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johnclark 30-Aug-09, 19:36	hbird v Club Morphy consult game - new thread On my last post I requested a vote for our 25th move. Apparently we reach the maximum moves for any thread and here's the message that popped up: "The max number of posts in a message thread has been reached!" So we need to start a new thread to continue the game. Here's the board: hbird v. Club Morphy gameknot.com 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. d4 d6 6. h4 h6 7. Nc3 Nc6 8. d5 Ne5 9. Nxe5 Bxe5 10. Qf3 g4 11. Qf2 Qf6 12. Bd2 a6 13. O-O-O g3 14. Qe2 h5 15. Rdf1 Bd7 16. Kb1 Ne7 17. Qe1 Ng6 18. Qc1 b5 19. Bd3 Bg4 20. Ne2 f3 21. gxf3 g2 22. fxg4 gxh1=Q 23. Rxh1 hxg4 24. h5 Ne7 25. Rf1 * If there is no further discussion please vote for one of the following suggested moves: 25...Qh4 25...Qg7
arrakis08 30-Aug-09, 20:26	Voting on moves I prefer 25...Qg7 maintaining pressure against the White King. White is forced to defend and then Black has possibilities of continuing the attack with ...g5
cyna 30-Aug-09, 20:31	Move 25 I vote: 25...Qg7
pennsylvaniadan 30-Aug-09, 21:15	move25 I vote for Qg7
7split10 01-Sep-09, 13:56	As mentioned in the previous thread, my suggestion was Qg7. However, I would really like our 2200 rated player, who voted Qh4 earlier, to respond to my analysis with that of his own. I am clearly nowhere near the player he is, and maybe he sees something that I do not.
cadavre-opa- 01-Sep-09, 17:02	Sorry, been busy. In fact, still busy, so this'll be brief. After Qh4, I'm expecting: - 26.Rh1 Qf2 27.Be3 Qf6 28.Rf1 Qh4 29.c4 bxc4 30.Qxc4 Rb8 Which I think puts us further in front in this game. As opposed to Qg7, which I'd expect: - 26.h6 Qg6 27.Nf4 Qg8 28.c4 b4 29.Rh1 Qf8 30.Ng2 c5 Although I'd agree we'd still be in front, I prefer the end of the Qh4 sequence over Qg7. Again, my apologies that this is a little brief, I'm sort of working. . . yes at 5 past 1 in the morning
7split10 01-Sep-09, 21:49	Here we go... As promised, my inferior mind will try to retort. In your analysis of Qh4... at move 29 you have him going c4, which is an interesting move. I would have surely guessed h6, but lets see what happens if c4... why not Rxh5 after c4 instead of bxc4? Looks like we might win a pawn here since we are eyeing up the weak b2 square of our opponent. Now, that said, he has some potential to make a move with cxb5, but I think this is a threat we can parry. Your analysis of Qh4 fails with move 29, assuming our opponent will move to c4, giving us a vastly superior position than what will likely happen in our game. (ah, I tried saying that with such conviction!) Now, in your analysis of Qg7 I will point out another disagreement in my behalf. Again, I don't think he will go to c4 but rather Ng2 at move 28, but say he DOES go c4. You then have us pushing the pawn to b4, which I believe is weaker than bxc4. If b4, then he can go c5... and now we could be in for some trouble. dxc5 leads to Qxc5, which just looks bad for us, as we are losing our stranglehold on the position. If instead of dxc5 we go with the really only other viable move, Rxh6, then we are going to be giving back a rook here after Ne6. We have to take the knight on e6 here, as our rook was given an undiscovered attack from the bishop behind his knight... and if we move this rook and do not take his knight, he has a fork on c7 winning him our other rook for nothing. I'm just trying to play a little devil's advocate here. Please don't take umbrage to my style =)
cyna 01-Sep-09, 22:51	roll, tide, roll... as johnclark said, it's time to vote, ladies and gentlemen...
pennsylvaniadan 02-Sep-09, 00:57	move 25 Thanks for the analysis guys----my vote remains Qg7 I think it's the prudent move here. I don't like the idea of taking our Queen down to the f2 square after Qh4. We may be up in points in this game but he has the better board position--in my opinion.
ironbutterfly 02-Sep-09, 13:08	move 25 I'm confused (?) overwhelmed (?) suffering from heat and smoke inhalation (?) - and vote Qg7.
johnclark 02-Sep-09, 21:37	Club Morphy moves 25...Qg7 Results: 25...Qh4 (1 vote) 25...Qg7 (5 votes) hbird v. Club Morphy gameknot.com 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. d4 d6 6. h4 h6 7. Nc3 Nc6 8. d5 Ne5 9. Nxe5 Bxe5 10. Qf3 g4 11. Qf2 Qf6 12. Bd2 a6 13. O-O-O g3 14. Qe2 h5 15. Rdf1 Bd7 16. Kb1 Ne7 17. Qe1 Ng6 18. Qc1 b5 19. Bd3 Bg4 20. Ne2 f3 21. gxf3 g2 22. fxg4 gxh1=Q 23. Rxh1 hxg4 24. h5 Ne7 25. Rf1 Qg7 26. h6 * hbird has moved 26.h6 *. We are now open for suggestions and discussion.
arrakis08 02-Sep-09, 23:46	After 26.h6?! we simply play26 ...Qg6 This leave us with the exchange up, a continuing attack on White's queen, a strong passed pawn for us on the b-file and a very weak a-pawn for White. 26.h6?! is a desperate move by White. If White plays 27. Nc5 we simply chop the knotht with our bishop. White will eventually lose that a-pawn and our attack on his king is not stopped.
pennsylvaniadan 03-Sep-09, 02:48	Move 26 I think that Qg6 is the best move. But for move 27, I think arrakis08 meant to say that if hbird moves Nf4 (not c5) we should take it with our bishop. (you guys got to get the right squares in your analysis so that I don't think I need to change my medications)---lol
tennesseehiker 03-Sep-09, 05:14	Move 26. Qg6 I agree with arrakis08 and pennsylvaniadan in move 26 as Qg6.
ironbutterfly 03-Sep-09, 10:46	move 26: ....Qg6 Looks best to me.
7split10 03-Sep-09, 11:09	I think h6 was the correct move on our opponent's behalf, and it was what I was expecting if you look back upon the previous consultation thread. That said, Qg6, I feel, is our best move as also previously mentioned earlier. After that, I think we will either see c4 or Nf4.
cyna 04-Sep-09, 00:19	Move 26 I'm in agreement with you guys, and I vote: 26...Qg6.
arrakis08 05-Sep-09, 18:11	Johnclark I suggest that you list the voted move and the names of the people who voted for that move. Here's an example from my own forum: Guardians of the Fortress vs Dune - Fun gm 2 Votes: 5...e5 Apeja, giginge, victorvachier 5...d6 Arrakis08, Graelb, bluenoser, schachwhiz, bergsteiger
johnclark 05-Sep-09, 20:51	arrakis08 Good suggestion! Will do. jc
johnclark 07-Sep-09, 12:08	Club Morphy moves 26...Qg6 As there were no other suggestions, Club Morphy moves 26...Qg6. Supporters of the move: cyna, arrakis08, 7split10, ironbutterfly, tennesseehiker, penndan. hbird v Club Morphy gameknot.com 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. d4 d6 6. h4 h6 7. Nc3 Nc6 8. d5 Ne5 9. Nxe5 Bxe5 10. Qf3 g4 11. Qf2 Qf6 12. Bd2 a6 13. O-O-O g3 14. Qe2 h5 15. Rdf1 Bd7 16. Kb1 Ne7 17. Qe1 Ng6 18. Qc1 b5 19. Bd3 Bg4 20. Ne2 f3 21. gxf3 g2 22. fxg4 gxh1=Q 23. Rxh1 hxg4 24. h5 Ne7 25. Rf1 Qg7 26. h6 Qg6 27. Nf4 * hbird has moved 27.Nf4 *. It is Club Morphy's move. We are now open for suggestions and discussion.
arrakis08 07-Sep-09, 15:58	27.Nf4 I recommend we chop the knight. 27...Bxf4 Arrakis08
coopershawk 07-Sep-09, 20:49	27. . Qg8 I must certainly respect arrakis08's suggestion, but I hate to trade off that bishop. It has been like a rock in the center for us; holding our position together, and maintaining the possibility of an offensive threat down the long diagonal toward white's King. It also block's white's e pawn from moving forward, limiting the scope of his white bishop temporarily. And finally, I think white is forced to move the knight to a less advantageous square to allow the bishop to protect his a pawn, or move the rook over to protect the a pawn. Either way we pick up a tempo. But as I said, I certainly respect arrakis08's POV, so Don I would be please to learn more about why you want to take the knight.
cyna 07-Sep-09, 21:49	27...Qxh6 I like the above rationale by cascadejames, but prefer 27...Qxh6. I'm also open to other suggestions...
pennsylvaniadan 07-Sep-09, 22:24	move 27 Qh6 won't work, cyna. He would follow with Ne6 and after we save our Queen from his bishop he would follow with Nc7 putting us in check and exposing the rook on a8. I'm leaning toward Qg8 because if we do go Bf4 we will end up with the Queen there anyway in a couple of moves and lose position if he can advance his pwn to e5. We are going to have to move our king to d7 or castle queenside shortly.----I think-----
coopershawk 08-Sep-09, 12:47	Disclosure By the way. I should mention that Arrakis08 recently beat me rather handily -- 15 moves that took only 5 days. So it may not be prudent to take my suggestions over his.   Consider my post to be for the purpose of sparking discussion.
johnclark 08-Sep-09, 15:27	cascadejames- Welcome back! Glad to see you back. And don't forget the Paul Morphy attitude, "One game doesn't show anything other than that one game." jc
pennsylvaniadan 08-Sep-09, 17:10	Disclosure John is right on that quote. In our case on these consultation games, "One move doesn't show anything other than one move". My idea in asking John about trying out a consultation game was for a less gifted player like myself to maybe be able to delve into the minds of the better players and get an idea on how they think and see the board. Chess is not an exact game and there are numerous different moves to achieve the same goal, so I want to hear them all. It so happens that in the current board position, I'm seeing the exact same thing you are, so just maybe it is prudent to take your suggestion. I appreciate the better players giving us their input and helping to educate us on the various chess lines, but no one that ever played this game was right all the time. By the way, I've lost games to most of the people in our Club (some rather handily) but that doesn't mean anything--HA----(how's that for attitude, jc)
arrakis08 09-Sep-09, 14:31	Our move and I discovered a mistake. I stand corrected by cascadejames. Black is busted after 27...Bxf4 29.Bxf4 and we have no defense to 30.e5 which simply crushes us. cascadejames's suggestion of 27. . Qg8 is better, but still losing because White will play 28.Nh5-f6 and we will have to take it off anyway. I now think the only chance Black has is to play 27...Qh7 and after 28.Nh5 Ng8 eventually castling short or playing our king up so the Black Q-rook can get into the game.
cadavre-opa- 10-Sep-09, 05:55	Deleted by cadavre-opa- on 10-Sep-09, 05:56.
cadavre-opa- 10-Sep-09, 05:58	I haven't looked at the board in awhile, but a few moves ago my analysis showed that if we went 25...Qg7 (which I still think was inferior to 25...Qh4   ), we'd end up with 27...Qg8. Having looked again, I think 27...Qh7 is better. After Qh7, I'd expect something like - 28.c4 Kd8 29.cxb5 axb5 Move 30, I'm not sure of. I suspect either we'll face 30.Qc2 or 30.Nh5. I hope for Qc2, which I think is slightly weaker.
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