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bigpeta 25-Jan-13, 01:22	Ionadowman votegame continuation 01 Board Position Latest moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 Bxd4 6.Nxd4 Nxd4 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Nc3 h6 9.f4 exf4 10.Bxf4 d6 11.Nd5 0-0 12.Bxh6 Ng4 13.Bf4 Nce5 14.Bb3
the-sigularity 25-Jan-13, 05:47	Vote Be6 14.Bb3.....Be6 This move to safe-guard our f7 pawn from the W B then if: 15.Ne3.....Qd7 To protect our B if: 16.NXN....BXN Threatens the W Q
zed2 25-Jan-13, 13:47	What about c6? This would threaten his N and allow a nice path for the Q
the-sigularity 25-Jan-13, 17:39	SOME THOUGHT I had given some thought to: 14.Bb3...........c6 At first...and it appears to be a fairly good move but then: 15.Ne3 will leave us with a weak d6 pawn, which is guarded only by our Q. And if: 15...........NXNe3 16.BXNe3 That would block the our Q check at the b6-g1 diagonal. I COULD NOT FIND AN AGGRESSIVE CONTINUATION AFTER THE ABOVE. On my vote Be6: 14.Bb3.....Be6 This move to safe-guard our f7 pawn from the W B then if: 15.Ne3.....Qd7 To protect our B if: 16.NXN....BXN Threatens the W Q Perhaps we may stand a better chance for a K side attack.
zed2 25-Jan-13, 20:23	@ Stealth-invader Thinking about your objections to c6 but I still prefer it as an option. It allows us to develop an attack on Q side and also starts bringing our pawns into the action as well as opening up eventually on the a file to get our Rook into play. With chess the way I see it is that there have to be trade offs toward getting to the end game and so sometimes you will get weak pawns etc. I hope that makes sense! LOL. I know what I mean anyway
the-sigularity 26-Jan-13, 12:49	@margirl I did write that the c6 move is fairly good, however, Be6 completes the dignitary development, and connects our two R's. Our pawn position at this time seems to be invulnerable to an immediate aggression. Furthermore, our arsenal should be prepared to invade fluently. I do see an advantage to c6, and perhaps it should be our move after Be6, depending on the response we perceive afterwards. Please, if you have time, could you expound a little more on your vote. I do respect the fact that you are a much higher rated player, and maybe we will be better able to see our improvement by c6 before Be6.
zed2 26-Jan-13, 13:26	@ Stealth-invader...If Be6 If Be6 what is to stop him countering with say h3 threatening our N on g4? Moving our pawn to c6 threatens his N as would our B to e6 but he will not want to sacrifice a N for a pawn whereas he might sacrifice a N for a B so the threat from our pawn is more urgent to him. I have found and this is purely personal that I don't like complications on the chess board and like to deal with problems as they come up (or potential problems) and so it is probably a personality thing with me. It is Australia Day (weekend) here and I have a house full of visitors. Yesterday was full on with a carnival at the river etc so I won't be able to add much more to this discussion today. Hope I have made my reasons clear though. Have a good day.
bigpeta 26-Jan-13, 13:26	what if 14. ..Be6 h3!! and you lose the N I will let you work out why. It is quite complex
bigpeta 26-Jan-13, 13:33	looks like MG and i entered our analysis together well seen Jo
hogfysshe 26-Jan-13, 13:58	agree with MG's point about the speed advantage... of 14. ...c6. But had not completely ruled out 14. ...Be6. Re 14. ...Be6, 15. h3, what if the attacked N goes to f6? as in: 14. Bb3 Be6 15. h3 Bxd5 16. exd5 Nf6 is the N safe? even if yes, I don't like his B+B to our N+N. alternately, is there anything in: 14. Bb3 Be6 15. h3 c6 16. hxg4 cxd5 17. exd5 Bxg4 Here, we keep our B which is good. And if there is no flaw, I do like that it stirs things up. But I am not at all committed to any move and 14. ...c6 was my first inclination.
the-sigularity 26-Jan-13, 19:52	Vote Be6 Lets examine this possibility: 14. ... Be6 15. h3 g5 Offering a N for B exchange,,,if the bishop moves away then 16. ....c3. if not: 16. hxg4 gxf4 17. Rxf4 Qg5 or even if 17.NXf4.....Qg5 18. Rf6 Bxg4 W may make this move to maintain pressure at f7 19. Qf1 Nf3+ W Q doubles the pressure 20. Kh1 Qh4# This would be the game, of course this is just a Possibility. Something to think about
hogfysshe 27-Jan-13, 05:41	we could still play your g5 idea after 14. ...c6 not that I necessarily like that idea, ...though you make a good point that we do have a lot of energy pointing at g4. of course, MG makes a good point that 14. ...c6 gives an alternate diagonal or two to our Q (and I'm not sure white's dsb HAS to end up on e3 as you had suggested earlier). those unoccupied diagonals, a7-g1 and a6-f1, and maybe even the currently crowded a8-h1, might be useful to us. I think 14. ...c6 may lead more quickly to greater space and mobility and a stronger influence on the center, all things we need. Still leaning in that direction. Look forward to hearing what friar, steve, efc8 and others think.
the-sigularity 27-Jan-13, 06:05	New Vote Game OK, I will agree with the majority and change my vote to: 14.Bb3........c6 Now if we all agree, I hope we can pawn storm on the Q side, and maybe trap the W B
zed2 27-Jan-13, 22:14	@Pete Thanks Pete
hogfysshe 29-Jan-13, 17:16	voting 14. ...c6 for reasons discussed above.
zed2 29-Jan-13, 20:07	Voting....c6 I'm still sticking with c6
bigpeta 01-Feb-13, 01:41	all agreed so playing c6
the-sigularity 01-Feb-13, 11:34	Deleted by the-sigularity on 01-Feb-13, 21:11.
bigpeta 06-Feb-13, 15:14	Move 15 Board Position Latest moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 Bxd4 6.Nxd4 Nxd4 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Nc3 h6 9.f4 exf4 10.Bxf4 d6 11.Nd5 0-0 12.Bxh6 Ng4 13.Bf4 Nce5 14.Bb3 c6 15.Ne3
the-sigularity 06-Feb-13, 16:10	New Vote Game Vote: 15.............Qh4 15.Ne3......Qh4 This move will bring: 16.h3........Nxe3 (16.h3 to prevent Mate)(16...... NXe3 Q R Fork) 17.Bxe3.....Qxe4 (17.BXe3 to remove the forking N) (17...Qxe4 threatens B with +) 18.Qe1.......d5 (18.Qe1 to protect the   (18......d5 blocks the WB and strengthen our weak p)
the-sigularity 06-Feb-13, 16:26	Mystery Don't know how the yellow face with dark glasses got there instead of the "B" (must be a computer prob.)
zed2 06-Feb-13, 16:52	If Qh4 If we move Qh4 then he can promote h3. I think that there is an open line from b6 which would pin his N to the K ....I prefer this move for the Q.
zed2 06-Feb-13, 17:02	Maybe a3? Our rook is cramped and it may be time to claim more of the board positionally with our pawn.
hogfysshe 06-Feb-13, 18:56	B followed by closing parentheses = emoticon with glasses Put this "B" with this ")" to get this   That's pretty funny stealth. Always protect the emoticon with glasses!!!
bigpeta 07-Feb-13, 01:24	Qh4 does not get h3 as a response. There is no immediate mate threat as h2 and f2 are both protected. he will most likely respond with either Nxg4 or Qxd6. plus the Q is now out of the game on the edge of the board. if you cant see the danger of Qxd6 then follow this 15. ..Qh4 16.Qxd6 Nxe3 17.Bxe3 Ng4 18.Bd4 giving the position below with a barrage of attacks with Q & Bs on the K position also h2 and f2 are still defended So time to rethink troops
the-sigularity 07-Feb-13, 01:33	Thanks hogfysshe I did not know that B followed by ) would result in that face, SO let me see now:  ......"B" ")".......B"").....B")" Nope It does not work, so I will not worry about it. THANKS ANYWAY
zed2 08-Feb-13, 12:30	a5? If we move our Pawn to a5 then he will possibly counter with a4 which would trap his Bishop on the a-d diagonal which we could make serve our purposes forcing a B swap?
the-sigularity 08-Feb-13, 20:01	@Pete Thank you for taking the time to show me (us) where that Q move was a mistake.
zed2 10-Feb-13, 15:12	Any ideas team? Hi guys, Any more ideas?
hogfysshe 10-Feb-13, 21:00	50 hours without power got to get warmed back up. will look at the game soon (tuesday or wednesday). just had a major blizzard here and have been on an arctic expedition in my own house!! feel free to move ahead w/o my vote. apologies for the delay.
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