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tigerblood 15-Jun-11, 03:42	Chess players make good pool players too - who knew? Well Shamash, if you line up your shots in pool the way you do in chess - you must be one hell of a pool player! Thanks for the tips - I'm trying to incorporate all of these dynamics into my games and when it comes together watch out - and that means you Easy in reference to our current game...
shamash 18-Jun-11, 13:27	all for a pawn? Black moved, 35...gxf6, took our pawn that took their bishop -- big surprise -- game You know, there is a point in a chess game where if you see you are losing and Doomed, it becomes prudent, even imperative, to make the surprising move, the imprudent move, the move that just might imbalance things and turn things around -- just the surprise alone of an opponent on the defense switching to offense, to Active Defense can produce surprisingly good results: what Black needs to do is --- Black's sole hope is -- COUNTERaTTACK oh well, their moves are their choices, their fate. Our next move?
easy19 18-Jun-11, 13:33	ah nice we can play again.. So what do tiger and Sona think/say our next move should be and why ?
tigerblood 18-Jun-11, 16:01	Psssttt... our pawn wants to be a queen Well Gentlemen, I don't know if this is premature or if the time is ripe, you decide, but a little pawn told me it wants to be a queen real soon, so naturally h6. It will be backed up in the next move by the rook to h. Hey Easy good suggestion, when this game comes to its conclusion lets keep same sides and give our worthy opponents another go.
wildfiree 20-Jun-11, 09:54	Bishop? I like Bh6, bringing our bishop into the game, attacking the rook, aiming at the nice spot g7. Or even Rxf6 after Re8 comes. Bh6 is in my humble opinion the best move here.
tigerblood 26-Jun-11, 04:18	Here it comes... Yes, we are prepared to do battle. Battle not for the sake of battle alone but for the time honored tradition of mind against mind and spirit against spirit. Whether we push the pawn or bring our bishop in is of no matter. There are many roads to victory and our leader will choose the road we will travel. Either way I stand behind it fully. Our aim is clear...and here it comes.
shamash 26-Jun-11, 05:21	take everyone to the dance In effect, Black has one piece defending his King -- the King's rook. Why not take it? In effect, we have one potential attacker standing like a wallflower with no place to dance: our Queen's Bishop, the dark-squared Bishop, at e3. Why not bring her to the dance? We need more than our Queen as an attacker to win. And if we exchange Queens, we need our bishop to coordinate with our f-rook to win. And if we want to bring our b3-rook into the attack, we need the bishop to move out of the way. Sounds like a bishop move is called for. We could --- yes, we could listen to the h5 pawn's "lust to expand" as Aron Nimzovich puts it, and promote it -- But do we want to give our opponent those 3 tempi to organize a defense of his King? And do we want our own h-pawn to block our bishop from attacking the King's only defender on our very next move (with Bh6 blocked by h5-h6)? Of course we could win with h6. To be deviously cunning, even the cute 36 Bg5 would be a winning tactical blow. Try it. game We do have a luxury of fine choices, and sometimes a won game is challenging to win because it's a challenge to pick the best one. Ardin has made an absolutely superlative selection with 36 Bh6. .
tigerblood 26-Jun-11, 05:38	Get that bishop to the dance! Shamash has demonstrated unprecedented brilliance once again. KUDOS to Ardin for delivering that killer move. My vote is "get that bishop to the dance" and make the move.
wildfiree 26-Jun-11, 12:07	Allright Nice that my move has been chosen, now lets' go ahead and crush black's position!
easy19 26-Jun-11, 12:10	I do like the Bg5 move more then the excellent move sonata296 cam up with But if i have to decide now then Bh6 is the move to make. so lets move that piece
shamash 02-Jul-11, 12:10	edification for our clubmates So here is the position: game The intention was a Club endgame we could all learn from. To be fair to our opponent, the starting position certainly offered Black some prospects for a dandy counter-attack against a possibly over-extended White Kingside. But Black's counter-attack never saw the light of day. Now that the game is for all practical purposes over, and we prepare to do battle again, let's at least offer our opponent some insight as to why Black lost.
tigerblood 02-Jul-11, 12:48	I don't know??? I don't know why I lose my own games so I definitely don't know why our worthy opponents are in this mess. Was it when they gave away their bishop for no reason? Was it the psychological pressure of a 2300 plus player orchestrating a strategy that couldn't lose and fellow teammates scrutinizing that strategy to produce flawless moves? We should play them as black and see what happens...
shamash 03-Jul-11, 08:01	Deleted by shamash on 03-Jul-11, 08:03.
shamash 03-Jul-11, 08:06	what Really wins in chess, a game of hope and fantasy We all know that winning postions don't win themselves --- and it may be that losing positions don't lose themselves. It is one thing to have gotten into a losing position -- but it takes real attitude to turn a losing position into a lost game. One of our strengths has been our optimism, whether the instinctual, creative initiative of Freddy, the cheerful, confident, insightful bravado of Ardin, or the resolute, courageous and joyful fierceness of Debbie. When the top Russian grandmasters were called upon to account for the one-by-one 6-0 thrashing of their best champions by Bobby Fischer, leading up to the Fischer-Spassky World Championship match that questioned Soviet hegemony in competitive chess, Paul Keres came up with the one trait of their opponent that they had under-rated and were unable to match. Not the depth of his chess knowledge, nor the strength of ability to calculate and foresee moves -- what made him stand out and dominate was the strength of his personality. Fischer's personality, determined to win, unable to accept losing, was his stength that Overcame opposition at the board. Just as we have shown that strength, our opponent has demonstrated a dour, resigned, fatalistic acceptance of their impending demise. Making moves with hesitancy and not conviction. Making moves that from the beginning believed our propaganda (way to go, Debbie!), believed our take on the position ("No way out. Every option looks bad to me. We may be approaching the game end instead of the endgame." Here, Black basically quoted my May 4th, vaporous "This next move is not only the beginning of the endgame, it is the beginning of the end for Black." So that we defeated them in the head long before we defeated them on the board. Consequently, Black began making moves "just to keep the game going," "just to keep the game alive," "we have no chance," "we will probably lose anyway," "I don't see anything good coming out of it;" the resigned & passive: "there is no option, and then we will find out what variation they are going to attack us with" (!"), and even when picking a strong response, our opponent's attitude is a resigned, "I can see nothing better." Losing is a state of mind. Losing is a fatalistic acceptance of defeat from one's earliest moves. A loss is nothing to be ashamed of. But giving up on yourself is. .
tigerblood 03-Jul-11, 13:52	Fighting your way out of a Storm If I were lost at sea - in a storm - with a huge hole in my sinking boat and I couldn't swim, I know with certainty that with Shamash as Captain - at the end of the journey - I'd be able to fight a storm, swim against the current and build a bigger boat - all as we were telling jokes. That's a true leader! Thank you, Shamash, you bring out the best in all of us.
shamash 05-Jul-11, 13:08	OK campers it is that time again Some would call ending a game like this just taking out the trash. Guess that makes our selection of a move a selection of which can of trash to take out. Or which piece to take out. Botvinnik used analyze moves at the chessboard by seeing it in zones. Zones of attack, zones of control, zones of blockade, zones of de-blockade, occasionally zones of retreat. Seems like, the zones of this board that matter are zones in our control, and under our attack. game Botvinnik would then see that his pieces had targets, and that his pieces controlled the paths (or trajectories) of attack. We have targets, we have control, we have the threat of a passed pawn, and most best we even have the threat of a potential mating line. Okay, what's next? what plan (or sequence of objectives), and what moves?
tigerblood 06-Jul-11, 14:01	Trajectories of Attack!!! YES, that's it!!! Yes Shamash, that is an excellent way to view the board. Thank you for that insight. This is an interesting game... Interesting because there's so many things that can be done at this point and so many objectives that can bring about victory. I'm pretty traditional though. The move I like is to double our rooks (Rbf3). This seems like a solid move to me. However, there's many other valid choices and winning moves. Let's hear some...
shamash 13-Jul-11, 14:57	OUR MOVE 37 game It's our move. Deb's suggestion is 37 Rbf3. Any other candidates, and the reasons for them?
brigadecommander 13-Jul-11, 16:08	37.Rxf6!!! 37.Rxf6...Qd7(he can't take the rook at f6) 38.Rxc6...bxc6 39. Bf5.!!
shamash 13-Jul-11, 16:31	brigade commander and her idea Emanuel Lasker used to say, when you find a good move -- find a better one! 37 Rbf3 certainly wins. And normally the line inaugurated by such a move might well be our choice. However. . . our opponents once again have helped us, selecting from the candidate moves in the position one of the worst possible, and most disastrous moves for Black --- Why? Precisely because it allows the capture that brigadecommander sees: 37 Rxf6! game kudos to Janet for seeing just why Black's 36...Re8 was not just an inaccuracy, but a serious error -- a losing error -- positionally and tactically. A Warm Welcome to The Team.
tigerblood 13-Jul-11, 16:43	The Vote is in Shamash once again you've shown your visionary leadership skills. Make the move!
wildfiree 14-Jul-11, 00:08	Rxf6 Very nice move brigadecommander, my vote is also in!
shamash 14-Jul-11, 01:46	Deleted by shamash on 14-Jul-11, 01:49.
shamash 14-Jul-11, 01:51	Teamwork Yes, Ardin, the move 37 Rxf6 is brigadecommander's cunning idea. And her idea rests on the shoulders of your ideas, from 5 moves earlier, of 32 f4 and 33 g5 -- winning the g5 square for our Queen's Bishop to respond 38 Bg5 [pinning and winning the Queen], if Black should respond 37...QxRf6. You may recall a couple of moves ago you identified Rxf6 as a candidate move. Deb advocated all along for pushing that g-pawn, absolutely necessary to make this line playable. So that's our move, team.
blueshrimper 18-Jul-11, 12:07	Resignation and congratulations I have resigned on behalf of the Black team. This was I think the consensus of the team members and I feel that it is the correct thing to do at this point. I wanted to be the first to congratulate you all on the win. I hope to start a new thread where the two teams can now come together to give their thoughts on the game. I hope you will all join me there.
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