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shamash
07-May-11, 15:33

The Basic Strategic Conflict
If endgame genius Anatoly Karpov looked at this position, he would say,
"The basic strategic conflict revolves around the __________ ."

Now fill in the blank.
tigerblood
07-May-11, 22:04

The Value of the Question
What would Anatoly Karpov say at this position in our endgame? How I wish I knew. Viewing these maneuvers through the eyes of such a legendary figure is intriguing and I thank you for this thoughtfully posed question Shamash.
I imagine we should consider what degree of positional vs. tactical we should employ. Our "attack strategy" while standing vigilant to not weaken our "defense".
And once past the mechanical elements of the endgame - the fun part - pure magic of intuition that just comes from the human spirit and says "that's the move".

I do think he would find both the black team and our team fierce and worthy competitors - I definitely think that... With that in mind let's vote on a move! I'm still for the check.
wildfiree
08-May-11, 02:55

Vote
Qd6 is indeed a good move, the position is very tough now.
After careful analysis I think Qh7 is a good move, so that's what I will vote for.
shamash
08-May-11, 03:48

candidate moves
Thank you, Deb.
And thank you, Ardin: and why do you prefer Qh7 to Qd6?
wildfiree
08-May-11, 04:38

shamash
I was referring to our opponent's move
shamash
08-May-11, 04:57

sonata
so why not just post the move you would choose for us (I thought it was Qh7) : and why you feel it is best played now, and what you feel is tough about this position.
wildfiree
08-May-11, 05:05

Qh7
I think this is the best move, because I think we can grab that h6 pawn with our bishop and then break through with (f4 maybe first) g5 and so on.

I think this position is hard/tough because it is now difficult to look for a winning plan. Kind of short, but that's how I feel about it now
shamash
08-May-11, 06:46

the most promising future moves
yes, Ardin, you do bring up an interesting move
shamash
10-May-11, 08:39

a King Hunt not a pawn hunt
Simply put, we are going for the Black King not the black pawn.
tigerblood
13-May-11, 06:43

The Hunt is On
Well team, this is what we've waited for! The "hunt for the black king" as our team leader would so eloquently put it is "on". Our worthy opponents have come up with the best move possible and now we too must counter with something equally fitting. Drawing on Ardin's idea in his previous post I think g5 would be the move to play now. Is anyone with me on this?
shamash
18-May-11, 15:14

Where we are
OK, following Ardin's recommendation, this is what Black will be responding to:

game
easy19
20-May-11, 14:36

ok ok got a invitation to join
But should i join Team White or Team Black  

I see a nice game emerging from the French advance variation.
White has a nice king attack going, and has some good room to move.

My money is on white. but who should i join ?  
shamash
20-May-11, 14:52

why, Freddy
You dance with the one who invited you to the dance.
easy19
20-May-11, 14:55

May i not tease you?
/me pokes shamash  
shamash
20-May-11, 14:57

O God Yes
this discussion needs humor!
easy19
20-May-11, 15:10

Exactly
So, *logically*...

If...she...weighs the same as a duck......she's made of wood.
and therefore...

A Witch!
tigerblood
21-May-11, 04:16

Welcome to the team Freddy
Quotes from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - hey Freddy you are pretty funny. Good addition to the team.
easy19
21-May-11, 07:29

ah you talked the talk :)
tigerblood prepare!!


So it is blacks move wen will there be moved ?
tigerblood
21-May-11, 08:36

YOU GOT IT!!!
Freddy, Freddy , Freddy - your sophisticated sense of play may prove to be overkill against my beautiful and simple moves. My amateurish maneuvers may confound you much like the "witch" you speak of in your earlier post. I accept your challenge and yes I'm prepared "to do battle". Good luck...
shamash
26-May-11, 14:37

Attaquer! toujours attaquer!!
Everyone still on board for pushing the g-pawn with our next move?
tigerblood
26-May-11, 15:58

Deleted by tigerblood on 26-May-11, 15:58.
tigerblood
26-May-11, 15:59

All aboard Captain!

Shamash, you've done it again! Oui, oui for pushing the g. Attack!!!
easy19
27-May-11, 07:54

The pawn push is quit obvious and just the best move to make..

But i like to suggest a inferior move that is more suited to my zen style of play..
33. Bd3 we would still be winning but what will our opponent make of it.  

the ball in there court..
easy19
27-May-11, 07:58

Ow and i actually like to know
what Tiger thinks of it  
shamash
27-May-11, 08:42

the merits of a zen garden on a chess battlefield; force and power
Freddy! it would have been way more relaxing to have faced yore "zen style" in our games!


33 Bd3 does look European, a downright Dutch-Russian-Italian idea:

1) am sure Euwe would have liked it, as it takes c4 away from Black's c-rook (or is that "crook"?), Euwe being a big proponent of taking away squares from an opponent's open rook file.

2) Karpov, too, that boa-constrictor-turned-grandmaster would approve: the application of his most important principle: Restraining the opponent

Which leads to your. . . "what would the opponent make of it?" :


3) That we are playing like a cat toying with a mouse for the joy of slow torture.

That, while g5 would be an application of force, Bd3 would be an expression of power. As
Canetti puts it:

“The distinction between force and power can be illustrated very simply by the relationship between cat and mouse.
“The cat uses force to catch the mouse, to seize it, hold it in its claws and ultimately kill it. But while it is playing with it, another factor is present. It lets it go, allows it to run about a little and even turn its back; and during this time, the mouse is no longer subjected to force.
“But it is still within the power of the cat and can be caught again. If it gets away, it escapes from the cat’s sphere of power,” says Canetti.
“But, up to the point at which it can no longer be reached, it is still within it. The space which the cat dominates, the moments of hope it allows the mouse, while continuing however to watch it closely all the time and never relaxing its interest and intention to destroy it – all this together, space, hope, watchfulness and destructive intent, can be called the actual body of power, or, more simply, power itself.”
tigerblood
27-May-11, 09:37

Power Play
Ok boys this is what Tiger has to say. Yes, I can see pushing the g is a grandslam but our new resident superstar brings in an intriguing "zen" idea. Shamash, our intrepid leader illustrates the point ingeniously "with his cat and mouse" analogy in a most captivating and actually downright frightening way. But chess is war and war isn't pretty so my vote is go for "slow torture". Bd3 all the way - let's play with them a bit.
shamash
27-May-11, 10:10

and when you enjoy the advantage. . .
When you have the advantage, you press it.

You don't ever let up.

You do not allow counterplay.
easy19
27-May-11, 10:23

So easy  

Zen in the Art of Chess is working well if you are just the stronger opponent.

you are basically just play your own game and just ignores any of the moves and plans your opponent play,s or has. which often leads to in logical moves by your opponent who will respond to your moves.

Against a high caliber player it only works in some cases but mostly the opponents moves are of such value that the zen way of play alone is not working
shamash
27-May-11, 10:35

Deleted by shamash on 27-May-11, 10:36.
shamash
27-May-11, 10:37

an endgame that PURRS by our teammate Ardin
a VERY LOVELY AND CONVINCING CHECKMATE by Ardin, playing as Black, in his rooks-and-pawns endgame versus the 200-points stronger vladyslav

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