we move our Queen to h6 we will lose it when he checks us with his knight and we can no longer castle because we have already moved our king.
johnclark 02-Oct-09, 00:03	Time to vote If there is no further discussion, please vote for one of the suggested moves: 30...Rb8 30...b4 30...Ng6 30...Qh6
cadavre-opa- 02-Oct-09, 02:07	30...Rb8
ironbutterfly 02-Oct-09, 04:16	move 30 As mentioned above, .......Rb8
cyna 02-Oct-09, 13:53	Move 30 I'm with you... Rb8.
pennsylvaniadan 02-Oct-09, 20:50	move 30 I'm sticking with b4
johnclark 05-Oct-09, 06:33	Deleted by johnclark on 05-Oct-09, 06:36.
johnclark 05-Oct-09, 06:37	Club Morphy moves 30...Rb8 Results: 30...Rb8 (3 votes sk-cadavre-opa, ironbutterfly, cyna) 30...b4 (1 vote penndan) 30...Ng6 (0 votes) 30...Qh6 (0 votes) hbird v Club Morphy 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3 14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7 25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 30.Qc2 Rb8 It is now hbird's move.
johnclark 07-Oct-09, 10:15	hbird moved 31.Ne2 hbird v Club Morphy 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3 14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7 25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 30.Qc2 Rb8 31.Ne2 * We are now open for suggestions and discussion.
cadavre-opa- 07-Oct-09, 13:35	31...Rb7 Well, as I said previously. . . after 30...Rb8 he'd probably follow up with 31.Ne2. Best bet I think is Rb7 which will probably be met with Nc3 as he prepares to take our weak b5 pawn. Then we can evaluate which pawn we'd rather push, either to b4 or to g3.
johnclark 10-Oct-09, 19:40	31...Kd7 Isn't it time to reposition our king? What about 31...Kd7 followed with ...Rhc8?
cyna 10-Oct-09, 19:55	Move 31 I'm in favor of sk-cadavre-opa's suggested move, but I'm also looking at the possibility of 31...Rg8.
cyna 10-Oct-09, 19:58	Move 31 I may be off the mark, but it seems to me black's King is fairly well protected at the moment...
cadavre-opa- 11-Oct-09, 15:18	I'm not overly opposed to Rg8, but I prefer Rb7. Kd7 I don't like. What're you going to do after Nc3? You'd have to advance the pawn to keep it, so b4, which allows white to position his knight at b5 which will be dangerous for us.
johnclark 12-Oct-09, 17:38	re: ...Kd7 Yes, I see your point.
johnclark 12-Oct-09, 17:41	Time to vote If there is no further discussion, please vote for one of the suggested moves: 31...Rb7 31...Rb8 31...Kd7
ironbutterfly 12-Oct-09, 18:15	move 31 My vote is ...... Rb7
pennsylvaniadan 12-Oct-09, 21:41	move 31 My vote is Rb7
coopershawk 12-Oct-09, 22:26	31. . Rg8 John, I think Cyna suggested considering 31. . Rg8; not Rb8. I am voting for Rg8 because I think we are in deep trouble on the Q side. It looks indefensible to me. So I would attempt a desperation counter-attack on the K side.
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