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cyna
12-Oct-09, 23:27

Move 31

I agree with Cascadejames; my vote is for Rg8.

cadavre-opa-
13-Oct-09, 02:53

31...Rb7

31...Rb7

coopershawk
13-Oct-09, 17:45

general comment

This is not specifically related to move 31, but I feel the need to comment about it relative to our current position. As I see it, part of our problem arises from the fact that we never castled, so our king is in the middle of the board.

Since our king is still in the middle:
A. any attack on the middle potentially attacks our king.
B. any attack on the king side potentially attacks our king.
C. any attack on the queen side potentially attacks our king.

Castling not only puts your king behind a wall of pawns and develops a rook; it also gets the king out of the middle of the board and thereby reduces the number of critical squares which must be defended. This in turn frees up some of your pieces for attack. It's just my opinion, but I always grind my teeth whenever anyone asserts that castling results in a loss of tempo. In my mind it is just the opposite. As far as tempo is concerned, castling is one of the most efficient moves on the board, because it accomplishes several things at the same time. Castling often has offensive, defensive, positional, and tactical advantages all at once.

cyna
13-Oct-09, 18:27

re: Castling

I agree with your general comment on castling. It is not possible to castle now, as we've already moved Kd8.

johnclark
16-Oct-09, 09:28

re: Castling

Very well said, cascadejames! That will be a good question for the post game analysis- "Should we have castled and when?"

johnclark
16-Oct-09, 09:42

Club Morphy moves 31...Rb7

Results:
31...Rb7 (3 votes- ironbutterfly, penndan, sk-cadavre-opa)
31...Rg8 (2 votes- cascadejames, cyna)
31...Kd7 (0 votes)

johnclark
19-Oct-09, 18:17

hbird moved 32.Be3

hbird1830 v Paul Morphy

coopershawk
20-Oct-09, 12:22

a puzzle

32.Be3 Why? I don't understand it and I decline to believe that it is merely a random move.
What is his plan? Any ideas?

cadavre-opa-
20-Oct-09, 14:58

I'm thinking the time is right to begin to open up our Queen again, with the aim of clearing the pesky h6 pawn.

I'm looking at something like 32...Qg6 33.Nc1 Rxh6! 34.Bxh6 Qxh6 35.Rxf7 g3?

That loses our material advantage, but gets rid of the h-pawn and frees our Queen to be more active as well as giving us a run with our g-pawn.

coopershawk
28-Oct-09, 13:19

No ideas

Apparently no one has any ideas other than sk's 32. . Qg6. I know I don't. Lets go with it.

pennsylvaniadan
28-Oct-09, 17:12

Take a look at Qe3---this might be our best chance to avoid a mate because we can slide her to b6 if need be--------may have a chance to go on the offense-----

coopershawk
28-Oct-09, 19:33

Penn

I think you are looking at the wrong diagram-- sk's projection on move 36. Our Q can't move to
e3 now.

pennsylvaniadan
29-Oct-09, 14:13

lol, you are right James---I guess that's what happens when I try and play 70 games at once as well as setting up team matches and trying to stay on top of stats---If we can get to the board that sk-cadavre-opa surmised, then we might have a chance in this game--Qg6 looks OK to me---------------------------------

johnclark
30-Oct-09, 21:52

Club Morphy moves 32...Qg6

Since there are no other suggestions and the discussion is in agreement with the move, Club Morphy moves 32...Qg6.

hbird v. Club Morphy

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.h4 h6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nxe5 Bxe5 10.Qf3 g4 11.Qf2 Qf6 12.Bd2 a6 13.O-O-O g3
14.Qe2 h5 15.Rdf1 Bd7 16.Kb1 Ne7 17.Qe1 Ng6 18.Qc1 b5 19.Bd3 Bg4 20.Ne2 f3 21.gxf3 g2 22.fxg4 gxh1=Q 23.Rxh1 hxg4 24.h5 Ne7
25.Rf1 Qg7 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qh7 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 30.Qc2 Rb8 31.Ne2 Rb7 32.Be3 Qg6 *

(PLEASE NOTE: I will be away on vacation from 10-31-09 to 11-15-09. If hbird sends a move before 9:30 AM, 10-31-09, I will post it for club suggestions and discussion. If not, we will resume following my return on 11-15-09.)

johnclark
17-Nov-09, 05:26

antagonistknight (hbird1370) moved 33.Nf4

Formerly hbird1370, antagonistknight moved 33.Nf4

cadavre-opa-
17-Nov-09, 11:37

As far as I'm concerned, the game is drawn and I feel that is what should be offered. Otherwise, I'm in favour of 33...Qh7.

pennsylvaniadan
17-Nov-09, 21:45

Move 33

Sounds good to me----

ironbutterfly
18-Nov-09, 10:25

offering a draw

I'm in favor of offering a draw also. I know that GK has changed the rule a couple
of times, but don't we have to move first?

cadavre-opa-
18-Nov-09, 11:01

Not sure of Gameknot's rules, but in chess rules we do have to move first. I'd go with 33...Qh7 and offer a draw.

cyna
18-Nov-09, 18:12

Move 33

Personally, I favor move 33...Qg8 and NOT offering a draw just yet. But that's just my opinion. I'm more inclined to play on to the hopeful win.

coopershawk
18-Nov-09, 20:31

33. . Qg8

I tend to agree with Cyna. It may be a draw, and I am in no position to doubt sk about that.
But the position is very asymmetrical and and imbalanced. So it presents interesting
challenges and opportunities to my mind. It seems a shame to draw the game. I would think
someone is going to find a win. Of course antagonistknight (hbird1370) might be the one to
find the win

I am thinking that 33. . Qg8 puts our queen in a position to move it to e8 for defense, or
alternatively to use it to continue to defend our h and g pawns. Leaving the threat of Rxh6
and/or the possibility of Ng6 to attempt to get rid of white's well positioned knight on f4.

cadavre-opa-
19-Nov-09, 01:51

I believe that the first player to try and force a win is likely to lose. However, if everyone
agrees on attempting something then Qg8 offers the least risk per gain.

johnclark
19-Nov-09, 16:29

Time to vote

If there is no further discussion, please vote for one of the following suggested moves:

33...Qh7 and offer a draw
33...Qg8

pawncaster
19-Nov-09, 16:35

move

I don't think our position is promising, I vote qh7 etc.

cyna
19-Nov-09, 18:30

Move 33

I vote 33...Qg8

coopershawk
19-Nov-09, 18:32

33. . Qg8

There is nothing to lose, and a draw is like kissing your sister. Maybe I will learn from the
way in which antagonistknight (hbird1370) executes the win.

ironbutterfly
19-Nov-09, 20:37

a draw

I think we should play the position - which means Qh7 and offer a draw. If ak
wants to play on, then we can watch his technique.....

pennsylvaniadan
19-Nov-09, 21:45

move 33

I vote for Qh7--draw

cadavre-opa-
20-Nov-09, 03:06

Qh7 and draw.

johnclark
21-Nov-09, 07:22

Club Morphy moves 33...Qh7 w/ draw offer

Results:

33...Qh7 and offer draw (4 votes: sk-cadavre-opa, nimzo5, ironbutterfly, penndan)
33...Qg8 (2 votes: cyna, cascadejames)

antagonistknight (hbird1830) v Club Morphy

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