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theoretician 23-Aug-12, 12:58	A many-body chess game The behavior of a many-body system where many refers to greater than two is extremely complex and hence very difficult to predict. Chess inherits this type of complexity as a consequence of the fact that it represents a system of 32 bodies. However, this many-body system is controlled only by two bodies which are the White and Black players (in addition, of course, to the rules of chess). One can add another level of complexity of if the game is played by more than two players. I believe this game will be fun to play and to watch while it evolves. I would like to start one game here and all club members are welcome to participate and kibitz. Here are the rules: 1- You can make a move for Black or White but you cannot make two consecutive moves for either side and of course you cannot make a move for one side and immediately respond to your own move on the other side. Also you do not have to stick to one side throughout the game , please feel free to make moves for both. 2- After making the move, one has to explicitly post the move in algebraic notation in this thread and post a chess diagram of the current position of the game , the latter can be done using the code: fen="" where in between the quotation marks one needs to insert the EN notation of the position. 3- All club members are welcome to kibitz during the course of the game. 4- There is no resignation or agreed draw. 5- Chess engines are now allowed during this game. (But we may change this rule in future games) Here we go, I will start with 1.b3 The Nimzowitsch-Larsen attack.
theoretician 23-Aug-12, 13:03	Typo There is an important typo in rule 5. Chess engines are NOT allowed in this game.
johnclark 23-Aug-12, 16:57	1...Nf6 1.b3 Nf6 *
johnclark 23-Aug-12, 16:58	Sounds fun Thanks for the idea.
caknight 23-Aug-12, 17:33	The Nimzowitsch-Larsen attack Actually Nimzowitsch played 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 but is all works. 2.Bb2.
johnclark 23-Aug-12, 17:38	So what happens when someone blunders? We throw eggs at him?
caknight 23-Aug-12, 18:21	Blunder We send their queen to bed without desert....
theoretician 23-Aug-12, 21:50	Hopefully nobody blunders, but this also can happen in normal games. However, we can ask them to annotate the game in public as a compensation for the blunder they made. We will keep eggs and possibly tomatoes as a final resort   Charles, you are right Nimzowitsch played 1.Nf3 first and then 2.b3 , it was Bent Larsen who popularized 1.b3 and used it as a surprise. I still prefer calling 1.b3 the Nimzowitsch-Larsen attack in order to give credit for both.
caknight 23-Aug-12, 23:25	Larsen's Opening Nimzowitsch began the opening with 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 & it was the Great Dane Bent Larsen who championed 1.b3. Bobby Fischer played it in Palma de Mallorca iz 1970 against Miroslav Filip.
rmannstaedt 24-Aug-12, 08:10	So, do we explain the moves as we go? I would choose 2...c7-c5, in order to gain some influence on the long a1-h8 diagonal without exposing my center too much. Does that make sense?
theoretician 24-Aug-12, 11:40	Ruben , feel free to explain the ideas behind the moves. Indeed this is encouraged! This game can be both fun and instructive!
pennsylvaniadan 24-Aug-12, 13:43	I'm afraid to make a move-----lol
johnclark 24-Aug-12, 17:04	3.Nf3 @penndan: I don't think we need to fear moving early. So you might as well get your moves in now. 3.Nf3 * to develope the king side. I think that were I playing this on my own, I would consider capturing the knight (3.Bxf6) to double black's pawns.
caknight 24-Aug-12, 17:08	Bxf6? JC why expose white's long diagonal by taking the knight? I like Nf3 better.
pennsylvaniadan 24-Aug-12, 17:08	No, I'll wait till the game is on the line and move----just before the tar and feathering ensues? Lol
johnclark 24-Aug-12, 17:13	Bxf6? So that's not worth doubling Blacks pawns? I guess that's why I could find only one game with it.
theoretician 24-Aug-12, 20:11	3...g6 White, I will not leave the a1-h8 diagonal for you, it is mine and you will see! I'm close to build a king's Indian setup for myself. Sincerely, Black The moves so far: 1. b3 Nf6 2. Bb2 c5 3. Nf3 g6 *
rmannstaedt 25-Aug-12, 02:16	4.e4 You may have your king's indian setup, Sir Black, and be welcome to it. For myself I am happy with taking the centre you so callously has ignored   Besides, methinks you are likely to castle short... ... in which case an overweight on the kingside is likely to be an advantage. (also, it was either this or e2-e3 or g2-g3 in order to develop my kingside bishop, and I didn't like any of those - too passive). The moves so far: 1. b3 Nf6 2. Bb2 c5 3. Nf3 g6 4. e4 *
theoretician 25-Aug-12, 10:10	Hmmm.. the game is gradually gaining some Sicilian flavor!
rmannstaedt 25-Aug-12, 11:39	Next move? Interesting game, I think - certainly an interesting concept! Please, somebody post the next move? I don't want to be the only one risking my neck here...   (besides - more interesting if there are more participants, yes?)
brigadecommander 25-Aug-12, 19:48	Deleted by brigadecommander on 25-Aug-12, 23:47.
theoretician 25-Aug-12, 23:47	Janet, I believe in your analysis you assumed that it is White turn. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. It is indeed Black's turn.
brigadecommander 25-Aug-12, 23:50	Schwerpunkt i will suggest a move... and the reason behind it but not post one. 5.e5! and white has a big advantage, if not a winning one. 4....Nd5 is met by 5.d4 and if 4....Nh5... then 5.d4 again with an even stronger attack. White has a superb attacking position. Correct me if i am wrong. As Nimzowich said;"White has overprotected the e5 pawn in earnest. Why? You must understand that this pawn is very important; it virtually cuts the board in half and makes it difficult for blacks forces to come to the aid of their king. White doesn't want black to challenge this important pawn. By overprotecting e5, white dares black to play f6(in this case it would be d6) . The reply exf6 would suddenly unleash the power of all the white pieces down the newly opened e-file and the newly opened a1-h8 diagonal.
brigadecommander 25-Aug-12, 23:52	oh sorry i thought it whites. Guess i said to much. Sorry.
theoretician 25-Aug-12, 23:57	Then, what do you think about Black's position now, given it is Black's move? We would still benefit from your analysis given your rating
brigadecommander 26-Aug-12, 00:31	just about equal. after 4....Bg7. But both sides have to be careful. 5.Bc4 0-0 6.Qe2 Nc6. Yes i would call it equal.
rmannstaedt 26-Aug-12, 01:18	why not post a move? Uhm, Brigadecommander? Why not post that move? I believe the game is open to all, high ratings as well as low. I understand you may not want to dominate the game, but posting a move like 4...Bg7 is surely not any kind of domination ...   And it would be really nice to have more people participating   ... and that goes for you too, kind reader! Wouldn't you like to participate in this soon-to-be-famous game?! If you can post in this forum, you are free to make any move you like - just post your reasons for the move along with it   Come, come - special offer for you, my friend! ... one move for free, and then we will have some tea and speak about the rest, yes?
caknight 26-Aug-12, 01:30	Blacks move 4...Bg7 I will keep the game going. The moves so far: 1. b3 Nf6 2. Bb2 c5 3. Nf3 g6 4. e4 Bg7 White to move.
rmannstaedt 29-Aug-12, 02:52	reposted from another thread, copied here for continuity... brigadecommander, 26-Aug-12, 00:50 correction: upon further analysis i think, given that move sequence black has a slight edge. I am in my Observatory and the drive system is giving me trouble. I am trying to image one of Jupiter's moons passing in front of the planet and I'm a little distracted.. So yes,after Bg7 black has slightly the better of it. But the difference is so small. And this should not be. White by virtue of the first move should stand better. I suggest you ask caknight to corroborate this though. He is very strong. rmannstaedt, 26-Aug-12, 07:00 I don't see it...: ... and I believe I should. I certainly would like to! Please, could you elaborate a bit on how you reach that conclusion? Please? brigadecommander, 26-Aug-12, 08:00 mostly intuition: in all variations Black has a fine game. His pieces will have (if developed properly) excellent nodes of communication. His center has not been committed and that gives black a certain flexibility. The position reminds me somewhat of a Sicilian dragon. But as i said..its more of a intuitive reasoning rather then a tangible calculus. i would rather have the black position then the white if i had a choice. I made the mistake of thinking at first that it was whites move. I saw immediately a straight forward tactical way of proceeding. If you ask me how i would continue as black now i would say 1.Develop all forces quickly and contest the center. While keeping an eye to opening the c-file for flank operations. 2.Or if your style is to attack the white king, then it can be said that the black King is much more secure then the white King. I hope this helps..BC
rmannstaedt 29-Aug-12, 02:54	next move? anybody?? this should be a many-many game, yes? please - all of you! - feel free to post a move for White...
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