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zed2
20-Mar-13, 12:55
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The reason
the reason I suggested the follow up move could be a6 was that he will have a double pawn on the b file which would make our a pawn vulnerable to attack once we move our Rook and we want to be free to move our rook.
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yes that's true
but there is probably more than one way to make sure our pawns are safe. one thing I don't like about a6 is that his B can sit on b6 possibly hindering a pawn advance. but sure, my idea of b6 (which is just an idea) is accompanied by, for example, a rook on our 2nd rank. and then we could support a pawn advance in various ways. but a6 may be just as good or better. no strong opinion yet either way. maybe by the time we get there we'll have a different idea entirely (like the rook on f moving to e?).
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voting 19. ...Bxb3
as much as I'd like to keep our bishop, I can't help but think that depriving Ion of the bishop pair is a good idea.
going back to marathongirl's point about it being possible to trap white's lsb, I suppose we could play an alternate move like 19. ...Rfe8, allowing us to begin to double our rooks if he plays BxB. and if he doesn't play BxB, we could probably still exchange Bs the following move. so if other club members think we should wait to exchange Bs, maybe I'd change my vote.
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zed2
22-Mar-13, 02:10
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Rfe8
I have had a look at Rfe8 and that is an option too I think. It still doesn't resolve the pawn being vulnerable on a file though.
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New Vote Game
I vote B x B to double white's pawns.
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zed2
22-Mar-13, 03:44
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BxB
Yes I am still inclined to go that way as well.
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no objection
re a-pawn, mobile rooks on the 7th and 8th ranks would support various doubling and pawn protection options. for example, if b-pawn is on b6, a rook on the 7th rank protects the a-pawn. and a rook on the 8th rank could come back to support from below, ...not that we want to tie up rooks with protecting pawns. but we do also have a knight and the pawns could also support each other in various ways during an advance. not sure these are good options. but they are options.
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bigpeta
23-Mar-13, 14:29
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endgame planning
I have posted some general notes in a new post on this subject.
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kepplersteve
24-Mar-13, 11:00
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Nc4
threatens B & Blocks other bishop,
if BxN BxB Threatens R
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bigpeta
24-Mar-13, 13:16
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Nc4
good analysis steve
one point to note it does leave whites pawns structure intact
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bigpeta
27-Mar-13, 05:10
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BxB
has the most votes so playing that for us
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bigpeta
27-Mar-13, 17:08
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Move 20
Board Position
Latest moves
1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Bc5
4.0-0 Nf6
5.d4 Bxd4
6.Nxd4 Nxd4
7.Be3 Nc6
8.Nc3 h6
9.f4 exf4
10.Bxf4 d6
11.Nd5 0-0
12.Bxh6 Ng4
13.Bf4 Nce5
14.Bb3 c6
15.Ne3 Qb6
16.Qd2 Be6
17.h3 Nxe3
18.Qxe3 QxQ
19.BxQ Bxb3
20.axb3
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zed2
27-Mar-13, 18:20
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a6?
a6 resolves the vulnerable pawn position and also gets the pawn onto a white square as his B is a black square B. That then releases our rook.
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alternatives?
I don't like creating a hole on b6. with ...a6, white's B can be on c7 in two moves (which means black can't have a rook on d8). and white can have a rook on the d-file in one.
but sure, there aren't many alternatives. still, let's look at ...b6 and ...c5 and see if there is any value in either of those. will review pete's two endgame threads and see if that helps with a move choice here.
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zed2
28-Mar-13, 15:53
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b6 and c5
I think both of these moves would create a weaker d pawn. with the configuration now we would have the option of moving to d5 and attacking e4 with a packup on c file.
If we move our b pawn he could move Ra6 which would create further problems I think.
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bigpeta
28-Mar-13, 16:33
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b6
b6 as MG says gets you Ra6 then c5 is pretty much forced to protect your pawn structure.
This leaves a backward d-pawn
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d-file not the best for an isolated pawn?
but I agree that freeing up our second rook will be good and that ...c5 doesn't seem to lead anywhere spectacular. so, no objection to 20. ...a6, though I figure we have a few days to change our mind if someone comes up with a better idea.
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bigpeta
02-Apr-13, 09:22
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playing a6
Its very disappointing that we only have 2 taking part in the discussion
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zed2
02-Apr-13, 12:36
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EASTER?
Could lack of participation be due to committments over the Easter break?
I have had visitors (overnight) and day as well this week.
That may explain it. Hope so anyway.
Joanna
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ionadowman vote game
What about Nd7? the Bishop would be trapped if it capture p at a7
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zed2
02-Apr-13, 22:00
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a6
I think Pete may have already played a6
We are waiting I suspect now for the opponent to make a move
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kepplersteve
03-Apr-13, 19:45
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a6 looks good to me.
Sorry Pete and everyone I've been busy at work
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zed2
03-Apr-13, 19:47
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It's Rough
Ha ha ha, it's rough when life and work intrude on chess playing!
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bigpeta
06-Apr-13, 00:59
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Move 21
Board Position
Latest moves
1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Bc5
4.0-0 Nf6
5.d4 Bxd4
6.Nxd4 Nxd4
7.Be3 Nc6
8.Nc3 h6
9.f4 exf4
10.Bxf4 d6
11.Nd5 0-0
12.Bxh6 Ng4
13.Bf4 Nce5
14.Bb3 c6
15.Ne3 Qb6
16.Qd2 Be6
17.h3 Nxe3
18.Qxe3 QxQ
19.BxQ Bxb3
20.axb3 a6
21.Rad1
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Ionadowman votegame continuation 01
The pawn at d3 is under attack, one of the Rook will have to defend.
I vote Rad8
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kepplersteve
06-Apr-13, 13:34
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Rad8 I agree
Probably followed by Bb6
Then Rd7
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zed2
06-Apr-13, 14:03
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I agree Rad8
Yes my thoughts exactly.
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fine with me
voting 21. ...Rad8
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bigpeta
15-Apr-13, 14:51
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Rad8 played
A unanimous vote for Rad8 so i have played that for us.
However you should note that Rfd8 was a slightly better move.
Too late to change though and not a serious difference.
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