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gcah2006 10-Sep-11, 12:10	17. Rb1 Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate, seeing as you gave it two question marks but I think the bishop can save White with 20. Bxb1. I can't see how White can compensate if he gives up the pawn and castling queen-side if dangerous. That'd leave White with two passive pieces, but his king is nearer the weak pawns.
l-d-j 10-Sep-11, 12:57	Ah I was missing the bishop. Still I think 16...Rb8 is an OK move.. So I'll move 16...Rb8 anyway.
easy19 10-Sep-11, 13:33	Move made by l-d-j 16...Rb8 Next possible move 19.White gameknot.com < Annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 Who will make move 17. ????
gcah2006 10-Sep-11, 13:53	17. Rb1 My reasoning is above.
easy19 10-Sep-11, 14:08	move made by gcah2006 17.Rb1 Next possible move 19....Black gameknot.com < Annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Who will make move 17.... ????
damalfi 12-Sep-11, 12:45	I'm back: Qh4. A possibility is for black to switch side: 17... Qh4. White has to defend h2, and he can do it in two ways only: g3 or h3. 18. g3 leaves black strong on the white squares, with Qh3 (white is tempted to play Bf1, Qh5, defending in a cramped position), or 19. h3, leaving black the chance to play f4. It threats to open the lines to the white king without fearing 20. Bxh7+ because of QxB, and if 21. QxQ+, KxQ and white has to deal with the threat BxNc3, since the b1 rook is now hanging. If white goes 22. o-o, f4xe3, 23. fxe3?, RxR+, 24. Rxf1 - or loses the c3 knight, Rxb2. __ Better for white is 20. o-o, and black has to decide between fxe3 or f3!?, both with attack. __ So I'm voting for Qh4.
damalfi 12-Sep-11, 13:00	Wow... I am spending a good time analyzing: 18. h3, f4!?, 19. o-o, fxe3!?, 20. fxe3 (threatens mate in h7-f8, so...) RxR+, 21. RxR (say), g6!?, and white's attack is blocked, unless...) 22. Bxg6, and I'm trying to find out if black can survive and preserve the piece for 2 pawn (and if it good for black). If hxBg6, 23. Qxg6+, Bg7, white can continue the attack with 24. Qe8 (Kh7), or 24. Rf7, Qh7, 25. Qg3!?, Rb7 (if Rxb2, Qc7! wins), 26. RxR, BxR, 27. Qb8+ seems to win back the piece, but Bf8 makes the queen defend the bishop (WOW). __ Of course, there can be better moves for either side...
easy19 12-Sep-11, 13:47	Move made by damalfi 17...Qh4 Next possible move 20.White gameknot.com < annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Qh4 18. Who will make move 18 White ????
damalfi 15-Sep-11, 15:19	It seems... that people is not interested in this game. I think the problem is that we have 3 SIMILAR games in this one and in the Masterclass threads, and really, it is a bit confusing to analyze them. And it seems that few players are reviewing all the 3 games at the same time... like me (yes, the one that said he didn't want to engage in a game again)
gcah2006 15-Sep-11, 16:13	I'm just waiting for some moves - I can't move again until Black 19.
l-d-j 16-Sep-11, 03:07	I have the same problem I can move again at move 19 from White, so I'll have to wait as well..
ramblinwreck 16-Sep-11, 08:56	18.g3 Got to be careful when you're only watching a game like this sporadically. I almost played 0-0, after which Black checkmates with Qxh2#.   Let's play g3. Black has to react to get the queen to safety, after which White can play f4.
easy19 16-Sep-11, 09:50	Move made by ramblinwreck 18.g3 Next possible move 21...Black gameknot.com < Annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Qh4 18. g3 .. Who will make move 18 black????
gcah2006 16-Sep-11, 16:56	In an attempt to facilitate more activity on this thread, and because it was deemed okay earlier in the thread... I'm going to suggest some moves that I would consider for Black here. Qh3 or Qf6 are the moves I would be considering in this situation - I'm not going to explain either as I feel that I might as well just makes the moves then!
l-d-j 17-Sep-11, 01:05	@easy19 I think next possible move should be 20...black, not 21.
dmaestro 17-Sep-11, 10:38	I think I can make a black move. ...Qh3 which prevents 0-0. Of course white can retreat the bishop in response but
easy19 17-Sep-11, 11:00	yep idj you are correct move update in a hour
easy19 17-Sep-11, 12:35	Corrections first. :) ramblinwreck Next possible move is 20...Black not 21..Black.. dmaestro has to move a white piece not a black one.
easy19 17-Sep-11, 12:39	Move made by Easy19 I made the same move as Dmaestro sugested. A good move. 18...Qh3 Next possible move 21.white gameknot.com < annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Qh4 18. g3 Qh3 So who will make move 19. White ???
dmaestro 17-Sep-11, 12:45	Move 19 Bf1 I am concerned about White's King being in the center, and the white square weakness. After the Q moves, perhaps Bg2 will be a better spot for the Bishop.
easy19 17-Sep-11, 13:21	Move made by dmaestro 19.Bf1 Next possible move 21...Black gameknot.com < Annotation is here 8. Nxc6 bxc6 9. Bd3 Bd6 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Qh4 18. g3 Qh3 19. Bf1
easy19 02-Oct-11, 22:51	I am waiting for someone to move waiting
gcah2006 02-Oct-11, 23:58	Oh, I missed this... ... I can move again! I'm just currently deciding on the best square for the queen. Taking the knight still isn't worth it yet, though if it navigates to f4 via e2 it might become more dangerous. Because of the threats from Bb7, the c-pawn is defended from any queen attack - at the minute at least. I want to keep the Queen on the light-squares as they are White's weakness, and it threatens Qf3. The queen on h5 would attack h2 and it might be possible to bring the rook to f6 then h6 (after White castles), with a push of g5 or Rb4 to support the attack... but the attack seems slow and very defendable. Also, Nf4 would put pressure on the Queen. For this reason, I'm choosing Qg4. It finds a nice light-square on an open rank. We can make use of Qb4+ if the knight moves (and the check is helpful). It also allows a h-pawn push which can put a lot of pressure on White's castle... which I'm assuming he will do. So for all these reasons, I choose Qg4.
easy19 07-Oct-11, 08:28	I am still waiting for someone to move   cant be so hard
brigadecommander 07-Oct-11, 09:13	19.Qg4 19.Qg4 =/=
damalfi 07-Oct-11, 10:34	Qg4. What else? The exchanges BxN+ and RxR doesn't seem to leave black any improvement.
gcah2006 07-Oct-11, 13:17	I thought I made the Qg4 move, Freddy... that was what I meant at the bottom of my post! I'm not sure what =/= means though.
brigadecommander 07-Oct-11, 15:43	=/= means.... the position is equal for white and black. If White had the edge it would be +/= and the same if black had the edge. =/+..... And if -/+ or +/- means a big advantage or a winning one.
easy19 07-Oct-11, 15:46	ah got lost in the txt gca ill update this in the morning
easy19 08-Oct-11, 07:34	move made by gcah2006 19...Qg4 Next possible move 22. White gameknot.com < Annotation is here 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Ne4 Be5 12. Qc2 f5 13. Nc5 Qb6 14. Na4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 Qxb4+ 16. Nc3 Rb8 17. Rb1 Qh4 18. g3 Qh3 19. Bf1 Qg4 Who will make move 20. White ??
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