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the-sigularity 29-Nov-12, 01:57	OK Thank you Pete. That answer came while I was in the middle of my 01:12 entry
efc8 29-Nov-12, 02:02	New vote game If you decide to equalize control of d5, yes that is the only way to do it. But again, the N is moving for the fourth time. I guess that white is also aiming to pin the N that is threatening e4. which requires h6 to stop it
the-sigularity 29-Nov-12, 02:16	Yes But since that is not an absolute pin we could 0-0 before making that move, do you agree?
efc8 29-Nov-12, 03:04	New vote game If you allow Bg5..... Nd5.....will follow & Black's King side will open up
bigpeta 29-Nov-12, 05:26	two points to help you first it was suggested that castling was not urgent and that saving the option to castle either side was an option. let me disabuse you of both of those ideas. 1:- you should aim to castle within the 1st 10 moves. Get the K to safety. 2:- Castling on the opposite side to your opponent is a path to complicated positional play which at your current level you are not ready for. next there has been much talk of the under protection of d5 and because of this the threat of white playing Nd5. I dont think you have to worry about this for several moves yet (if at all). White would simply be exchanging a strong threat for nothing.
efc8 29-Nov-12, 06:10	New vote game I guess I am looking too far and worrying too much.
the-sigularity 29-Nov-12, 08:56	Looking ahead and worry I think looking far ahead, and worrying (being careful) is a essential for good chess. I do that when I play, and I think if a person will play without these, then there is no point in playing. Now I believe we should follow what Pete pointed out, and either castle now or after the next move. Comments?
kepplersteve 30-Nov-12, 04:37	Suggest Castling before e6 It would take too many moves to open up a Q side Castle. I'm with Pete he would me f3
efc8 30-Nov-12, 04:55	New vote game In this position I vote for h6 then castle after
bigpeta 30-Nov-12, 07:21	e6??? @kepplersteve - we cant play e6 cos we already played e5!! did you mean d6? so looks like we have 3 candidates 0-0 d6 h6 can i have definite decisions between these 3 please
efc8 30-Nov-12, 08:02	New vote game If black castles...0-0 I am sure White will Play Bg5 & follow up with Nd5 attacking the pinned N. Of course Black can drive away the B but the pawn structure around the K will be in disarray This is my reason to vote for h6
fr1ar 30-Nov-12, 12:03	0-0, d6 or h6 for myself I would say the options are d6 or h6 and I'm not sure which I think is better.... but I think I would go with d6. Because we are a little behind in developing and playing h6 would give White more of a chance to develop even more and gain tempo. I do see the threat of Bg5 but I don't see that it would put us at a disadvantage, I'm not even sure it would be played because after Bg5 Nd5 White doesn't have the supporting force to maintain an attack and could run into trouble while retreating. If there was an exchange of pieces I think we could create a large Queenside pawn island and use that to our advantage. So my vote is d6 but I'll go with whatever majority calls
the-sigularity 01-Dec-12, 15:03	On NOV 12 10:42PM efc8 stated that W has 4 pieces on d5 and we have only 1, and can we allow that. In retrospect, I have decided this to be an extremely important factor to consider because W will take advantage of this position, and follow with more menacing advances to this point. I know that moving a N too many times in the opening is not good practice, but in this case I seriously have concluded that we cannot ignore this threat. Therefore knowing that some will object to such a move, I now strongly believe we should move our N to e7 to reinforce our position and if possible move our pawn to c6 afterwards. I ask you to please consider this problem, which may lead to a loss, if we ignore this impending threat.
bigpeta 01-Dec-12, 15:55	Ne7???? if you play Ne7 you will get f4 and your e pawn is gone. can i reiterate - we have 3 candidates 0-0 d6 h6. please just a simple vote for which of these 3 you prefer
hogfysshe 01-Dec-12, 18:59	voting for 8. ...h6 went back and forth between 8. ...h6 and 8. ...d6. at the moment, I believe 8. ...h6 is best because it may have a hindering effect on white's mobility (which may interfere with his preferred plan). but I'm not sure this is best and I'd vote to play all three candidates at once if it were legal. hopefully we can find a way to gain some offensive traction before too long. a little confused by a few comments above. Bg5 "Nd5" I don't follow. and I don't see exactly how the main candidate moves increase the chance of keeping our e pawn.
hogfysshe 01-Dec-12, 19:27	oh, and... another possible benefit of 8. ...h6 is that it may prevent our Q from being tied up guarding our N, something our e pawn and captured dsb can no longer do. not saying there isn't a downside to this move. all three candidates have pros and cons from what I can see.
efc8 02-Dec-12, 17:00	New vote game It looks like we are in a sticky situation. White has given up a pawn, controls the center, have two active Bishops and way ahead in development We are a pawn up, traded our better Bishop, left with a non active one, a N that has moved three times and way behind in development. Against a Higher rated player the picture is gloomy. Do you all see it any better? Tell me.
hogfysshe 02-Dec-12, 19:28	there is a good article... in a recent issue of "Chess Life" magazine. It goes in to how top chess players are optimists but that they but that they also worry in a sensible way. I took away that one doesn't want to worry too little or too much and should merge this with a general optimism. Of course, it is the sporting thing to resign when you are convinced your opponent has the game. but since our bishop may soon be active, we have both knights in play, our rook will follow soon, we are up a pawn, and we have several units influencing the center, perhaps the weather will clear. let's see if we can strengthen our position and find some ways to put some limits on him.
the-sigularity 02-Dec-12, 21:55	Vote 8......d6 Since this was my first option, and Pete has told us to decide, I vote 8......d6. I believe it's important to develop our pawn structure, free our B, and protect our K side so our next move can be either 9..........0-0 or 9.........h6, depending on W response.
efc8 02-Dec-12, 22:44	New vote game Well, if we want a fighting chance then we can't allow the Q stuck behind the N
the-sigularity 03-Dec-12, 09:10	NO APPARENT COMMITMENTS We have a some very good points to consider, and of course it is not a good idea to jump into each move we make without taking a good look at the threats, and our defense options to those threats so lets look at the threats, and decide what our best move should be. If we think ion is moving f3, as was suggested, then we can safely move 8........d6. If we do, I think he will move his B to pin our N then we can move 9.....h6 as suggested. If we 0-0 at this point, we would still be faced with the same threat. (The N pin), with the same answer,9........ h6 This is my view of what may happen within the next 1 or 2 moves. I welcome critique and commitment (vote with opinion) for our next move, because I believe there may be some better analysis among us.
hogfysshe 03-Dec-12, 14:54	some things don't have the same effect after... as they do before. sometimes it is better to prevent a piece from occupying a square rather than trying to push it away later. and sometimes the opposite is true (let your opponent advance so you can push him back and develop at the same time). in this case, because the bishop could just back up to h4, there is a big difference in preventing vs pushing away later. as I said, there are things I don't like about playing h6 now. AND I said I wasn't sure it was best. plus, I have little backup from other voters. Ion does not have to play f3 next. now I am a bit gun shy from a recent game where I was menaced by a B on g5. so take my input with a grain. but it is not the same to play h6 later as it is to play it now. playing it now puts limits on that B and keeps our Q free to take up a cause elsewhere. but then there are things I like about d6 as well. sticking with my vote, though.
the-sigularity 03-Dec-12, 18:02	OK hogfysshe because what you have dealt with, I will vote for 8.....h6, and put d6 to the backburner.
bigpeta 04-Dec-12, 10:48	vote count Ok i have 3 votes for h6 1 for d6 and 1 for 0-0 So i will play h6
the-sigularity 04-Dec-12, 10:49	Unanimous Friar has agreed to go with the majority, therefore the vote: 8........h6 is now unanimous, it not?
fr1ar 04-Dec-12, 10:53	I was torn between h6 and d6 lets go with h6
the-sigularity 04-Dec-12, 10:58	The move is now 8.....h6 apparently @friar, we were both in the middle of writing when the vote was executed by Pete.
bigpeta 06-Dec-12, 01:26	Move 9 A bold push by ion Board Position Latest moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 Bxd4 6.Nxd4 Nxd4 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Nc3 h6 9.f4
efc8 06-Dec-12, 08:10	New vote game I will take the lead. I vote for d6 It can cope with fxe......Nxe5 Out of the question is..exf
bigpeta 06-Dec-12, 11:17	why not exf @efc8 can you expand on your 'out of the question is ..exf' would like to know your reasons why you think this
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