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chainlink
10-Nov-11, 05:27

It's about TIME.
I have read and heard a lot about "time" and it seems to me that the Scientist are not looking at this topic correctly.
So before I put my two cents in, how would you address this subject matter?

When did time start, before the BIG BANG or after? If possible give your reason, but it's not necessary because the brightest of the Scientific world are scratching their heads.
ace-of-aces
10-Nov-11, 19:18

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I am a dummy and I still can't understand the time in scientific way. All I know is the clock time and my belief of time is that it is fixed. You cannot gain or lose time. This is not so according to Einstein and Stephen Hawkins. Imagine the universe as space filled with matter and energy. The latter two are interchangeable, that is one can transform into another. Imagine the universe as an empty space only, without matter or energy and in this case there will have no time. This is my basic understanding of time which is very mediocre. Before we discuss about time one should read, Stephen Hawkins " A brief history of time. " I still can't understand about time. I am wasting my time. I believe you can help me but don't wast your time on TIME.
shamash
10-Nov-11, 21:01

"Had we but world enough, and time. . . "
"Had we but world enough, and time,
This coyness, Lady, were no crime
We would sit down and think which way
To walk and pass our long love's day.
Thou by the Indian Ganges' side
Shouldst rubies find: I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood,
And you should, if you please, refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow;
An hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes and on thy forehead gaze;
Two hundred to adore each breast,
But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, Lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.

"But at my back I always hear
Time's wingèd chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song: then worms shall try
That long preserved virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust:
The grave 's a fine and private place,
But none, I think, do there embrace.

"Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may,
And now, like amorous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour
Than languish in his slow-chapt power.
Let us roll all our strength and all
Our sweetness up into one ball,
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life:
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run. "

--Andrew Marvell
working_man
11-Nov-11, 02:59

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working_man
11-Nov-11, 03:01

too simplistic?
In my understanding time is the count of arbitrary units of measurement it takes for something (an object, energy state, etc) to change in some way. In essence, time is change. If everything is in absolute equilibrium then there is no change, no time.
itchynscratchy
11-Nov-11, 04:15

The Big Bang theory, in it's current state, asserts that time started at the Big Bang (ie the Big Bang is t=0) and so there can be no before, to quote Hawking "Asking what was before the Big Bang is like asking what is North of the North Pole. However, many modern physicists suspect there might be something beyond this explanation, with many ideas involving pre-Big Bang states. So far though none of this can be investigated because there is no theory of quantum gravity, so we cannot tell what happens when things get very heavy and very small at the same time (as is the case in the tiny fractions of a second after the Big Bang and within black holes).

''If everything is in absolute equilibrium then there is no change, no time.''

Very true I think, although it's my understanding that the second law of thermodynamics dictates the direction of the passage of time. (The second law states that the entropy in a closed system always tends to increase during any process). The units may be arbitrary, but the count direction is definitely not.

Having said that, I also seem to remember reading about theories of the end of the universe, one of which is the so called 'heat death' where all matter ends up in black holes and after all the black holes have radiated their energy back into the universe we are left with only photons throughout the universe. With no way of making a clock there can be said to be no time.
chainlink
12-Nov-11, 06:25

Great Responses, Thanks everybody.
WOW, great answers all around, I didn't think anyone would reply to my question but I put it out there just the same.

Remember this is just a Theory of mine, I'm equally sure that others have had the same thoughts. My Theory is just as valid as String Theory. It can neither be proved nor disproved. What is a "theory?" You know that thin line between right and wrong, that is where all theories reside. If you're proved right you say, "That was my theory," if proved wrong, then, "It was just a theory."

Our time is based on our Solar System and nothing else, would you agree on that or not?
We are controlled by ”TIME," I have at least 10 clocks in my home, no two of them read the same. So I tune in to Boulder Colorado and get the right time from UTC. Coordinated Universal Time, wow, Universal really? I like GMT, Greenwich Mean Time, but that the way the world works.

What would happen if our corner of the Milky Way were consumed by a "black hole?"
All that we know and all that we don't know, gone forever, not even a memory.

Now if there was another solar system "out there" that operated a little differently, larger orbit, slower spin of the planet around it's axes, what would "they" come up with to keep track of their "TIME?"

TIME was defined by us for us. As one Union Leader said, "time was invented by the Teamsters, so they could distinguish between straight-TIME and over-TIME."

Remember also, that I am a old guy still trying to figure out the right moves on the Chess and Backgammon Boards. My wife calls this my, "Weasel Clause."

Now you have to think outside the box here.

I think that everyone is right but ace_kyi stopped a little short, after the "Big Bang" what was a second, minute, hour or a million years? Who or what was keeping track of the "T" word. The Cosmos just is. There was no time, up or down, no north, south, east or west.. The Cosmos is not restricted by our limited concepts of TIME, SPACE OR DIRECTION. Understanding this is like trying to fathom INFINITY. Our brains are not capable of understanding these things. I may be wrong, not the first time I can assure you, but I know this for certain, "The Cosmos Is," and long after this planet and solar system are gone, the Cosmos will remain and requires no "TIME."

I heard a Preacher say once that, "God created everything and it was all harmonious, then He made man and man messed it all up."

By the way, great poem shamash, when I read it, I recalled something I heard once. I don't know who said it first, but it wasn't me, "We live our little lives between Eternities."



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